A history of the Amiga, part 12: Red vs. Blue

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"failed to renew the copyrights"

Copyrights cannot and need not be renewed. There was such a thing in the US before it joined the Berne Convention (long before Amiga existed).

The full sentence from the article:
"Bill McEwen continued the pretense of owning Amiga until 2016 when he failed to renew the copyrights on the Amiga name."

This should obviously be "renew the trademarks on the Amiga name." Trademarks need to be renewed, and is what would apply to a company name.

The US trademark expired April 2017, and several companies are trying to lay claim to it now, like Cloanto and Hyperion.
http://www.generationamiga.com/2017/04/ ... trademark/
http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-201 ... 19-EN.html
 
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"soft realtime scheduling" is not a well-defined term with any specific meaning
You can find some detail on its workings in the Be Developer's Guide.

Windows at the time was NT 4. Which was fully reentrant.
"At the time" was October 1995. NT 4.0 was released in July 1996.

(typically about 5-10 lines, depending on coding style).
It takes zero lines in BeOS.

I'm not talking about Windows 95. I'm talking about NT 4 and (during the later portion of BeOS's life) Windows 2000.
So you're saying that something that was released later is better? STOP THE PRESSES!
 
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That was not the motherboard I had access to incidentally, and the one I had one supported 2 DIMMs and was used as a Linux box (though I don't know for what precisely as it was not in use when I got it)
I think this is the same mobo I had. I used it for side-by-side Windows and OS4.2. I recall at one point, while running NS, waiting for a compile to finish. I didn't even notice I was doing it... but on the Mac or Win, you either had to or wanted to wait because the MT performance was terrible. Once I realized what I was doing, I switched into OmniWeb and poked about on SW while the machine chugged away as if nothing was happening. I had to unlearn a lot of behaviours.
 
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"failed to renew the copyrights"

Copyrights cannot and need not be renewed. There was such a thing in the US before it joined the Berne Convention (long before Amiga existed).

The full sentence from the article:
"Bill McEwen continued the pretense of owning Amiga until 2016 when he failed to renew the copyrights on the Amiga name."

This should obviously be "renew the trademarks on the Amiga name." Trademarks need to be renewed, and is what would apply to a company name.

The US trademark expired April 2017, and several companies are trying to lay claim to it now, like Cloanto and Hyperion.
http://www.generationamiga.com/2017/04/ ... trademark/
http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-201 ... 19-EN.html

It blows my mind that companies are still "fighting" over the trademark after all these years. A trademark which probably hasn't had any real value or meaning to the general public for at least the last 20-25 years. Both Cloanto and Hyperion must realize that it's better for both companies if they come to some sort of agreement in order to not completely alienate the last few Amiga enthusiasts on the planet.

They aren't even competing directly - Cloanto make the Amiga Forever emulation package, while Hyperion develop AmigaOS 4 for PPC machines. They have even cooperated in the past - Amiga Forever includes instructions on how to install AmigaOS 4.1 under emulation, and Hyperion made AmigaOS 4 available as a digital download in direct response (http://www.hyperion-entertainment.biz/i ... l-download). Then suddenly these hyenas turn around and start attacking each other. Just unbelievable.
 
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That was not the motherboard I had access to incidentally, and the one I had one supported 2 DIMMs and was used as a Linux box (though I don't know for what precisely as it was not in use when I got it)
I think this is the same mobo I had. I used it for side-by-side Windows and OS4.2. I recall at one point, while running NS, waiting for a compile to finish. I didn't even notice I was doing it... but on the Mac or Win, you either had to or wanted to wait because the MT performance was terrible. Once I realized what I was doing, I switched into OmniWeb and poked about on SW while the machine chugged away as if nothing was happening. I had to unlearn a lot of behaviours.

Just for kicks I also tried OS/2 Max on it. Didn't care for it at all.
 
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You can find some detail on its workings in the Be Developer's Guide.
Nah. If you're gonna make claims about its scheduler, you need to defend them; "go hunt down some long out of print book" is not a reasonable position.

"At the time" was October 1995. NT 4.0 was released in July 1996.
BeOS's first stable release wasn't until March 1998. This was (I think) also the first x86 release. The October 1995 release was a developer preview, and only ran on the AT&T Hobbit.

It takes zero lines in BeOS.
That's not actually true, because even in BeOS you need to write lines of code to actually create a new window.

So you're saying that something that was released later is better? STOP THE PRESSES!
I'm pretty sure that July 1996 is before March 1998.
 
