27" monitor recommendation

[Doogie]

I have a Dell U2311h 23.7" and want to upgrade to a larger monitor.

I've read lots of the posts on monitors, read the reviews on the TFT Central and other sites and extensively searched the web looking for a 27" IPS panel (or equivalent) monitor with less than 10ms response, low ghosting, and IPS quality color. Basically a Gaming/Movie panel.

Does any one have or can recommend a monitor that fits this description? I'm really not interested in the 144hz TN panels. I'd also rather not give up the color depth of a IPS just for 144hz. Am I missing from the benefits of 144hz?

 

[keltor]

I honestly think you should look at the Korean monitors, they are really a hell of a deal.

Take a look at this list of monitors both regular and Korean - http://www.logicalincrements.com/peripherals/index.html

I like the QX2710 enough that I own 4 of them. (2 in my home studio, 2 at the gaming computer) The ASUS PB278Q is probably the way to go otherwise.

 

[continuum]

IIRC the HP ZR2740w v2 had the least input lag according to testing at TFTCentral, prad.de, Xbitlabs, or Anandtech? I honestly forget...

We have a bunch here (along with Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM's) and are quite pleased, but being a business we don't generally worry about input lag or response time...

 

[yd]

You probably want to put a budget in but for myself, if I were doing it today, I would be doing two of these Eizo's - fit all your requirements spec wise anyway

http://www.eizo.com/global/products/fle ... index.html

Beautiful monitor, I am just holding out for an ultra resolution version. I currently have an older 24 inch pair of Eizo's that have worked wonderfully.

 

[logic_88]

keltor[/url]":32pdt26v]I honestly think you should look at the Korean monitors, they are really a hell of a deal.

Take a look at this list of monitors both regular and Korean - http://www.logicalincrements.com/peripherals/index.html

I like the QX2710 enough that I own 4 of them. (2 in my home studio, 2 at the gaming computer) The ASUS PB278Q is probably the way to go otherwise.

Where did you get your QX2710's from? What price?

I've been thinking about getting a 3rd monitor since my new rig is capable of triple displays so this might fit the bill.

Thanks.

 

[keltor]

logic_88[/url]":dquojlak]

keltor[/url]":dquojlak]I honestly think you should look at the Korean monitors, they are really a hell of a deal.

Take a look at this list of monitors both regular and Korean - http://www.logicalincrements.com/peripherals/index.html

I like the QX2710 enough that I own 4 of them. (2 in my home studio, 2 at the gaming computer) The ASUS PB278Q is probably the way to go otherwise.

Where did you get your QX2710's from? What price?

I've been thinking about getting a 3rd monitor since my new rig is capable of triple displays so this might fit the bill.

Thanks.

I bought them from the Korean vendor green-sum on ebay. I bought the pixel perfect ones for $350 a piece and they arrived about the same as Amazon prime 2 day arrives. I have no complaints. I am considering buying a Yamakasi 30" for gaming and giving the two 27" screens to my kiddos. I find that I've stopped playing Eve as much and I really have no reason for the second screen anymore.

 

[logic_88]

keltor[/url]":2mzfflcd]
I bought them from the Korean vendor green-sum on ebay. I bought the pixel perfect ones for $350 a piece and they arrived about the same as Amazon prime 2 day arrives. I have no complaints. I am considering buying a Yamakasi 30" for gaming and giving the two 27" screens to my kiddos. I find that I've stopped playing Eve as much and I really have no reason for the second screen anymore.

Thanks for the info. For whatever reason, it looks like there was a price jump in the past few months. The same vendor is now selling it for $450+.

I'll setup a Camel^3 alert for when prices drop.

 

[gpse]

I have a LG 27EA83R
it's a great monitor, comes factory calibrated, and uses the same panel as the Dell U2713HM and Apple 27" Monitors

 

[keltor]

logic_88[/url]":7aa59qu1]

keltor[/url]":7aa59qu1]
I bought them from the Korean vendor green-sum on ebay. I bought the pixel perfect ones for $350 a piece and they arrived about the same as Amazon prime 2 day arrives. I have no complaints. I am considering buying a Yamakasi 30" for gaming and giving the two 27" screens to my kiddos. I find that I've stopped playing Eve as much and I really have no reason for the second screen anymore.

Thanks for the info. For whatever reason, it looks like there was a price jump in the past few months. The same vendor is now selling it for $450+.

I'll setup a Camel^3 alert for when prices drop.

They seem to have raised the cost of the pixel perfect ones, but the regular ones (which from most reports are pixel perfect) seem to still be reasonable priced at $289. The 30" in pixel perfect is only $399 - guess I just got sold.

 

[logic_88]

keltor[/url]":ixp1pz0u]
They seem to have raised the cost of the pixel perfect ones, but the regular ones (which from most reports are pixel perfect) seem to still be reasonable priced at $289. The 30" in pixel perfect is only $399 - guess I just got sold.

