"failed to renew the copyrights"
Copyrights cannot and need not be renewed. There was such a thing in the US before it joined the Berne Convention (long before Amiga existed).
You can find some detail on its workings in the Be Developer's Guide."soft realtime scheduling" is not a well-defined term with any specific meaning
"At the time" was October 1995. NT 4.0 was released in July 1996.Windows at the time was NT 4. Which was fully reentrant.
It takes zero lines in BeOS.(typically about 5-10 lines, depending on coding style).
So you're saying that something that was released later is better? STOP THE PRESSES!I'm not talking about Windows 95. I'm talking about NT 4 and (during the later portion of BeOS's life) Windows 2000.
I think this is the same mobo I had. I used it for side-by-side Windows and OS4.2. I recall at one point, while running NS, waiting for a compile to finish. I didn't even notice I was doing it... but on the Mac or Win, you either had to or wanted to wait because the MT performance was terrible. Once I realized what I was doing, I switched into OmniWeb and poked about on SW while the machine chugged away as if nothing was happening. I had to unlearn a lot of behaviours.That was not the motherboard I had access to incidentally, and the one I had one supported 2 DIMMs and was used as a Linux box (though I don't know for what precisely as it was not in use when I got it)
"failed to renew the copyrights"
Copyrights cannot and need not be renewed. There was such a thing in the US before it joined the Berne Convention (long before Amiga existed).
The full sentence from the article:
"Bill McEwen continued the pretense of owning Amiga until 2016 when he failed to renew the copyrights on the Amiga name."
This should obviously be "renew the trademarks on the Amiga name." Trademarks need to be renewed, and is what would apply to a company name.
The US trademark expired April 2017, and several companies are trying to lay claim to it now, like Cloanto and Hyperion.
http://www.generationamiga.com/2017/04/ ... trademark/
http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-201 ... 19-EN.html
I think this is the same mobo I had. I used it for side-by-side Windows and OS4.2. I recall at one point, while running NS, waiting for a compile to finish. I didn't even notice I was doing it... but on the Mac or Win, you either had to or wanted to wait because the MT performance was terrible. Once I realized what I was doing, I switched into OmniWeb and poked about on SW while the machine chugged away as if nothing was happening. I had to unlearn a lot of behaviours.That was not the motherboard I had access to incidentally, and the one I had one supported 2 DIMMs and was used as a Linux box (though I don't know for what precisely as it was not in use when I got it)
Nah. If you're gonna make claims about its scheduler, you need to defend them; "go hunt down some long out of print book" is not a reasonable position.You can find some detail on its workings in the Be Developer's Guide.
BeOS's first stable release wasn't until March 1998. This was (I think) also the first x86 release. The October 1995 release was a developer preview, and only ran on the AT&T Hobbit."At the time" was October 1995. NT 4.0 was released in July 1996.
That's not actually true, because even in BeOS you need to write lines of code to actually create a new window.It takes zero lines in BeOS.
I'm pretty sure that July 1996 is before March 1998.So you're saying that something that was released later is better? STOP THE PRESSES!
The Amiga should have been fitted with a cartridge port as it was the original intention of the Amiga company. Then you have instant loading and just use a PC floppy for files. And in '87 when the 500 came out PCMIA cards were available (they were used on the Atari Portfolio) and you could have ditched the floppy entirely.
But that spamhead from Phillips (who stuffed up the TED project as well) insisted on having a disk based machine. The FDD was a royal pita and caused 99% of the meditations. And because of the limitations of AmigaDOS hard drives were not simple to attach.
The Amiga should have been fitted with a cartridge port as it was the original intention of the Amiga company. Then you have instant loading and just use a PC floppy for files. And in '87 when the 500 came out PCMIA cards were available (they were used on the Atari Portfolio) and you could have ditched the floppy entirely.
But that spamhead from Phillips (who stuffed up the TED project as well) insisted on having a disk based machine. The FDD was a royal pita and caused 99% of the meditations. And because of the limitations of AmigaDOS hard drives were not simple to attach.
What do you mean amigados limitations prevent HDs ?
Many amigas such as the 600/1200/3000 etc all had hds. Cost not the OS was the reason wjhy they werent on the popular 500.
The Amiga should have been fitted with a cartridge port as it was the original intention of the Amiga company. Then you have instant loading and just use a PC floppy for files. And in '87 when the 500 came out PCMIA cards were available (they were used on the Atari Portfolio) and you could have ditched the floppy entirely.
But that spamhead from Phillips (who stuffed up the TED project as well) insisted on having a disk based machine. The FDD was a royal pita and caused 99% of the meditations. And because of the limitations of AmigaDOS hard drives were not simple to attach.