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The Amiga should have been fitted with a cartridge port as it was the original intention of the Amiga company. Then you have instant loading and just use a PC floppy for files. And in '87 when the 500 came out PCMIA cards were available (they were used on the Atari Portfolio) and you could have ditched the floppy entirely.

But that spamhead from Phillips (who stuffed up the TED project as well) insisted on having a disk based machine. The FDD was a royal pita and caused 99% of the meditations. And because of the limitations of AmigaDOS hard drives were not simple to attach.

What do you mean amigados limitations prevent HDs ?

Many amigas such as the 600/1200/3000 etc all had hds. Cost not the OS was the reason wjhy they werent on the popular 500.
 
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The Amiga should have been fitted with a cartridge port as it was the original intention of the Amiga company. Then you have instant loading and just use a PC floppy for files. And in '87 when the 500 came out PCMIA cards were available (they were used on the Atari Portfolio) and you could have ditched the floppy entirely.

But that spamhead from Phillips (who stuffed up the TED project as well) insisted on having a disk based machine. The FDD was a royal pita and caused 99% of the meditations. And because of the limitations of AmigaDOS hard drives were not simple to attach.

What do you mean amigados limitations prevent HDs ?

Many amigas such as the 600/1200/3000 etc all had hds. Cost not the OS was the reason wjhy they werent on the popular 500.

see how those two things are different?
he is still wrong, but he never said prevent.
 
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The Amiga should have been fitted with a cartridge port as it was the original intention of the Amiga company. Then you have instant loading and just use a PC floppy for files. And in '87 when the 500 came out PCMIA cards were available (they were used on the Atari Portfolio) and you could have ditched the floppy entirely.

But that spamhead from Phillips (who stuffed up the TED project as well) insisted on having a disk based machine. The FDD was a royal pita and caused 99% of the meditations. And because of the limitations of AmigaDOS hard drives were not simple to attach.

What do you mean amigados limitations prevent HDs ?

Many amigas such as the 600/1200/3000 etc all had hds. Cost not the OS was the reason wjhy they werent on the popular 500.

On the A500, 1000 and 2000, you needed to add an HDD controller since there wasn't one onboard. The A590 module (which I owned) included not only a hard drive, but also the actual SCSI controller. However it was always simple to attach and configure, even on Workbench 1.x (I believe my A500+ ran v1.3).

The A3000 included a SCSI controller, while the A600, 1200 and 4000 had IDE. I had a 1 GB IDE drive in my A1200. On AmigaOS 2.x and later, it was extremely simple to configure an HDD. It worked pretty much the same as modern-day Windows. First you ran HD Toolbox to create the partition(s) and device names (similar to drive letters on Windows) from a GUI similar to GParted, and write the partition table and RDB (similar to MBR on PC). Then you selected the partition on the desktop and chose "Format" from the menu at the top.
 
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The Amiga should have been fitted with a cartridge port as it was the original intention of the Amiga company. Then you have instant loading and just use a PC floppy for files. And in '87 when the 500 came out PCMIA cards were available (they were used on the Atari Portfolio) and you could have ditched the floppy entirely.

But that spamhead from Phillips (who stuffed up the TED project as well) insisted on having a disk based machine. The FDD was a royal pita and caused 99% of the meditations. And because of the limitations of AmigaDOS hard drives were not simple to attach.

What do you mean amigados limitations prevent HDs ?

Many amigas such as the 600/1200/3000 etc all had hds. Cost not the OS was the reason wjhy they werent on the popular 500.

On the A500, 1000 and 2000, you needed to add an HDD controller since there wasn't one onboard. The A590 module (which I owned) included not only a hard drive, but also the actual SCSI controller. However it was always simple to attach and configure, even on Workbench 1.x (I believe my A500+ ran v1.3).

The A3000 included a SCSI controller, while the A600, 1200 and 4000 had IDE. I had a 1 GB IDE drive in my A1200. On AmigaOS 2.x and later, it was extremely simple to configure an HDD. It worked pretty much the same as modern-day Windows. First you ran HD Toolbox to create the partition(s) and device names (similar to drive letters on Windows) from a GUI similar to GParted, and write the partition table and RDB (similar to MBR on PC). Then you selected the partition on the desktop and chose "Format" from the menu at the top.

The Original IBM PC didn't have a hard drive controller either. You had a cassette port for loading and saving in addition to a floppy drive... two in fact. It wasn't until the IBM PC/XT (1987) that had an MFM Hard drive controller as an add-in card... Built-in hard drive controllers didn't come till much later.
 