Found another vendor who claims to sell a pixel perfect unit for $335. They even claim to look for serious back light bleed.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Perfect-Pixel-Q ... 1306346985

No idea if this is a good vendor though.

The 30" pixel perfect unit that you mentioned seems like a good deal too at only $65 more for 160 more vertical pixels.

Decisions, decisions...

Edit: NVM. I see that green-sum includes an AC plug adapter for US/Canadian buyers.

 

[Ephemeron]

I'm so tired of having to choose between good colors/angles and good lag.

There is no way I'm going back to TN panels, ever ever ever.

But it doesn't seem IPS tech has ever been up to the lag task. Forget OCing towards 120Hz. Do any of 27" Korean IPS panels have even better-than-average lag (signal processing time + response time)?

The Eizo Foris FG2421 has come the closest so far to a good combination... good lag, good colors, good angles, and 120Hz to boot with its MVA panel. BUT it's a 24 incher, not a 27, and it has been plagued by AWFUL quality control issues; like, shameful QC issues that make it look like the manufacturers are on a pig farm shoveling pig shit.

TFTcentral will review the QNIX QX2710 LED EvoII DP Multi soon, another Korean 27 incher I think, and I expect its lag results to be middling at best.

 

[keltor]

Ephemeron[/url]":2n2yeqbj]I'm so tired of having to choose between good colors/angles and good lag.

There is no way I'm going back to TN panels, ever ever ever.

But it doesn't seem IPS tech has ever been up to the lag task. Forget OCing towards 120Hz. Do any of 27" Korean IPS panels have even better-than-average lag (signal processing time + response time)?

The Eizo Foris FG2421 has come the closest so far to a good combination... good lag, good colors, good angles, and 120Hz to boot with its MVA panel. BUT it's a 24 incher, not a 27, and it has been plagued by AWFUL quality control issues; like, shameful QC issues that make it look like the manufacturers are on a pig farm shoveling pig shit.

TFTcentral will review the QNIX QX2710 LED EvoII DP Multi soon, another Korean 27 incher I think, and I expect its lag results to be middling at best.

You will see between 6-8ms of G2G (QX2710). There's no input lag because oh yeah there's no scaler at all ... You can use a custom INF to run it at 120Hz if you want, though I find that 96Hz is about perfect and the driver chip isn't running at 150F which is out of it's spec'd heat envelope. At 96Hz, it runs no different than 60Hz.

I've also found that on IPS and PLS screens, I can deal with a higher level of lag than TN, I believe this actually is due to the whole viewing angle aspect. I can deal with 8-10ms on IPS, but on TN I find 2ms painful.

 

[Ephemeron]

Can it do 6-8ms without relying on aggressive, ugly overshoot?

 

[NervousEnergy]

I've got a 25.5" Asus 19x12 panel that's over 3 years old, and really jonesing for an upgrade, but the current 27" monitors are too much of a tradeoff. To me, in that space, the fight is over 2 panels that are still a couple of months from hitting most store shelves: the ultrawide 34UM95 (May 21st) and the Asus ROG PG278Q (Asus still saying '2nd quarter').

I really like the motion blur reduction of GSync panels having tried a first-gen LB monitor, but that ultrawide pushes so many 'want' buttons for my flight-simmers heart...

 

[Ephemeron]

NervousEnergy[/url]":3jkkflqa]I've got a 25.5" Asus 19x12 panel that's over 3 years old, and really jonesing for an upgrade, but the current 27" monitors are too much of a tradeoff. To me, in that space, the fight is over 2 panels that are still a couple of months from hitting most store shelves: the ultrawide 34UM95 (May 21st) and the Asus ROG PG278Q (Asus still saying '2nd quarter').

I really like the motion blur reduction of GSync panels having tried a first-gen LB monitor, but that ultrawide pushes so many 'want' buttons for my flight-simmers heart...

Dude, the Asus ROG PG278Q is TN, and the 34UM95 is a 34" 21:9. Neither of these options are of much interest to anyone looking at a 27" non-TN panel like the OP.

 

[NervousEnergy]

Point taken, but the height of the 34UM95 is exactly the same as a Korean 27" with the same vertical resolution (1440P), and the TN panel in the ROG is impressing reviewers who are normally rabidly anti-TN with their color capabilities.

I personally can't stand the IPS glow and prefer MVA if I had a choice between the two, but I can certainly understand wanting the best color reproduction possible. I'd just recommend not selling the very latest TN panels coming out this year short till you've seen them.

 

[Facekhan]

I bought one of these back in June. The only negative I've noticed is that Amazon video's crappy DRM implementation does not seem to like it connected via DisplayPort. I have not tested it with HDMI to see if that is actually the issue, I am just assuming it is since it is the only system that has a DRM problem with Amazon and the rest use HDMI

Netflix works fine.

