Adults nationwide eligible for boosters this weekend as CDC gives sign-off
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From everything I have been hearing, that was effectively the case anyway. There was very little checking happening to validate that people requesting boosters were in one of the designated at risk groups.
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I believe California was already handing out boosters to everyone anyway. If the feds didn't do it, sooner or later (some of) the other states probably would have followed.
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There are not enough facepalm emojis and gifs to convey how I feel about how they're still needlessly complicating the messaging with this "should if over 50, may if over 18" nonsense. Just fucking say that everyone should go get a booster at the 6 month mark. There's still people caught up in the mindset from last winter of not wanting to take away doses from "people who need them more" (e.g. "I mostly just stay at home all day, let people who actually have to deal with the public all day have it") even though we now have a glut of vaccine supply, who simply will not go get a booster without an unequivocal statement from the authorities that they should go get the booster. All this is doing is making things worse for everyone by discouraging booster uptake.
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Good, now I can get it from my Rite Aid a block away, instead of driving 50 minutes combined from a pharmacy not asking questions.
Might have to get it Wednessay night for a Thanksgiving "viral shedding" party at my antivax mother's because f that stupid.
I heard from a coworker today that his fiance who got hammered after the second Moderna didn't have a reaction to the booster. Is that anyone else's experience?
Trying to time for worse case 36 hrs feeling like crap but would love if that's not the typical experience.
Might have to get it Wednessay night for a Thanksgiving "viral shedding" party at my antivax mother's because f that stupid.
I heard from a coworker today that his fiance who got hammered after the second Moderna didn't have a reaction to the booster. Is that anyone else's experience?
Trying to time for worse case 36 hrs feeling like crap but would love if that's not the typical experience.
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I'm actually pleasantly surprised that this happened. After hearing public officials complaining that somehow there was no proven benefit to booster shots, I was worried that we'd be stuck having to deal with waning protection from the original shots as time went on.
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My wife and I got ours on Wednesday (two days back) as she's in an essential workers' group, and we had just hit six months since our second doses in May. We both had Pfizer originally, she got Pfizer this time and I got Moderna.
She was maybe a little worse than her Pfizer second dose - a little tired the day after, and a little queasy standing up for a long period of time (i.e. while cooking) - I had almost no reaction to my Pfizer shots, and the Moderna one put me in bed mostly with exhaustion but also chills (especially the night of). Still, it anecdotally didn't seem as bad as what I remember others describing after their second full Moderna shot. I was back to normal about ~30 hours after my shot.
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My only reaction to the booster was some on and off pain where I got the shot. Definitely not like the first or second shot - the second more reaction than the first, but so little compare to Covid. Had Moderna for all shots.
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This is excellent news. The unnecessary complication of vaccine regulation actions and messaging has been enormously unhelpful, confusing, and makes things open to misinformation. They need to understand that things have to be simple and direct and consistent for the public. Some of their advice and guidelines have been accurate but ridiculous.
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I made an appointment and got my Moderna booster a week later at Walgreens, then went shopping a couple days later at Safeway and heard an announcement over their PA system that I could have gotten a booster shot there, no appointment needed. Pretty amazing when a grocery store beats a pharmacy.
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My wife and I got shots just this morning. We made our appointments two weeks ago. She got the booster, I got the "additional dose", which was a bit of a stretch. I wanted us to be ready for Thanksgiving and Christmas, but it's surging here in Michigan now, so I was pretty happy we had our appointments set up.
I got the additional dose to keep future options open, but I'm not really expecting that to be necessary.
I got the additional dose to keep future options open, but I'm not really expecting that to be necessary.
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The only reaction I had from all three Moderna shots were sore arms for a day or so.
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This is great news. I was able to make an appt at a Fry's pharmacy an hour from now! Got 2 Modernas earlier this year, and will get a Pfizer booster, along with a flu shot.
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Yeah, I battled the chills about 8 hrs to 36 hrs afterwards on dose 2 of Moderna. It seemed to abate as long as I was on NSAIDS. Stuck working tomorrow so I guess I'll wait until the holiday weekend just in case.