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The Amiga should have been fitted with a cartridge port as it was the original intention of the Amiga company. Then you have instant loading and just use a PC floppy for files. And in '87 when the 500 came out PCMIA cards were available (they were used on the Atari Portfolio) and you could have ditched the floppy entirely.

But that spamhead from Phillips (who stuffed up the TED project as well) insisted on having a disk based machine. The FDD was a royal pita and caused 99% of the meditations. And because of the limitations of AmigaDOS hard drives were not simple to attach.

What do you mean amigados limitations prevent HDs ?

Many amigas such as the 600/1200/3000 etc all had hds. Cost not the OS was the reason wjhy they werent on the popular 500.

On the A500, 1000 and 2000, you needed to add an HDD controller since there wasn't one onboard. The A590 module (which I owned) included not only a hard drive, but also the actual SCSI controller. However it was always simple to attach and configure, even on Workbench 1.x (I believe my A500+ ran v1.3).

The A3000 included a SCSI controller, while the A600, 1200 and 4000 had IDE. I had a 1 GB IDE drive in my A1200. On AmigaOS 2.x and later, it was extremely simple to configure an HDD. It worked pretty much the same as modern-day Windows. First you ran HD Toolbox to create the partition(s) and device names (similar to drive letters on Windows) from a GUI similar to GParted, and write the partition table and RDB (similar to MBR on PC). Then you selected the partition on the desktop and chose "Format" from the menu at the top.

The Original IBM PC didn't have a hard drive controller either. You had a cassette port for loading and saving in addition to a floppy drive... two in fact. It wasn't until the IBM PC/XT (1987) that had an MFM Hard drive controller as an add-in card... Built-in hard drive controllers didn't come till much later.

The IBM PC/XT came out in 1983, not 1987. It was actually discontinued in 1987.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Personal_Computer_XT
 
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The Amiga should have been fitted with a cartridge port as it was the original intention of the Amiga company. Then you have instant loading and just use a PC floppy for files. And in '87 when the 500 came out PCMIA cards were available (they were used on the Atari Portfolio) and you could have ditched the floppy entirely.

But that spamhead from Phillips (who stuffed up the TED project as well) insisted on having a disk based machine. The FDD was a royal pita and caused 99% of the meditations. And because of the limitations of AmigaDOS hard drives were not simple to attach.

What do you mean amigados limitations prevent HDs ?

Many amigas such as the 600/1200/3000 etc all had hds. Cost not the OS was the reason wjhy they werent on the popular 500.

On the A500, 1000 and 2000, you needed to add an HDD controller since there wasn't one onboard. The A590 module (which I owned) included not only a hard drive, but also the actual SCSI controller. However it was always simple to attach and configure, even on Workbench 1.x (I believe my A500+ ran v1.3).

The A3000 included a SCSI controller, while the A600, 1200 and 4000 had IDE. I had a 1 GB IDE drive in my A1200. On AmigaOS 2.x and later, it was extremely simple to configure an HDD. It worked pretty much the same as modern-day Windows. First you ran HD Toolbox to create the partition(s) and device names (similar to drive letters on Windows) from a GUI similar to GParted, and write the partition table and RDB (similar to MBR on PC). Then you selected the partition on the desktop and chose "Format" from the menu at the top.

The Original IBM PC didn't have a hard drive controller either. You had a cassette port for loading and saving in addition to a floppy drive... two in fact. It wasn't until the IBM PC/XT (1987) that had an MFM Hard drive controller as an add-in card... Built-in hard drive controllers didn't come till much later.

The IBM PC/XT came out in 1983, not 1987. It was actually discontinued in 1987.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Personal_Computer_XT


oh that's right... see? that's what happens when you get to be an old fart... memory goes. :)
 
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didn't get enough downvotes on the first run huh?
oh and irony much?

Even the logorrheic Ars writer has run out of things to say about Amiga. Never has so much been written about so little. As a sales tech at an original Amiga dealership, even I ran out of things to say about it after I said, "It was a piece of crap."

I am active in the retrocomputing world and basically there is nothing collectible that was made after about 1978. The SOL-20 is widely considered the last collectible microcomputer. I own one, I built it from a kit myself. My retrocomputing buddies keep recommending I sell it before the market for it dies. I mean that literally. The only people who care about retrocomputers are the guys that owned one, or wanted to own one and couldn't afford it. And those guys are all dying of old age so the market is shrinking. There are no new SOL collectors, just as there are no new people with interest in the Amiga.