Asus VK278Q Black 27"

1920x1080 2ms Full HD HDMI LED BackLight LCD Monitor w/Webcam 300 cd/m2 10,000,000 :1 (ASCR)

It is not very adjustable with the included stand but I have an UpDesk so it does not really matter much.

 

[keltor]

I think the OP unfortunately doesn't want a 27" @ 1080p, that's pretty low PPI. I have a 19" Lenovo with 1080p - now that sucker is nice.

 

[cf18]

Samsung has just released a 28" 60Hz 4K panel for $600
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=95635

Sure it is only TN but the other features and price make it quite attractive. I am sure some 27"+ 60Hz 4K IPS will come out this year at reasonable price.

 

[Ephemeron]

cf18[/url]":1tgm7zfi]Samsung has just released a 28" 60Hz 4K panel for $600
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=95635

Sure it is only TN but the other features and price make it quite attractive. I am sure some 27"+ 60Hz 4K IPS will come out this year at reasonable price.

It's going to seem like I'm trolling this thread at this point, but:
shitty TN is shitty TN. and
what reason do you have to believe new 4K IPS won't suffer from the same lag issues?

 

[keltor]

New PLS and IPS panels are already in place, they have similar lag 6-8ms as the current panels. I don't believe IPS/PLS will get any faster before OLED has supplanted them. TN is stupid and honestly I wish it would die, it hurts me to look at any TN screen after I get a certain distance from it.

 

[Ephemeron]

keltor[/url]":2cgo10aq]

Ephemeron[/url]":2cgo10aq]I'm so tired of having to choose between good colors/angles and good lag.

There is no way I'm going back to TN panels, ever ever ever.

But it doesn't seem IPS tech has ever been up to the lag task. Forget OCing towards 120Hz. Do any of 27" Korean IPS panels have even better-than-average lag (signal processing time + response time)?

The Eizo Foris FG2421 has come the closest so far to a good combination... good lag, good colors, good angles, and 120Hz to boot with its MVA panel. BUT it's a 24 incher, not a 27, and it has been plagued by AWFUL quality control issues; like, shameful QC issues that make it look like the manufacturers are on a pig farm shoveling pig shit.

TFTcentral will review the QNIX QX2710 LED EvoII DP Multi soon, another Korean 27 incher I think, and I expect its lag results to be middling at best.

You will see between 6-8ms of G2G (QX2710). There's no input lag because oh yeah there's no scaler at all ... You can use a custom INF to run it at 120Hz if you want, though I find that 96Hz is about perfect and the driver chip isn't running at 150F which is out of it's spec'd heat envelope. At 96Hz, it runs no different than 60Hz.

I've also found that on IPS and PLS screens, I can deal with a higher level of lag than TN, I believe this actually is due to the whole viewing angle aspect. I can deal with 8-10ms on IPS, but on TN I find 2ms painful.

SOMEONE IS WRONG ON THE INTERNET!

TFTcentral review of the Qx2710 is up, and like I predicted, the total display lag is mediocre: 22 ms. The pixel response time is 6.6ms, within the realm you mentioned, but there is an additional 15.4ms of signal processing lag. Good sirs, what say you?

 

[keltor]

Ephemeron[/url]":hormkzk3]

keltor[/url]":hormkzk3]

Ephemeron[/url]":hormkzk3]I'm so tired of having to choose between good colors/angles and good lag.

There is no way I'm going back to TN panels, ever ever ever.

But it doesn't seem IPS tech has ever been up to the lag task. Forget OCing towards 120Hz. Do any of 27" Korean IPS panels have even better-than-average lag (signal processing time + response time)?

The Eizo Foris FG2421 has come the closest so far to a good combination... good lag, good colors, good angles, and 120Hz to boot with its MVA panel. BUT it's a 24 incher, not a 27, and it has been plagued by AWFUL quality control issues; like, shameful QC issues that make it look like the manufacturers are on a pig farm shoveling pig shit.

TFTcentral will review the QNIX QX2710 LED EvoII DP Multi soon, another Korean 27 incher I think, and I expect its lag results to be middling at best.

You will see between 6-8ms of G2G (QX2710). There's no input lag because oh yeah there's no scaler at all ... You can use a custom INF to run it at 120Hz if you want, though I find that 96Hz is about perfect and the driver chip isn't running at 150F which is out of it's spec'd heat envelope. At 96Hz, it runs no different than 60Hz.

I've also found that on IPS and PLS screens, I can deal with a higher level of lag than TN, I believe this actually is due to the whole viewing angle aspect. I can deal with 8-10ms on IPS, but on TN I find 2ms painful.

SOMEONE IS WRONG ON THE INTERNET!