What do you mean amigados limitations prevent HDs ?
Many amigas such as the 600/1200/3000 etc all had hds. Cost not the OS was the reason wjhy they werent on the popular 500.
The Amiga should have been fitted with a cartridge port as it was the original intention of the Amiga company. Then you have instant loading and just use a PC floppy for files. And in '87 when the 500 came out PCMIA cards were available (they were used on the Atari Portfolio) and you could have ditched the floppy entirely.
But that spamhead from Phillips (who stuffed up the TED project as well) insisted on having a disk based machine. The FDD was a royal pita and caused 99% of the meditations. And because of the limitations of AmigaDOS hard drives were not simple to attach.
What do you mean amigados limitations prevent HDs ?
Many amigas such as the 600/1200/3000 etc all had hds. Cost not the OS was the reason wjhy they werent on the popular 500.
On the A500, 1000 and 2000, you needed to add an HDD controller since there wasn't one onboard. The A590 module (which I owned) included not only a hard drive, but also the actual SCSI controller. However it was always simple to attach and configure, even on Workbench 1.x (I believe my A500+ ran v1.3).
The A3000 included a SCSI controller, while the A600, 1200 and 4000 had IDE. I had a 1 GB IDE drive in my A1200. On AmigaOS 2.x and later, it was extremely simple to configure an HDD. It worked pretty much the same as modern-day Windows. First you ran HD Toolbox to create the partition(s) and device names (similar to drive letters on Windows) from a GUI similar to GParted, and write the partition table and RDB (similar to MBR on PC). Then you selected the partition on the desktop and chose "Format" from the menu at the top.
The Amiga should have been fitted with a cartridge port as it was the original intention of the Amiga company. Then you have instant loading and just use a PC floppy for files. And in '87 when the 500 came out PCMIA cards were available (they were used on the Atari Portfolio) and you could have ditched the floppy entirely.
But that spamhead from Phillips (who stuffed up the TED project as well) insisted on having a disk based machine. The FDD was a royal pita and caused 99% of the meditations. And because of the limitations of AmigaDOS hard drives were not simple to attach.
What do you mean amigados limitations prevent HDs ?
Many amigas such as the 600/1200/3000 etc all had hds. Cost not the OS was the reason wjhy they werent on the popular 500.
On the A500, 1000 and 2000, you needed to add an HDD controller since there wasn't one onboard. The A590 module (which I owned) included not only a hard drive, but also the actual SCSI controller. However it was always simple to attach and configure, even on Workbench 1.x (I believe my A500+ ran v1.3).
The A3000 included a SCSI controller, while the A600, 1200 and 4000 had IDE. I had a 1 GB IDE drive in my A1200. On AmigaOS 2.x and later, it was extremely simple to configure an HDD. It worked pretty much the same as modern-day Windows. First you ran HD Toolbox to create the partition(s) and device names (similar to drive letters on Windows) from a GUI similar to GParted, and write the partition table and RDB (similar to MBR on PC). Then you selected the partition on the desktop and chose "Format" from the menu at the top.
The Original IBM PC didn't have a hard drive controller either. You had a cassette port for loading and saving in addition to a floppy drive... two in fact. It wasn't until the IBM PC/XT (1987) that had an MFM Hard drive controller as an add-in card... Built-in hard drive controllers didn't come till much later.
The Amiga should have been fitted with a cartridge port as it was the original intention of the Amiga company. Then you have instant loading and just use a PC floppy for files. And in '87 when the 500 came out PCMIA cards were available (they were used on the Atari Portfolio) and you could have ditched the floppy entirely.
But that spamhead from Phillips (who stuffed up the TED project as well) insisted on having a disk based machine. The FDD was a royal pita and caused 99% of the meditations. And because of the limitations of AmigaDOS hard drives were not simple to attach.
What do you mean amigados limitations prevent HDs ?
Many amigas such as the 600/1200/3000 etc all had hds. Cost not the OS was the reason wjhy they werent on the popular 500.
On the A500, 1000 and 2000, you needed to add an HDD controller since there wasn't one onboard. The A590 module (which I owned) included not only a hard drive, but also the actual SCSI controller. However it was always simple to attach and configure, even on Workbench 1.x (I believe my A500+ ran v1.3).
The A3000 included a SCSI controller, while the A600, 1200 and 4000 had IDE. I had a 1 GB IDE drive in my A1200. On AmigaOS 2.x and later, it was extremely simple to configure an HDD. It worked pretty much the same as modern-day Windows. First you ran HD Toolbox to create the partition(s) and device names (similar to drive letters on Windows) from a GUI similar to GParted, and write the partition table and RDB (similar to MBR on PC). Then you selected the partition on the desktop and chose "Format" from the menu at the top.