It will take some time for the Amiga religious zealots to die off since they are younger than the real retrocomputer demographic group. But the Amiga-heads will go kicking and screaming about their toys, until the very end.
 
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didn't get enough downvotes on the first run huh?
oh and irony much?

Even the logorrheic Ars writer has run out of things to say about Amiga. Never has so much been written about so little. As a sales tech at an original Amiga dealership, even I ran out of things to say about it after I said, "It was a piece of crap."

I am active in the retrocomputing world and basically there is nothing collectible that was made after about 1978. The SOL-20 is widely considered the last collectible microcomputer. I own one, I built it from a kit myself. My retrocomputing buddies keep recommending I sell it before the market for it dies. I mean that literally. The only people who care about retrocomputers are the guys that owned one, or wanted to own one and couldn't afford it. And those guys are all dying of old age so the market is shrinking. There are no new SOL collectors, just as there are no new people with interest in the Amiga.

It will take some time for the Amiga religious zealots to die off since they are younger than the real retrocomputer demographic group. But the Amiga-heads will go kicking and screaming about their toys, until the very end.

I think it's so funny that you honestly don't see the irony in your posts... There is so much irony in fact, I could start the steel industry back up in the USA tomorrow. Instead, I'll just say this:

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Totally serious. Unlike anyone else in this entire discussion, I have been dealing with insane Amiga zealots since Day 1 of the machine and and even BEFORE it shipped.

You know, we had one tech who was intensely devoted to the Amiga, even though we didn't sell them anymore. He used to proselytize the damn thing to everyone, even the customers who had no interest because they were just there to have their PCs and Macs repaired. Finally the manager told him that if he likes Amigas so much, he should go find a shop that still sold them, because he no longer worked here anymore. I LOLed.

THIS is the untold story of the Amiga. I am not surprised the Ars writer overlooked these antisocial aspects of the Amigaheads in his overly lengthy saga.
 
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Totally serious. Unlike anyone else in this entire discussion, I have been dealing with insane Amiga zealots since Day 1 of the machine and and even BEFORE it shipped.

You know, we had one tech who was intensely devoted to the Amiga, even though we didn't sell them anymore. He used to proselytize the damn thing to everyone, even the customers who had no interest because they were just there to have their PCs and Macs repaired. Finally the manager told him that if he likes Amigas so much, he should go find a shop that still sold them, because he no longer worked here anymore. I LOLed.

THIS is the untold story of the Amiga. I am not surprised the Ars writer overlooked these antisocial aspects of the Amigaheads in his overly lengthy saga.

I don't think that's about Amiga at all, but more like human nature. For comparative reference look at the Sinclair, Commodore 64, or the BBC Micro communities... nothing different.
In all fairness however, innovations on those particular systems (yes, including the Amiga) took place in a time when you got very little for alot of $. My first "PC" was a Timex/Sinclair 1000 and that was given to me by a friend as our family simply didn't have the resources to buy a better system. That is the system I learned BASIC on as well as ML. That taught me valuable lessons in memory management and programming efficiency as well as how important clock cycles are.
 
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Some years ago (like 10-12 years) I read one or two articles about the then current state of Amiga development. I'm pretty sure a Hyperion representative mentioned AmigaOS as having a future in embedded applications such as set-top boxes and more. I also think it was mentioned that this market was being actively pursued by Hyperion in the form of partnerships with hardware system manufacturers.
I cannot remember more details, unfortunately, but over the years this stuck in my head. And several times I have tried to search the web for any indications that this was actually happening, i.e. AmigaOS running on embedded systems used in various applications. I never found anything.

Does anyone, possibly Jeremy, know of such systems, partnerships or applications? Or did it just never happen? It could have been a nice source of income for the continued development, and I have not been able to fathom how Hyperion have kept up development for so many years on an OS which costs $30 to download. I admittedly don't know the sales figures, but I'd be surprised if it exceeds the low thousands.

And, thanks to you Jeremy for this long and highly interesting series of articles.

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Thanks for the kind words CMunk!

I know that there was briefly supposed to be an "Industrial" model of the Micro AmigaOne from Eyetech-- I almost held out for that one instead of the regular Micro I ended up buying, but it never came out. I know that on the other side of the red-blue divide, Genesi did (and still does) target industrial applications. So Hyperion probably was thinking of doing something in that market.