I've been wanting it badly, 3 people in my department out the last two weeks with covid and too many idiots where I work.
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I know I could have fudged it and gotten a booster already, but I decided to wait until I'm official.
Signed up for my booster this afternoon.
Signed up for my booster this afternoon.
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It's sad that we need this but I'm glad it's available. I would kind of like to see a protein-based vaccine like Novavax pans out as a booster. However It sounds like it's going to be a bit longer before it's available.
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Pfizer was authorized for ages 16+ from the beginning, and the boosters are only for those 18+. How do those aged 16-17 who were vaccinated over 6 months ago get boosters?
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I only semi-fudged -- I signed up as soon as I saw the news, but that was before Walgreens recognized that it was open on their end. So I "lied", but not really.
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Have to admit, I'm still undecided on this one.
I had the original strain back in August of 2020 - it largely wiped me out for about a week, but IME, my experience with H1N1 was worse. With C19 I could still do stuff - the fatigue was considerable, but I could get in a few minutes of activity before needing a rest. When I had H1N1, simply getting out of bed sapped me for the day. (Note: I'm not comparing the viruses beyond the amount of fatigue they created in me).
I got vaccinated (Moderna) in April/May of this year, and [almost certainly] contracted a case of Delta over the summer. I had a couple of weeks where I was just wiped out and tired, but didn't really piece it together until the tail end of it - however the symptoms were the same as I'd experienced the previous August, just at perhaps 1/10 the intensity.
So I've had both variants and have been vaccinated, and as I understand it the boosters are "more of the same", so I'm not quite sure what it'd accomplish with respect to any new variants coming down the pike.
I haven't ruled it out, but it's not exactly a priority at the moment. As it is, with things as busy as they have been for me lately, I somehow let my annual Flu shot slip and didn't manage to get that until today. Normally I'd have had that 4-6 weeks ago.
I had the original strain back in August of 2020 - it largely wiped me out for about a week, but IME, my experience with H1N1 was worse. With C19 I could still do stuff - the fatigue was considerable, but I could get in a few minutes of activity before needing a rest. When I had H1N1, simply getting out of bed sapped me for the day. (Note: I'm not comparing the viruses beyond the amount of fatigue they created in me).
I got vaccinated (Moderna) in April/May of this year, and [almost certainly] contracted a case of Delta over the summer. I had a couple of weeks where I was just wiped out and tired, but didn't really piece it together until the tail end of it - however the symptoms were the same as I'd experienced the previous August, just at perhaps 1/10 the intensity.
So I've had both variants and have been vaccinated, and as I understand it the boosters are "more of the same", so I'm not quite sure what it'd accomplish with respect to any new variants coming down the pike.
I haven't ruled it out, but it's not exactly a priority at the moment. As it is, with things as busy as they have been for me lately, I somehow let my annual Flu shot slip and didn't manage to get that until today. Normally I'd have had that 4-6 weeks ago.
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To add to this:
In spring 2021, it became clear that we were going to progress from "medical worker/over 65 only" to "if you're in a 'high risk' group" to "lol at how we define 'high risk' group" to "screw it, everybody over 18" fairly rapidly.
Was anything learned from this experience? Apparently not.
I got my booster a few weeks ago--healthy but a little pudgy (a 5k is a decent run for me), in a low-risk age group, physically in the office but not working in an ICU ward or something. I was confident that the rollout was going to be haphazard and with an endpoint everybody already knew ahead of time, and probably a matter of a meaningless couple of weeks rather than meaningful months. Of course, I wasn't even asked to affirmatively declare my eligibility; I just signed up, got my shot, and that was that.
Great comms work, everyone.
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I got the Moderna initial and J&J boost the first Moderna slight sore arm. Second Moderna real sore and lethargic. J&J though ...it turned me into newt. ....I got better.
Really though. Just another sore arm. Friend of one of my wife's friends husband just died of it after 3 weeks in ICU. GQP moron died denying it was Covid.
