A Project Hail Mary final trailer? Yes please
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I would argue that fantasy needs to be more internally consistent that SF as you are generally creating a whole new world, not just slightly changing our existing one.
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Counterpoint: If it's internally consistent without changing the rules, you can argue that it's Science Fiction.
There's plenty of science fiction that creates entirely new worlds. Isaac Asimov's Nightfall and Arthur C. Clarke's The City and the Stars are just two examples of thousands.
Take Raymond E. Feist's Midmekia books, a fine example of fantasy, and very enjoyable. However, there are multiple instances where magic use changes events for plot reasons. It just "happens". There is no thought given to the actual mechanics. Or take The Lord of the Rings. How exactly does Gandalf return?
It's not all cut and dried, of course. Patrick Rothfuss's The Kingkiller Chronicle has the protagonist go to school to learn the mechanics of magic.
In the end, I just like a good story, and there are multiple ways of delivering it. I enjoy Mr. Feist's works without needing him to be internally consistent, and I enjoy Mr. Weir's novels in large part because he is internally consistent.
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Yeah, it was the relationship between Grace and Rocky that really made the book for me. The relationship between Grace and Stratt less so - I really enjoyed both The Martian and Project Hail Mary but I thought the stuff happening/that happened back on Earth was the weakest part of both books.
Project Hail Mary also had (for me) a slightly uneasy seam between Grace sciencing the shit out of things, and the Astrophage, where Grace's reasoning led to an 'explanation' for Astrophage biology that didn't really work for me. Also Xenonite - for me it would have been OK with an unspoken hyphen, aka xeno-nite or alien material but, as I recall it was actually based on xenon, which set my chemist's teeth on edge a bit.
But the relationship between Rocky and Grace was more than enough to make up for the above, and I'm looking forward to the film.
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I could only read about half an hour of the novel. The guy wakes up in unknown place, and the first thing is NOT to open the hatch and investigate the place but instead drop pencil and calculat complex gravity equations to see if he is in a massive underground centrifuge
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I have no particular interest in the movie, but I’ll be getting this set.
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RE: The Kingkiller Chronicle (and movie adaptation?)
I've been waiting since November of 2011 for the third installment to conclude the arc.
Has Mr. Rothfuss written himself in a corner, or is there still an alleged hold-out for a movie deal?
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Somewhere in the Ninth Circle of Hell... no wait, Nirvana, dammit where was it again? Anyway, somewhere beyond this mortal realm is the Library of Unfinished Series, choose poorly in this life and you may get to visit and be forced to read them.
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No clue. Doors of Stone hasn’t quite been consigned to the same ‘huh that finally came out - might even read it one day’ pile that Winds of Winter has been gathering dust on, but it’s not far away.
I’m not even bitter - I enjoyed both series as they stand - it would be nice if they both got wrapped up some day, but if they don’t, I’ll be mildly disappointed at most.
At least it wouldn’t take too long to re-read both of the Kingkiller books to remind myself of the story before jumping into Doors of Stone if and when it comes out. Not sure I could be bothered slogging though Ice and Fire again now.
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I think you missed a goldent opportunity with the title. It should have said:
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A Project Hail Mary final trailer? Hail Yes!
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I really liked the book, therefore I don't mind any potential spoilers but it seems that the trailers reveal any and all storypoint from the book?
Maybe I'm getting old and this is my yelling at the cloud moment haha.
Maybe I'm getting old and this is my yelling at the cloud moment haha.
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From a marketing perspective you really have no choice but to show Rocky. A movie that seems like too much of a straight rehash of The Martian (but in spaaaace) but with a leading actor audiences have proven more ambivalent to would be DOA at the box office.
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I find it interesting how many people seem to dislike books where the protagonist isn't dumb and screwing things up all the time. The majority of the science that Ryland does in Project Hail Mary is high school level or less. I mean he starts off doing grade school level experiments to determine his local gravity. The most over-competent bit is probably building the translation program in such a short timeframe, which is mostly necessary to keep the plot moving along.
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He's a microbiologist with a broad smattering of random physics in his head from his job (which is what those early scenes are demonstrating). Once he remembers who he is even he is like "wait why am I on this mission?"
the original crew by themselves would probably have knocked out the solution in a month. They'd have to figure out a way to get the sample from the atmosphere besides the incredible brute force approach Rocky and Grace take. But the book acknowledges that Grace is the 3rd string, and only by happenstance.
Calling him "dumb" and "screwing things up all the time" is odd though. A large chunk of the book is procedural science stuff, which he's perfectly competent at.