Unfortunately, the embedded systems market can be a tough nut to crack, and non-Linux solutions have a hard time getting traction (even Windows CE does better in this market) and I don't think any inroads were ever made. Genesi's stuff now is all ARM-based and running Linux.
 
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The Amiga should have been fitted with a cartridge port as it was the original intention of the Amiga company. Then you have instant loading and just use a PC floppy for files. And in '87 when the 500 came out PCMIA cards were available (they were used on the Atari Portfolio) and you could have ditched the floppy entirely.

But that spamhead from Phillips (who stuffed up the TED project as well) insisted on having a disk based machine. The FDD was a royal pita and caused 99% of the meditations. And because of the limitations of AmigaDOS hard drives were not simple to attach.

What do you mean amigados limitations prevent HDs ?

Many amigas such as the 600/1200/3000 etc all had hds. Cost not the OS was the reason wjhy they werent on the popular 500.

see how those two things are different?
he is still wrong, but he never said prevent.

sorry i used the wrong word, but his nonsense, that amigados made things difficult to attach a hd are simply untrue. I have no idea what problems he is referring too.
 
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The Amiga should have been fitted with a cartridge port as it was the original intention of the Amiga company. Then you have instant loading and just use a PC floppy for files. And in '87 when the 500 came out PCMIA cards were available (they were used on the Atari Portfolio) and you could have ditched the floppy entirely.

But that spamhead from Phillips (who stuffed up the TED project as well) insisted on having a disk based machine. The FDD was a royal pita and caused 99% of the meditations. And because of the limitations of AmigaDOS hard drives were not simple to attach.

What do you mean amigados limitations prevent HDs ?

Many amigas such as the 600/1200/3000 etc all had hds. Cost not the OS was the reason wjhy they werent on the popular 500.

see how those two things are different?
he is still wrong, but he never said prevent.

sorry i used the wrong word, but his nonsense, that amigados made things difficult to attach a hd are simply untrue. I have no idea what problems he is referring too.

yes, it seems to me he just didn't know how to do it and that made it difficult for everyone in his mind... which is simply untrue. add a controller, done.
 
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AdvancedFollower sayed:

"It's probably the last historical Amiga article since it carries up to the present day, but the story isn't over."

And it attracted the creators, anthropologists, psychologists, haters, wannabe's, zealots, true believers, nut bars, nostalgic's, hangers on, unbelievers, deniers and truthers to the comment section over the last decade.

rapster is my people:

"I still vividly remember the first time I ever saw an Amiga. It seemed like magic and I was stunned..."

I myself entered a computer shop one fateful day and stood dumbstruck because there was an Amiga 1000 sitting on a display table and on the screen there were three separate smaller boxes each running a different program at the same time in color. The year was 1985. PC's were boop beep and Apple Mac's a year old with their tiny black and white hires screens. I switched from MacWorld to AmigaWorld. I had to wait to buy my machine but I hung out with people who had Amigas. In 1987 I was able to purchase an A500 + 512K + the color monitor, the color printer, the $600 productivity package with WordPerfect and a second 880k floppy drive. I was asked by a salesguy what I needed all that for. You know the obvious reply.

Christmas@GroundZero brays:

"This claim is pure hypervole (sic), and factually wrong, no matter how advanced the Amiga of the time was, as the Amiga had to work the same way at some point..."

I beg to differ. I had that conversation with a workmate. A wizened older fellow almost twice my age. As I described my wonderfully pre-emptively multitasking machine at the cafeteria table, he turned to me and explained it wasn't really multitasking it was just time slicing fairly quickly. Long and short of it was I had him over to my house and after a quick explanation of the Amiga protocols for starting programs, calling up files and moving windows and dropping screens to reveal the one running behind it I let him have a go.

He exclaimed, complete with the familiar expletives of one who has seen his worldview crushed that indeed, my Amiga did multitask. His revenge was to gift me a 300 baud acoustic coupler modem and leaving me online when he left. He had his own machine within a week and we split two more floppies in a joint purchase.

Pusher of Buttons noted:

" The Amiga was very unique piece of computer history..."

And I cannot but heartily agree. I went through the gamut of A500, A3000, A3000T, A4000, back to A3000T with a CyberPPC/CV64/4M, a UA1, an AmigaOne and an X1000. I upgraded and tinkered and adopted a suite of stable, powerful apps that ran well together. Amigas were magic, and once you ran your RAM up to 128M running an 060 I didn't apologize to anyone because I could do stuff.