TFTcentral review of the Qx2710 is up, and like I predicted, the total display lag is mediocre: 22 ms. The pixel response time is 6.6ms, within the realm you mentioned, but there is an additional 15.4ms of signal processing lag. Good sirs, what say you?

There's 3 different versions (well actually there's even more) and they tested the multi input version with the VA screen. The general versions you see everyone else talking about are the PLS version, either the single input version (most people) or the multi-input version. Both of those lack scalers and have the most basic OSD you could possibly imagine. These are basically different monitors. Any comments you find by me are only about the DVI only version. I was somewhat disappointed by TFT Central's review given that that know full and well that most people are not using that version of the monitor.

 

[Ephemeron]

keltor[/url]":2fjnda8w]

Ephemeron[/url]":2fjnda8w]

keltor[/url]":2fjnda8w]

Ephemeron[/url]":2fjnda8w]I'm so tired of having to choose between good colors/angles and good lag.

There is no way I'm going back to TN panels, ever ever ever.

But it doesn't seem IPS tech has ever been up to the lag task. Forget OCing towards 120Hz. Do any of 27" Korean IPS panels have even better-than-average lag (signal processing time + response time)?

The Eizo Foris FG2421 has come the closest so far to a good combination... good lag, good colors, good angles, and 120Hz to boot with its MVA panel. BUT it's a 24 incher, not a 27, and it has been plagued by AWFUL quality control issues; like, shameful QC issues that make it look like the manufacturers are on a pig farm shoveling pig shit.

TFTcentral will review the QNIX QX2710 LED EvoII DP Multi soon, another Korean 27 incher I think, and I expect its lag results to be middling at best.

You will see between 6-8ms of G2G (QX2710). There's no input lag because oh yeah there's no scaler at all ... You can use a custom INF to run it at 120Hz if you want, though I find that 96Hz is about perfect and the driver chip isn't running at 150F which is out of it's spec'd heat envelope. At 96Hz, it runs no different than 60Hz.

I've also found that on IPS and PLS screens, I can deal with a higher level of lag than TN, I believe this actually is due to the whole viewing angle aspect. I can deal with 8-10ms on IPS, but on TN I find 2ms painful.

SOMEONE IS WRONG ON THE INTERNET!

TFTcentral review of the Qx2710 is up, and like I predicted, the total display lag is mediocre: 22 ms. The pixel response time is 6.6ms, within the realm you mentioned, but there is an additional 15.4ms of signal processing lag. Good sirs, what say you?

There's 3 different versions (well actually there's even more) and they tested the multi input version with the VA screen. The general versions you see everyone else talking about are the PLS version, either the single input version (most people) or the multi-input version. Both of those lack scalers and have the most basic OSD you could possibly imagine. These are basically different monitors. Any comments you find by me are only about the DVI only version. I was somewhat disappointed by TFT Central's review given that that know full and well that most people are not using that version of the monitor.

So the QNIX QX2710LEDDport Anand reviewed--finding over 30ms of lag--is not your version, either? Which one did you buy, exactly? Looking at green-sum's site, it's... not clear.

 

[KnightRT]

There's a version of the QNIX with just a DVI port. I just bought it. I don't have a CRT or an oscilloscope, but online stopwatches show it to be 50ms faster than my Sony HDTV. The Sony's lag is barely-perceivable. The QNIX, even less so.

I'm impressed so far. No dead pixels. Reasonably uniform save for some backlight bleed in one corner and a slightly dimmer right side. Overclocks to 96 Hz (though as yet, it won't do it when the Sony is attached at 60 hz). Color gamut is more than sRGB in the reds and blues. I'm still working on calibration. My Colormunki keeps coming up with profiles that crush the blacks, so it's a work in progress. Default white balance is about 6400K. No tint according to the CM.

The stand is cheap and adequate. I'm thinking of buying two more of these and doing a triple-screen setup with a DIY VESA mount.

For reasons unclear to me, the screen won't go any higher than 96hz. Setting 100hz or whatever registers in the nVidia control panel, but the actual refresh rate is still 96hz.

I just noticed that the panel is slightly tilted on the inside by about three pixels. I've been staring at it for two hours, so hardly a serious thing. I'll probably still take it apart and fix the backlight bleed while I'm at it.

 

[keltor]

Ephemeron[/url]":39l92z2v]

So the QNIX QX2710LEDDport Anand reviewed--finding over 30ms of lag--is not your version, either? Which one did you buy, exactly? Looking at green-sum's site, it's... not clear.

I have 4 single DVI-D input versions of the plain Evolution (which is no longer for sale from green-sum as of April 2014) I bought all of mine from green-sum though before this.

Also the tester most sites used to test lag only sends a 1080p or 720p signal depending on which model they are using. Because of this, 1600p and 1440p screens will show higher than normal lag as they are scaling. The results at TFT central are using the SMTT tool though.