Really though. Just another sore arm. Friend of one of my wife's friends husband just died of it after 3 weeks in ICU. GQP moron died denying it was Covid.
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I need to ping the nurse at work and see if they'll be administering boosters.
They didn't do the initial vaccinations, which makes sense because almost no-one was in the building anyway. But now, being able to just wander by the clinic for a booster would be really convenient.
They didn't do the initial vaccinations, which makes sense because almost no-one was in the building anyway. But now, being able to just wander by the clinic for a booster would be really convenient.
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Tried to walk-in to the pharmacy to get a booster today since NYC had already recommended making them available to all adults over 18 but they would give out boosters by appointment and the website doesn't allow you to make one unless you lie about your health conditions.
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There seems to be some early evidence that the third shot doesn't just reset immunity back to where it was after two shots, but actually provides a stronger and possibly longer-lasting immune response than the first two shots. Too early to say for certain, though.
Dr Jeffrey Duchin (infectious disease researcher at the University of Washington, and public health officer in Seattle) comments that these vaccines might have been developed as a 3-dose series from the start, if we hadn't needed to roll out the initial doses so urgently.
Dr Jeffrey Duchin (infectious disease researcher at the University of Washington, and public health officer in Seattle) comments that these vaccines might have been developed as a 3-dose series from the start, if we hadn't needed to roll out the initial doses so urgently.
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This should have happened a bit ago. The supply has been there for a while and the administration is smoking substances if they were waiting for a sudden about turn from the anti vaxxers
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So just to give the current increase in cases some context: there's a distinct increase in my state, and 80% of those new cases reported are among the unvaccinated.
Get vaccinated.
Get vaccinated.
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chaos215bar2
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Obviously it’s impossible to draw any certain conclusions without trials, but this wouldn’t be at all surprising.
That’s one of the reasons I’ve never quite been comfortable considering myself “safe” after the initial two doses. Sure, we had great efficacy data for the first few months, but after that things were really an unknown. With the booster, I’m less worried. It’s still possible that protection wanes and we’ll need to figure out a regular dosing schedule (just like the flu), but the protection you’ll get heading into the winter with a booster should be much more comparable to what you’d get from a yearly dose, if that ends up being the norm, than what you’d get from just the first one- or two-dose series.
This is just speculation, but I could easily imagine that the norm eventually ends up being a two dose series in the fall (possibly at a lower dose than the initial rounds, and possibly spread further apart) for anyone who hasn’t received any dose previously, or just one right along side the flu shot if you have.
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The timing couldn't be more perfect since I've just passed the six-month threshold a few days ago. 
Edit: Harumph. So I've been looking at a number of different pharmacies, and there seem to be none with available appointments anywhere. *grumble grumble*
Edit edit: Finally found a Rite Aid with some open spots, although not until the end of Dec. Better than nothing I suppose.
Edit: Harumph. So I've been looking at a number of different pharmacies, and there seem to be none with available appointments anywhere. *grumble grumble*
Edit edit: Finally found a Rite Aid with some open spots, although not until the end of Dec. Better than nothing I suppose.
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The J&J uses a different type of vaccine prep than the mRNA types. Due to those differences the immune system will probably mount a different response. That plus the British studies of heterologous approaches showed it likely to be as effective if not better. This was born out in recent US studies showing that the 2 best approaches were 3 Moderna or 2 Moderna plus J&J.
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The main NIH study shows that boosting with J&J is by far the worst option.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 1.full.pdf
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The timing couldn't be more perfect since I've just passed the six-month threshold a few days ago.
Edit: Harumph. So I've been looking at a number of different pharmacies, and there seem to be none with available appointments anywhere. *grumble grumble*
Edit edit: Finally found a Rite Aid with some open spots, although not until the end of Dec. Better than nothing I suppose.
Try a Walmart with a Pharmacy. They should all have walk in appointments.
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As Tedros Adhanom goes looking for a pile of sand to pound...