Daedalus207 even made an observation I never had:

"Heck, it probably even explains my preference for compact mechanical keyboards, and my weird "fingertips only" mouse grip - you try using a palm grip on the classic A1000 mouse..."

I looked down at my hand on the mouse and had that same epiphany right then.

I don't really care what other people think. I know what the Amiga did for me. The lasting friendships that resulted. The common bonds with other Amigans. The capabilities gifted to those who were part of the wave that dashed on the shore and faded into history. I have big machines now dual xeons and the like because life moves on but the Amiga is part of me.

So, finally, thank you Jeremy Reimer for documenting so much of the Amiga story for history and bringing it to life for those who couldn't be there and those who missed out on the experience.
 
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AdvancedFollower sayed:

"It's probably the last historical Amiga article since it carries up to the present day, but the story isn't over."

And it attracted the creators, anthropologists, psychologists, haters, wannabe's, zealots, true believers, nut bars, nostalgic's, hangers on, unbelievers, deniers and truthers to the comment section over the last decade.

rapster is my people:

"I still vividly remember the first time I ever saw an Amiga. It seemed like magic and I was stunned..."

I myself entered a computer shop one fateful day and stood dumbstruck because there was an Amiga 1000 sitting on a display table and on the screen there were three separate smaller boxes each running a different program at the same time in color. The year was 1985. PC's were boop beep and Apple Mac's a year old with their tiny black and white hires screens. I switched from MacWorld to AmigaWorld. I had to wait to buy my machine but I hung out with people who had Amigas. In 1987 I was able to purchase an A500 + 512K + the color monitor, the color printer, the $600 productivity package with WordPerfect and a second 880k floppy drive. I was asked by a salesguy what I needed all that for. You know the obvious reply.

Christmas@GroundZero brays:

"This claim is pure hypervole (sic), and factually wrong, no matter how advanced the Amiga of the time was, as the Amiga had to work the same way at some point..."

I beg to differ. I had that conversation with a workmate. A wizened older fellow almost twice my age. As I described my wonderfully pre-emptively multitasking machine at the cafeteria table, he turned to me and explained it wasn't really multitasking it was just time slicing fairly quickly. Long and short of it was I had him over to my house and after a quick explanation of the Amiga protocols for starting programs, calling up files and moving windows and dropping screens to reveal the one running behind it I let him have a go.

He exclaimed, complete with the familiar expletives of one who has seen his worldview crushed that indeed, my Amiga did multitask. His revenge was to gift me a 300 baud acoustic coupler modem and leaving me online when he left. He had his own machine within a week and we split two more floppies in a joint purchase.

Pusher of Buttons noted:

" The Amiga was very unique piece of computer history..."

And I cannot but heartily agree. I went through the gamut of A500, A3000, A3000T, A4000, back to A3000T with a CyberPPC/CV64/4M, a UA1, an AmigaOne and an X1000. I upgraded and tinkered and adopted a suite of stable, powerful apps that ran well together. Amigas were magic, and once you ran your RAM up to 128M running an 060 I didn't apologize to anyone because I could do stuff.

Daedalus207 even made an observation I never had:

"Heck, it probably even explains my preference for compact mechanical keyboards, and my weird "fingertips only" mouse grip - you try using a palm grip on the classic A1000 mouse..."

I looked down at my hand on the mouse and had that same epiphany right then.

I don't really care what other people think. I know what the Amiga did for me. The lasting friendships that resulted. The common bonds with other Amigans. The capabilities gifted to those who were part of the wave that dashed on the shore and faded into history. I have big machines now dual xeons and the like because life moves on but the Amiga is part of me.

So, finally, thank you Jeremy Reimer for documenting so much of the Amiga story for history and bringing it to life for those who couldn't be there and those who missed out on the experience.

very well said... Though I wish I could have afforded one back in the day, I had to wait till I was an adult and made a considerably larger amount to afford the things I truly wanted.
I started with a Timex/Sinclair, then Atari 800XL, then PC (5150), after the good days were gone, I was able to get a C64, C128, Atari 130XE, Amiga 2000, and that's all I personally owned, but I have worked on many others including some heavy metal as well (just for fun - yes I know, I have a weird idea of fun).
 
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I get the Amiga love, but where's the 12-part article on the Mindset?

Ah.

I know quite little about the Mindset, but I did see one in person in a store when it first came out and was mesmerized. It left an indelible impression on me (which is to say I still clearly remember watching that cool 3D demo in the store, 30+ years ago), but then I pretty much never heard about it again.

