"You need a person," Kagan said, "so, who's your person?" Hawley named two anti-abortion doctors she claimed were directly harmed, Christina Francis and Ingrid Skop. But Kagan disagreed, saying there were no examples in their affidavits of them being forced to provide care over their objections. "There's just nothing that you have there... At the very least, to be able to say, 'Well, this happened to them in the past.' I don't think you have it for either one of those doctors," she said.