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5 ... s-wait-for
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5 ... s-wait-for
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I am not sure we have published data on “longer lasting”. We do have very solid evidence it provides much higher protection than the initial vaccination series. For longer lasting, even just supposing antibodies and protection wane as quickly, half life is in the 30-50 day range. And antibody levels seem to jump about 7 fold higher.
So at 6 months from your 2 shot should have about the same level of protection as around 9-12 months from a booster. Assuming antibodies and other protection decay as quickly as after the original vaccination. And it may decay more slowly. We likely need more data/time to show one way or another.
And who knows what a 4th shot may hold. I’ve got some hope at least annual boosters will provide high levels of protection. And maybe we will even be able to do 2-3 years between shots at some point.
I could see day 0 first shot, 3-4 weeks later second shot, 6 months later 3rd shot, 12 months later 4th shot and then never again
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Yep. Figured that was coming, and my GP told me the same a month or so again. My wife signed up for a booster at CVS a week ago; they didn't ask whether she was at a high risk for infection, or had an underlying condition. Easy. I followed suit a couple of days later, and I'll be boosted on Monday. Winter is coming up here in the Northeast, and we're in the office part time, and we'll be indoors a lot more, and plenty of incautious folks are around who either don't understand or don't wanna. Loosening up on boosters makes perfect sense, so long as the supply is there.
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The weird thing about all the problems managing vaccines is the giant stack of hoops that everyone has to go through to get one. In the beginning, it was a reverse pyramid based on first job, then age, then condition/age, then adults only, then only with an appointment online, then, only after a 5 month delay, walk in anytime, then 6. mo. later only a booster of the same kind as before, or any booster if you got unlucky the first time and had J&J, then mix and match for at risk, then only after 3 states revolted and offered boosters to anyone, they finally decide to offer boosters for anyone of any type (except J&J, which is apparently not very useful).
Combine this with the:
"Vaccines are free for everyone" message, but "Please provide your insurance card to cover costs".
"No ID, citizenship, etc. is required for vaccination, but "You can't not tell us your name & birthdate, nor deny us from opening a chart on you and reporting your vaccination to the government".
Wouldn't it simply be more effective to just give anyone who wants a vaccine a shot, whenever they want?
Do we think that people are going to stand in line every month and get an unnecessary shot?
Sure, some will, but that's ok, they are likely already afraid, so if it doesn't hurt them, and helps them deal... win?
For others, there is the real problem of simply finding a quick vaccine. Local governments have mostly stopped their walk in clinics at fairgrounds, and chain pharmacies won't even engage without an insurance card, full I.D., and a 3 page paper form about history, prior vaccines, etc.
The goal should be a 24x7 walk-in storefront, where you simply sit in a chair, tell the clinician which vaccine you want (no forms, no ID, no history), roll up your sleeve, get the shot, walk to the waiting room for a free donut and coffee, and after 17 total minutes invested, walk out the door, ready to help save the world from f'in C19.
Combine this with the:
"Vaccines are free for everyone" message, but "Please provide your insurance card to cover costs".
"No ID, citizenship, etc. is required for vaccination, but "You can't not tell us your name & birthdate, nor deny us from opening a chart on you and reporting your vaccination to the government".
Wouldn't it simply be more effective to just give anyone who wants a vaccine a shot, whenever they want?
Do we think that people are going to stand in line every month and get an unnecessary shot?
Sure, some will, but that's ok, they are likely already afraid, so if it doesn't hurt them, and helps them deal... win?
For others, there is the real problem of simply finding a quick vaccine. Local governments have mostly stopped their walk in clinics at fairgrounds, and chain pharmacies won't even engage without an insurance card, full I.D., and a 3 page paper form about history, prior vaccines, etc.
The goal should be a 24x7 walk-in storefront, where you simply sit in a chair, tell the clinician which vaccine you want (no forms, no ID, no history), roll up your sleeve, get the shot, walk to the waiting room for a free donut and coffee, and after 17 total minutes invested, walk out the door, ready to help save the world from f'in C19.
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Did the same this last week. Our state was already grumbling about opening it up for all adults despite what the CDC/FDA said so I figured I'd get out ahead of the rush.
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