When I was first exposed to the Amiga, I got the same sort of feeling and was hooked. Dearly loved my A2000, but by 1996 the writing was on the wall and I switched over to the Mac (or, more accurately, a Power Computing Mac clone, which I had fun upgrading with new CPU cards periodically).

I am honestly amazed how long the faithful have been keeping some version of the Amiga platform alive.
 
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Someone is making ATX motherboards... you have to get your chips elsewhere, I'm guessing...

https://hackaday.com/2018/08/22/an-incr ... therboard/

you have to hot air them off your original. A lot of effort went into re-creating this clone of the original board but I expect for little to no usage of it. I'll stick to the GBA1000 motherboard (hybrid a1000/3000 motherboard) its original chips are dip and plcc with smt resistors. so much easier to build!
 
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ferdnyc

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Someone is making ATX motherboards... you have to get your chips elsewhere, I'm guessing...
you have to hot air them off your original.
Wow, really? Not that I'd want to do this anyway*, but If I was looking to own a computer assembled out of hot air, I'd have bought a NeXT.

* – (Especially given the bigger hurdle that I no longer have access to my original A2000, as it stayed with my parents, who've since moved.)
 
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Someone is making ATX motherboards... you have to get your chips elsewhere, I'm guessing...

https://hackaday.com/2018/08/22/an-incr ... therboard/

you have to hot air them off your original. A lot of effort went into re-creating this clone of the original board but I expect for little to no usage of it. I'll stick to the GBA1000 motherboard (hybrid a1000/3000 motherboard) its original chips are dip and plcc with smt resistors. so much easier to build!
You rather stick to GBA1000 with ancient slower chipset and less expandability? Just because it's much easier to build?
 
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CGA was invented in 1981
In a relatively recent demo (by Hornet + CRTC + DESiRE) -- I was impressed how an IBM PC XT was milked to just about almost compete with Amiga graphics in a recent demo showing 1,000 simultaneous colors displayed by a 1981 IBM 5150 with CGA graphics.

Yes. CGA beating VGA in this demo.

Quite a jawdropper that some hackers found ways to push CGA to such extreme limits with undocumented software hacks.



(CGA can normally only do 4 colors at the same time!)

YouTube video of the "8088 MPH trick on CGA".
and around that time a small breadbasket computer with 38 KiloByte (then and now KibiByte) boasted 1280 colors: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mVsapJQUuo
Someone is making ATX motherboards... you have to get your chips elsewhere, I'm guessing...

https://hackaday.com/2018/08/22/an-incr ... therboard/

you have to hot air them off your original. A lot of effort went into re-creating this clone of the original board but I expect for little to no usage of it. I'll stick to the GBA1000 motherboard (hybrid a1000/3000 motherboard) its original chips are dip and plcc with smt resistors. so much easier to build!
You rather stick to GBA1000 with ancient slower chipset and less expandability? Just because it's much easier to build?
Thanks for reviving a thread from the grave. I somehow missed four pages on the discussion then, somehow the thread fell under the radar.

btw. there where many attempts to bring back the HW of the Amiga, one still seems to stand out in my mind, was the project of one or two guys trying to put all the special chips onto a single FPCGA chip and place it on a PCI Card. If memory serves me right, it died due to software not being written or some such.

also many a clone of the Amiga HW was developed (some with the specialized chipset, some with out like the Draco). Here is a link in case it interests anyone: https://www.bigbookofamigahardware.com/ ... .aspx?id=1
 
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Stumbled upon this huge series, and I admit I got teary-eyed.

My first home computer was an A500, which gave me the only multitasking-capable system available (I loved our University VAX 11/750 running BSD 4.2, and I couldn't stand MS-DOS). I think I bought it around winter 1987 or so. The Acorn Archimedes didn't arrive on the scene yet, and it was obscenely expensive for a home computer in Greece.

After nearly two years, I collected enough money for a used A3000/16, which I used mostly as a BBS user and a UNIX terminal via a 9600bps modem into the university, then I hammered lots of technical articles and a bit of general programming (but the compilers weren't good enough, and often could crash the whole system - I preferred to do everything on our VAX)

After my A3000 stopped operating, I decided to buy an AMD Athlon and run SuSE Linux for some years at home (and at work). I think my first Windows was the 2000 version, which was stable enough, then went into XP on a used Thinkpad etc.