Calling him "dumb" and "screwing things up all the time" is odd though. A large chunk of the book is procedural science stuff, which he's perfectly competent at.
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The first time I noticed this was back in the 80s. The trailer for Dirty Rotten Scoundrels shows Steve Martin pushing an old lady into a lake, which never happens in the movie.
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I preferred "The Martian". This book just fell flat for me. There were way too many "I'm gonna die" moments, and it felt too much like a "Deus Ex Machina" for me. The sheer unlikelihood of the two expeditions going to the same place at the same time was the worst bit.
I'll probably see the movie, but not going to go to a theatre.
I'll probably see the movie, but not going to go to a theatre.
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Two races had the same problem at roughly the same time, and the solution is in only one system. And don't forget: They didn't exactly arrive on the same day. Rocky had been in-system for over 45 Earth years by the time the Hail Mary arrives
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Please don't fuck this up. Thanks.
(The article outlines some good reasons why they won't but you never know until you know).
(The article outlines some good reasons why they won't but you never know until you know).
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Not particularly a fan of Gosling, but looks like it could be a mildly decent 'Marvel/Disney' eye candy like flick... to rent
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Oh, I like the voice they landed on for Rocky! It sounds like they tried to keep it pretty close to Ray Porter's rendition.
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Well, the "translation" program he wrote was more like a 1-1 map of alien sound to English word. It was probably missing all but the simplest bits of grammar and whatnot.
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Rocky has perfect memory so he just uses English grammar so Grace doesn't need to know any alien grammar. Ending questions with "question" is a bit of Eridian grammar Rocky can't drop.
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I will be forever grateful I read the book long before any of those spoiler filled movie trailers hit the screen. If you go into it knowing nothing, there are constant surprises and twists. After seeing nearly the entire movie summarized in the most recent trailer, I feel as if I've already seen most of the movie.
And yes, go read the book! Well worth the time.
And yes, go read the book! Well worth the time.
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I think you misread my post. I was commenting on the "competence porn" complainers that always pop up in these threads.
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I wonder what the title is going to be in other countries?
"Project Hail Mary" is really hard to translate, being both a reference to a Catholic Church prayer and an American Football play/term.
As an example in spanish "Proyecto Ave María" doesn't have quite the same punch and implied connotations (that would be the literal translation).
"Project Hail Mary" is really hard to translate, being both a reference to a Catholic Church prayer and an American Football play/term.
As an example in spanish "Proyecto Ave María" doesn't have quite the same punch and implied connotations (that would be the literal translation).
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It really isn’t.
Screen goes dark. Teletype-text appears:
“Hail Mary: a high-stakes, low-probability of success move”
and I’m sure there are better but equally pithy explanations.
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He tries to open the hatch first thing but can't. When he falls is when he realizes the gravity isn't right.
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In my headcannon
The woman in charge of the project always intended for Grace to go, and the accident that put him on the mission was either faked or not an accident.
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One of the best scenes from "Dirty Rotten Scoundrels" was only in the trailer. And that's going back a few years.
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I mentioned it elsewhere but you see a large or volumetric display in a few trailer shots showing a cityscape on the ship.
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Matt over at bookpilled hated it as well, basically called it "YA with swearing".
View: https://youtu.be/ojTV8wQ6BxI?si=shXwkXBot8UmaVmt
Project Hail Mary commentary at the 15:00 mark.
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And they’re entitled to their opinion, of course.
Personally I loved it. It was enough like ‘The Martian’ (“here’s a problem, how do I solve it and live?”) but with a neat buddy-aspect to it. More fantastical, but I don’t read these things thinking they’re documentaries.
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I'm cautiously optimistic. As someone who listened to Bob's excellent performance of The Martian audiobook many times before the movie came out, I felt strongly that what was made into a movie should have been a miniseries of 4 to 6 episodes. Yes, it hit most of the big plot beats, but everything had to be rushed along due to the sheer length of Mark's time on Mars to the point that some important plot beats (eg,
) were lost while others that depended on them (
) were left in, it got a bit messy.... PHM also covers a lengthy amount of time, with a large amount of it happening in the past relative to the main characters POV, and again I'm expecting to again wish the book had been adapted to a format longer than a single movie. Certainly plenty of modern TV plays out like a very long movie (see: Severance, Rings of Power, Scavengers Reign, etc), so there's no reason something like Project Hail Mary couldn't have been a limited run TV production rather than a movie.
the Pathfinder killing drill
the Space Pirate joke
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