If you haven't read The Water Knife, it's the best and most memorable book I've ever been made existentally anxious by.Those fearing a civil war might be blindsided by the water wars.
The saddest thing is that for the most part this can be preventable with responsible management and planning, but those are diametrically opposed to maximizing profit, so why manage river flows when you can sell aquifer rights to middle eastern companies to grow alfalfa?
Partially correct. The snow water content that has fallen is slightly below median (75% in CA to date). But the snow pack is now below 30% of median. When I was in Montana in early March they were saying similar things—no snow, higher water content.The article missed a couple of points that add some context to what we are seeing:
As it noted, the weather in Washington and Oregon has been wet enough, just not cold enough. Those wet conditions travel up the Columbia/snake River valleys to the Yellowstone/Grand Teton area were it is high enough that it will almost always turn into snow. That is why the snow pack is at normal levels for those basins.
The snow pack is important because it functions like a temporary reservoir that keeps the man-made reservoirs full for a few months after the rains stop. That means if you just get wet winter weather, the reservoirs need to release water to keep the lake levels low enough so that they can provide flood control and that means later in the summer, the levels are a lot lower than required.
You folks have a King.Meanwhile, the UK has had some of its wettest winter months on record.
(And no, you cannot come and live with us just because you voted in a dictator and don't like the consequences)
In the '70s I knew a family that would go skiing on the Fourth of July at Schweitzer in Idaho, using two Jeeps to substitute for the chairlifts that were closed for the summer. I wonder when the last year that was possible was.My family recently got back from our annual ski trip to the Rockies. This is a live view from one of the cameras from where we were. This place is usually open until the end of April, and snow into May isn't unheard of. We've been going for 15 years now, and this year was by far the worst we've seen.
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They have older data too, although the maximum age varies by location. They do an official "30 year normal" every 10 years, covering the previous 30 years, and make that their main baseline. You can also look at the same data using averages for the whole period of record for each site. The map is highly customizable here (I worked on this software):I guess they only have data for 1991 and later. They are comparing 2025-2026 snow coverage to a median value between 1991 to 2020. Global warming probably started in the 1970s. So a median value between 1991 to 2020 might already be lower than it was 50 years or 100 years.
Thanks for the background. It takes a lot of energy to pump water up from the depths without pumping something down in return. I wonder how extra-deep ground water would play out energy-wise compared to desalinization? Of course, then there is the issue of the pollutive brine on the shoreline.Short answer is yes. I know of at least of research group based out of the University of Calgary that has been studying basically alpine hydrogeology in the eastern Rocky Mountains (which is also having a bit of a snow drought and an unseasonably warm winter).
In a nutshell, snow melt recharges local aquifers in high alpine basins that are primarily made of talus and rock blocks that erode from the nearby mountains. Ice that forms in these aquifers provide a somewhat steady supply to these alpine streams throughout the year until things freeze up. Recharge in these talus aquifers tends to be more rapid than aquifers with finer grained material.
Other research indicates larger flow systems through fractured bedrock such as near faults and bedding planes. These are regional systems that take a bit of water from the smaller and more local aquifers and transports them outside of the original watershed. These alpine and regional aquifers help support headwaters for many of the major river systems that municipalities and residents rely on for water supply.
Of course these water supplies are finite. If all the subsurface ice melts, then you don’t get a water supply throughout the year and is no different than having no snow. At best it buys time for more permanent and sustainable solutions. More fundamentally there needs to be an increased emphasis on water conservation and recycling.
The trouble is that whoever suggests it will face significant political blowback since no one really wants to change their lifestyles to adapt to upcoming climate realities.
Is this intended to be a constructive comment?snow pack in Colorado wouldn't be a concern to Arizona if the US hadn't......decided that cities needed to be built in the desert. Las Vegas should not exist.
Thank you for your service. How does it work that the basin conditions where I am are coded for 50%-69% but almost all the stations are <50%? Can one station at 110%-129% really make that much difference for the entire basin?They have older data too, although the maximum age varies by location. They do an official "30 year normal" every 10 years, covering the previous 30 years, and make that their main baseline. You can also look at the same data using averages for the whole period of record for each site. The map is highly customizable here (I worked on this software):
https://nwcc-apps.sc.egov.usda.gov/...ativeDate=-1&lat=40.415&lon=-110.018&zoom=5.0
yes.Is this intended to be a constructive comment?
You don't know your history of the west.snow pack in Colorado wouldn't be a concern to Arizona if the US hadn't......decided that cities needed to be built in the desert. Las Vegas should not exist.
So do you, what's your point?You folks have a King.