The Original IBM PC didn't have a hard drive controller either. You had a cassette port for loading and saving in addition to a floppy drive... two in fact. It wasn't until the IBM PC/XT (1987) that had an MFM Hard drive controller as an add-in card... Built-in hard drive controllers didn't come till much later.
The IBM PC/XT came out in 1983, not 1987. It was actually discontinued in 1987.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Personal_Computer_XT
Never never ever stop beating that dead horse.
Never never ever stop beating that dead horse.
didn't get enough downvotes on the first run huh?
oh and irony much?
Never never ever stop beating that dead horse.
didn't get enough downvotes on the first run huh?
oh and irony much?
Even the logorrheic Ars writer has run out of things to say about Amiga. Never has so much been written about so little. As a sales tech at an original Amiga dealership, even I ran out of things to say about it after I said, "It was a piece of crap."
I am active in the retrocomputing world and basically there is nothing collectible that was made after about 1978. The SOL-20 is widely considered the last collectible microcomputer. I own one, I built it from a kit myself. My retrocomputing buddies keep recommending I sell it before the market for it dies. I mean that literally. The only people who care about retrocomputers are the guys that owned one, or wanted to own one and couldn't afford it. And those guys are all dying of old age so the market is shrinking. There are no new SOL collectors, just as there are no new people with interest in the Amiga.
It will take some time for the Amiga religious zealots to die off since they are younger than the real retrocomputer demographic group. But the Amiga-heads will go kicking and screaming about their toys, until the very end.
Totally serious. Unlike anyone else in this entire discussion, I have been dealing with insane Amiga zealots since Day 1 of the machine and and even BEFORE it shipped.
You know, we had one tech who was intensely devoted to the Amiga, even though we didn't sell them anymore. He used to proselytize the damn thing to everyone, even the customers who had no interest because they were just there to have their PCs and Macs repaired. Finally the manager told him that if he likes Amigas so much, he should go find a shop that still sold them, because he no longer worked here anymore. I LOLed.
THIS is the untold story of the Amiga. I am not surprised the Ars writer overlooked these antisocial aspects of the Amigaheads in his overly lengthy saga.
The Amiga should have been fitted with a cartridge port as it was the original intention of the Amiga company. Then you have instant loading and just use a PC floppy for files. And in '87 when the 500 came out PCMIA cards were available (they were used on the Atari Portfolio) and you could have ditched the floppy entirely.
But that spamhead from Phillips (who stuffed up the TED project as well) insisted on having a disk based machine. The FDD was a royal pita and caused 99% of the meditations. And because of the limitations of AmigaDOS hard drives were not simple to attach.
What do you mean amigados limitations prevent HDs ?
Many amigas such as the 600/1200/3000 etc all had hds. Cost not the OS was the reason wjhy they werent on the popular 500.
see how those two things are different?
he is still wrong, but he never said prevent.
The Amiga should have been fitted with a cartridge port as it was the original intention of the Amiga company. Then you have instant loading and just use a PC floppy for files. And in '87 when the 500 came out PCMIA cards were available (they were used on the Atari Portfolio) and you could have ditched the floppy entirely.
But that spamhead from Phillips (who stuffed up the TED project as well) insisted on having a disk based machine. The FDD was a royal pita and caused 99% of the meditations. And because of the limitations of AmigaDOS hard drives were not simple to attach.
What do you mean amigados limitations prevent HDs ?
Many amigas such as the 600/1200/3000 etc all had hds. Cost not the OS was the reason wjhy they werent on the popular 500.
see how those two things are different?
he is still wrong, but he never said prevent.
sorry i used the wrong word, but his nonsense, that amigados made things difficult to attach a hd are simply untrue. I have no idea what problems he is referring too.
AdvancedFollower sayed:
"It's probably the last historical Amiga article since it carries up to the present day, but the story isn't over."
And it attracted the creators, anthropologists, psychologists, haters, wannabe's, zealots, true believers, nut bars, nostalgic's, hangers on, unbelievers, deniers and truthers to the comment section over the last decade.
rapster is my people:
"I still vividly remember the first time I ever saw an Amiga. It seemed like magic and I was stunned..."
I myself entered a computer shop one fateful day and stood dumbstruck because there was an Amiga 1000 sitting on a display table and on the screen there were three separate smaller boxes each running a different program at the same time in color. The year was 1985. PC's were boop beep and Apple Mac's a year old with their tiny black and white hires screens. I switched from MacWorld to AmigaWorld. I had to wait to buy my machine but I hung out with people who had Amigas. In 1987 I was able to purchase an A500 + 512K + the color monitor, the color printer, the $600 productivity package with WordPerfect and a second 880k floppy drive. I was asked by a salesguy what I needed all that for. You know the obvious reply.