And after all that trip into the memory lane, I am frankly amazed by the latest FPGA incarnation of the Amiga platform:
http://www.apollo-computer.com/index.php

I am almost tempted buying it, I have to admit, for replaying the various games of the youth (Defender of the Crown was my favourite, thanks to the music and scenery)

N.F.
 
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ferdnyc

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And after all that trip into the memory lane, I am frankly amazed by the latest FPGA incarnation of the Amiga platform:
http://www.apollo-computer.com/index.php

I am almost tempted buying it, I have to admit, for replaying the various games of the youth (Defender of the Crown was my favourite, thanks to the music and scenery)

I'm all for the pull of nostalgia, and builds like that are truly impressive, but... well, I guess it would partly come down to how much discretionary cash you have to throw around on something like that. If you can afford it, and it seems interesting to you, what's the harm?

The truly pathetic RAM complement (12MB chip RAM, a paltry 0.5GB Fast RAM) for the price (699 € / $665 US for the "Basic Bundle" of CPU package + power supply, not even the misleadingly-pictured LCD monitor) would give me pause. Has there ever been an Amiga that needs, or could even make use of, the 20GB of RAM my current Linux box contains? Not really, no. But did that 20GB of RAM cost me under $100 total? Yes, yes it did. I didn't even know you could get DDR3 RAM in packages as small as 512MB, pretty sure my larger DIMMs have more per-CHIP capacity than that!

Then there's the 100MBit ethernet (SRSLY?), the CompactFlash controller that they're touting tops out at 15 MB/sec (as if that's anything to be proud of!) and the apparent 1280x720 max resolution.

I don't know, maybe I'm just spoiled by 20+ years of technology advancement. I realize the stats listed for the thing, as pathetic as they are by modern standards, nevertheless make it one of the most powerful Amiga systems ever produced, so it's arguably all relative. Still... put me down as "underwhelmed".

Putting aside the hardware for a moment, gaming nostalgia in particular is a tricksy beast. Most of us have fond memories of a LOT of games, based on our experience at the time. And those memories are real and genuine, in context.

But if we played those same games today, the truth is that most of them would flat-out suuuuuuuuuck when viewed with 2022 eyes. Unplayable through even the strongest Nostalgia-Powered Lenses available without a prescription.

Here's WhatCulture running down 10 Classic Video Games That DON'T Hold Up — and it's worth noting: Most of those are from the mid-to-late 200x's, so they're two decades less ancient than your typical Amiga title. (And no, I don't think it's just a question of "kids today" having no appreciation for the classics. I'm 47, and I'm sadly confident I would fail to find the same enjoyment in at least 80% of the games I devoted entire weeks of my life to, 30+ years ago when they were new and mind-blowing.)

But hey, like I said in the beginning (before I turned this into a post seemingly hell-bent on taking a dump on your nostalgia-train, WTF me?): If it interests you and doesn't break the bank, why not? Enjoy! From a technology standpoint it is an impressively cool little unit, whatever I or anyone else may feel about its value for the dollar.)
 
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It's plainly nostalgia-fueled, I admit it.
And technologically, it's quite interesting, to use an FPGA for re-implementing and expanding an old technology.

The same system could implement a Cray computer, for example (or a 486-based computer). This kind of hardware metamorphosing is quite intriguing (it's mostly limited by the amount of logical gates available for configuration).

Look for example, at this system:
https://github.com/mist-devel/mist-board/wiki

Or at this video demonstration:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5yPbzD-W-I

To me, this approach is quite fascinating.

N.F.
 
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So now it's 2025, and guess what? YET MORE LAWSUITS. Google for details, if you dare.. (or A history of the Amiga, part 13?) but:

1) 2017 to 2023 -- Cloanto ended up with the Amiga Inc. assets; yet another lawsuit Cloanto vs. Hyperion, filed Dec 2017 and finally concluded in April 2023. This one was settled in Hyperions favor. Cloanto claimed the terms of a 2009 agreement with Hyperion and whoever all were in that particular Amiga-related lawsuit had been exceeded, so Cloanto was seeking to pull Hyperion's copyright and trademark rights. Judge decided the 2009 agreement had not been violated.

2) Then 2024... YET MORE LEGAL ACTION! 2 gentleman Timothy De Groote (who now is CEO) and Ben Hermans had some kind of CEO battle, CEO position of Hyperion changed several times in 2024 with some quality time spent in court the whole way along, and De Groote ended up as CEO effective January 2025.

At time of writing, it's a whole 3 months then with no Amiga-related lawsuits. Unless there is one and it just hasn't made it to the attention of the tech sites LOL.
 
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