It's at least a little unusual. https://globalnews.ca/news/11737489/vancouver-no-snow-winter/The temperature hasn’t been that out wack in the Pacific Northwest, though where I’m at we didn’t get any snow this year. What’s been really strange is the rain. Long periods of drought followed by repetitive atmospheric rivers overwhelming our systems. That’s not how the rain is supposed to fall here.
Well, as you say, the higher you need to lift the water, the more energy needed which means that you need bigger pumps which translate into larger well bores and that’s not going into the fact that new wells can be expensive and the expense only increases the deeper you drill.Thanks for the background. It takes a lot of energy to pump water up from the depths without pumping something down in return. I wonder how extra-deep ground water would play out energy-wise compared to desalinization? Of course, then there is the issue of the pollutive brine on the shoreline.
Switching to a continuous color scale might make it more clear. Also, you can click on a basin and get a list of all the numbers for the stations that were used for it.Thank you for your service. How does it work that the basin conditions where I am are coded for 50%-69% but almost all the stations are <50%? Can one station at 110%-129% really make that much difference for the entire basin?
But they said climate change wasn't real!
The problem with reality is that if you keep ignoring it long enough it will hit you like a truck. And then it'll be much more expensive to fix stuff.
I live in a suburb of Salt Lake City. Not many years ago ( 7 or 8?), the snow in my yard was deep enough that the littlerage monsterChihuahua that lived in our home wouldn't go outside unless I cleared a path for him, and once in that path we couldn't see him from the back window because of the depth of the snow around that cleared path.
Now, I haven't even fired up my snow blower in 2 winters, and the one time there was enough snow to consider actually needing to clear the sidewalk, I did it with my leaf blower.
I'm worried.
More than that, I'm deeply frustrated by some of my neighbors and their "climate change isn't real things are always changing it's a scam we don't need to worry about the Great Salt Lake" etc. How do I be a kind and neighborly person and yet be able to point out that we really are hurting for water?
I'd also point out that while I find the idea of retaining hereditary monarchy (or nobility of any sort) ridiculous, at least your King is limited to being the Head of State while our President is both the Head of State and the Head of Government, which is frankly just as ridiculous and proving to be more dangerous in the modern world.So do you, what's your point?
(We also have universal healthcare, drug price control, a real social safety net, better standard of living, better education, a better democracy, well, better everything really. I'd pick socialism every single day, and every day after that.)
Basically the stations closest to me are at ~20% but one two mountain ranges over is above 100%. I get how that will affect the basin as an average, but the watershed I'm in is severely fucked. My well is 200' deep and I'm wondering if we'll be having to ration by the end of summer.Switching to a continuous color scale might make it more clear. Also, you can click on a basin and get a list of all the numbers for the stations that were used for it.
https://nwcc-apps.sc.egov.usda.gov/...ativeDate=-1&lat=44.618&lon=-117.656&zoom=5.1
The simple fact — and I say this as someone who mostly grew up in and deeply loves the West while also forever feeling like a displaced Yankee — is that the West only exists as it does because it was subsidized by Eastern resource exploitation corporations. So much of our way of life has to do more with marketing by 19th Century land speculators than it does rational choices about resource management. There was never enough water here to support intensive European-style agriculture, much less large cities, but here we are.The hardest part for me living in Idaho, knowing climate change is a factor, but it's likely not the only factor--and most people simply don't have the patience for nuanced discussions about something that feels "abstract".
For example, I grew up farming in an area where our water rights were very junior--so we were among the last priority when it came to water. In a typical year, we would have irrigation water from about May (depending on when things deiced enough to let water down) until usually a week or two after the 4th of July. Our typical crops were barley and alfalfa as well as some fallow pasture. In 1992, we had a grand total of 1 water day.
As you can imagine, it's hard to water a farm on one day of irrigation. Everything dried out. (Alfalfa is perennial, and it all died. We didn't plant barley that year knowing water was going to be tight.)
Then, in 1996 and 1997, we had, in consecutive years, the wettest year on record in Idaho (1996) and among the top 5 highest snowpack years on record (1997). Instead of arguments between farmers trying to steal water, farmers were actively trying to give their water to someone else because there was so much that it flooded. (There were also massive mudslides all over the state.)