Christmas@GroundZero brays:
"This claim is pure hypervole (sic), and factually wrong, no matter how advanced the Amiga of the time was, as the Amiga had to work the same way at some point..."
I beg to differ. I had that conversation with a workmate. A wizened older fellow almost twice my age. As I described my wonderfully pre-emptively multitasking machine at the cafeteria table, he turned to me and explained it wasn't really multitasking it was just time slicing fairly quickly. Long and short of it was I had him over to my house and after a quick explanation of the Amiga protocols for starting programs, calling up files and moving windows and dropping screens to reveal the one running behind it I let him have a go.
He exclaimed, complete with the familiar expletives of one who has seen his worldview crushed that indeed, my Amiga did multitask. His revenge was to gift me a 300 baud acoustic coupler modem and leaving me online when he left. He had his own machine within a week and we split two more floppies in a joint purchase.
Pusher of Buttons noted:
" The Amiga was very unique piece of computer history..."
And I cannot but heartily agree. I went through the gamut of A500, A3000, A3000T, A4000, back to A3000T with a CyberPPC/CV64/4M, a UA1, an AmigaOne and an X1000. I upgraded and tinkered and adopted a suite of stable, powerful apps that ran well together. Amigas were magic, and once you ran your RAM up to 128M running an 060 I didn't apologize to anyone because I could do stuff.
Daedalus207 even made an observation I never had:
"Heck, it probably even explains my preference for compact mechanical keyboards, and my weird "fingertips only" mouse grip - you try using a palm grip on the classic A1000 mouse..."
I looked down at my hand on the mouse and had that same epiphany right then.
I don't really care what other people think. I know what the Amiga did for me. The lasting friendships that resulted. The common bonds with other Amigans. The capabilities gifted to those who were part of the wave that dashed on the shore and faded into history. I have big machines now dual xeons and the like because life moves on but the Amiga is part of me.
So, finally, thank you Jeremy Reimer for documenting so much of the Amiga story for history and bringing it to life for those who couldn't be there and those who missed out on the experience.
I get the Amiga love, but where's the 12-part article on the Mindset?
Someone is making ATX motherboards... you have to get your chips elsewhere, I'm guessing...
https://hackaday.com/2018/08/22/an-incr ... therboard/
Wow, really? Not that I'd want to do this anyway*, but If I was looking to own a computer assembled out of hot air, I'd have bought a NeXT.you have to hot air them off your original.Someone is making ATX motherboards... you have to get your chips elsewhere, I'm guessing...
You rather stick to GBA1000 with ancient slower chipset and less expandability? Just because it's much easier to build?Someone is making ATX motherboards... you have to get your chips elsewhere, I'm guessing...
https://hackaday.com/2018/08/22/an-incr ... therboard/
you have to hot air them off your original. A lot of effort went into re-creating this clone of the original board but I expect for little to no usage of it. I'll stick to the GBA1000 motherboard (hybrid a1000/3000 motherboard) its original chips are dip and plcc with smt resistors. so much easier to build!
and around that time a small breadbasket computer with 38 KiloByte (then and now KibiByte) boasted 1280 colors: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mVsapJQUuoIn a relatively recent demo (by Hornet + CRTC + DESiRE) -- I was impressed how an IBM PC XT was milked to just about almost compete with Amiga graphics in a recent demo showing 1,000 simultaneous colors displayed by a 1981 IBM 5150 with CGA graphics.CGA was invented in 1981
Yes. CGA beating VGA in this demo.
Quite a jawdropper that some hackers found ways to push CGA to such extreme limits with undocumented software hacks.
(CGA can normally only do 4 colors at the same time!)
YouTube video of the "8088 MPH trick on CGA".
Thanks for reviving a thread from the grave. I somehow missed four pages on the discussion then, somehow the thread fell under the radar.You rather stick to GBA1000 with ancient slower chipset and less expandability? Just because it's much easier to build?Someone is making ATX motherboards... you have to get your chips elsewhere, I'm guessing...
https://hackaday.com/2018/08/22/an-incr ... therboard/
you have to hot air them off your original. A lot of effort went into re-creating this clone of the original board but I expect for little to no usage of it. I'll stick to the GBA1000 motherboard (hybrid a1000/3000 motherboard) its original chips are dip and plcc with smt resistors. so much easier to build!
And after all that trip into the memory lane, I am frankly amazed by the latest FPGA incarnation of the Amiga platform:
http://www.apollo-computer.com/index.php
I am almost tempted buying it, I have to admit, for replaying the various games of the youth (Defender of the Crown was my favourite, thanks to the music and scenery)