The reality is, climate is really hard. We make it harder by dumping a bunch of pollutants and greenhouse gases that disrupt the systems our models are based on. For example: Was this extremely wacky winter mostly climate change? Mostly ENSO? Neither and it was just a weird year? I know it's popular just to declare every extreme weather event a byproduct of climate change, but that's not the likely answer either.
and stop supporting cities in flood plains, and in high-fire areas, and at sea levelyes.
stop supporting cities in the desert
Can we just go ahead and throw in seismically active zones and areas that get tornadoes and hurricanes to make sure we've covered all the cities in the world?and stop supporting cities in flood plains, and in high-fire areas, and at sea level
Yeah, it's nastier than the mind can fathom (as is the case with climate change in general). As others have pointed out: 90-degree days, very little snow, etc here in Colorado. At 5300' elevation, situated right up against the mountains, it's been getting wayyyy weirder in recent years. '24 & '25 each brought very wet snow in the 1st week of Feb., with a snow-to-water ratio of ~8:1, when temperatures were in the 20's. That should not be happening until maybe April or May. Typically the winter ratio should be ~15:1.I had no idea it was this bad out west. Over here in the northeast we had our snowiest winter in years. Hoping this drought doesn't make for an exceptional fire season, but I won't hold my breath.
That's the same one Biden used to deluge all the red states, as I recall... (/s, because in 2026, there are people who believe this dreck)The Dear Leader is using the Presidential Weather Console to fight the violent radical-left lunatics in Utah, Nevada, and Eastern Oregon.
The Resolute desk has a drawer that pulls out to provide access to two levers. One is labelled "Bad Weather for My Political Enemies" and the other "Gas Prices at the Local Pump." This is why it's important to always vote for Our Guy™ and not Their Guy™.That's the same one Biden used to deluge all the red states, as I recall... (/s, because in 2026, there are people who believe this dreck)
It has been in the part of Oregon I am. Multiple days that like 30 degrees above normal. 70 degree days in February,The temperature hasn’t been that out wack in the Pacific Northwest
Winter this year in the West was freakishly hot and dry. Was that climate change? Yes. ENSO? Yes. Neither, just a weird year? Yes (but things happen for reasons). Resist the urge to ask for, or reduce this to, a single factor "likely answer." Of course a system that is responsive to multiple variables is going to exhibit changes in response to changes and periodicities in those variables, so there's never one "likely answer" that explains 100% of a climate event. Climate change is the cross-cutter, though - the threat multiplier that puts its thumb on the scale of whatever else is happening with the climate. If there's a cold year, it will be less cold, maybe not cold enough to arrest pine beetle. If there's a warm, dry year, it will be hotter and drier. If there's a drought, it will be worse. If there's a wet year, it will be less so, and less predictably so, and precipitation will fall in different places in different times. If there's a wildfire, it will be more intense, bigger, and spread faster.The hardest part for me living in Idaho, knowing climate change is a factor, but it's likely not the only factor--and most people simply don't have the patience for nuanced discussions about something that feels "abstract".
For example, I grew up farming in an area where our water rights were very junior--so we were among the last priority when it came to water. In a typical year, we would have irrigation water from about May (depending on when things deiced enough to let water down) until usually a week or two after the 4th of July. Our typical crops were barley and alfalfa as well as some fallow pasture. In 1992, we had a grand total of 1 water day.
As you can imagine, it's hard to water a farm on one day of irrigation. Everything dried out. (Alfalfa is perennial, and it all died. We didn't plant barley that year knowing water was going to be tight.)
Then, in 1996 and 1997, we had, in consecutive years, the wettest year on record in Idaho (1996) and among the top 5 highest snowpack years on record (1997). Instead of arguments between farmers trying to steal water, farmers were actively trying to give their water to someone else because there was so much that it flooded. (There were also massive mudslides all over the state.)
The reality is, climate is really hard. We make it harder by dumping a bunch of pollutants and greenhouse gases that disrupt the systems our models are based on. For example: Was this extremely wacky winter mostly climate change? Mostly ENSO? Neither and it was just a weird year? I know it's popular just to declare every extreme weather event a byproduct of climate change, but that's not the likely answer either.
It wasn't. Fucking please get real.yes.
stop supporting cities in the desert
People always say this shit like Vegas wasn't settled for its water sources or Phoenix doesn't have a thousand plus year history as an agricultural hub.snow pack in Colorado wouldn't be a concern to Arizona if the US hadn't......decided that cities needed to be built in the desert
Down south in SoCal, it's like we started having an autumn, then stopped, and went to summer again. We had 80's most of the way through January, with a 90 or two sprinkled here or there. Santa Ana's were frequent (high pressure zones causing air to flow down mountains, gaining speed and friction to warm things up). We had a lot of rain at first, then that just stopped cold.I had no idea it was this bad out west. Over here in the northeast we had our snowiest winter in years. Hoping this drought doesn't make for an exceptional fire season, but I won't hold my breath.