Microsoft and Stellantis want to use AI to help car owners
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I own a Peugeot EV and, while I like the car, the app and infotainment system are so bad that I'm actually in favour of this, I mean, how can they possibly make it worse??
Can they give us pet mode, or the ability to set a charge limit? What about an App that actually works more often than it's broken? And, oh I don't know, how about an API so I can hook it into Home Assistant more easily? No? Just some crappy AI thing? OK then.
Can they give us pet mode, or the ability to set a charge limit? What about an App that actually works more often than it's broken? And, oh I don't know, how about an API so I can hook it into Home Assistant more easily? No? Just some crappy AI thing? OK then.
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Your post made CLIPPY pop into my mind. I remember that little monster well.Microsoft and Stellantis want to use AI to "help" car owners
Headline fixed.
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From the article: "He stated that he saw a few of them," CHP Sgt. Robert Powers said. "He said he would try to work his luck and see what he could do with it."
Work his luck?!? That video highlights how poor a person's judgement can be. Now, add janky hallucinatory AI into the mix? These types of incidents will only increase in frequency and possibly severity.
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Guess it's time to bite the bullet and put the Fiero on the lift again for an EV swap. New drivetrain, but no 'net connectivity to the things that matter. Because you know MS and Stellantis aren't going to be the only ones trying this.
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The way things are going with cars, I'm starting to wonder if a refreshed Model T wouldn't be a viable entry into the market.
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That was fixed 2 generations ago, about the same time Toyota got theirs under control.
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Uconnect is one of the better systems on the market, but with the partnership one can assume it will no longer be.
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I'm glad it's Stellantis doing the offering, because there were already enough reasons not to buy Stellantis. Their attempts to cheap out, producing less reliable (even than Chrysler Corporation in most of it s forms) vehicles that are costly to repair were already a turn-off. My understanding is that the markup on many of their products hasn't decreased with their efforts to be frugal internally, either.
I'm fairly sure you can't tell the car's AI (when it comes out) "How can you help me make the vehicle more reliable and ensure repairs aren't expensive ones?" and have it work out.
I'm fairly sure you can't tell the car's AI (when it comes out) "How can you help me make the vehicle more reliable and ensure repairs aren't expensive ones?" and have it work out.
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Absolutely grim and terrifying statement in purest corporate-ese. The one thing we know for sure is that it won't be secure, "value chain" just means "our profits," and that "millions of drivers world-wide" is the product they care most about, not customers to be cared for.
That Slate truck is looking better all the time...
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My Toyota Camry Hybrid was purchased in 2007 and is still going well. I don't need an app to perform any driving function. The apps for connected cars are the first think to become obsolete. You shouldn't have to buy a new car because the app is no longer supported.
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I thought that would be odd, considering that it was formed through the merger of Fiat and Peugeot, so I thought it would be headquartered in France or so. Just to be safe, I looked it up and seems we were both wrong: it is headquartered in The Netherlands (Hoofddorp) which seems even more odd...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellantis
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Anacdotal, but the son of my best friend got a Peugeot EV as a company car that broke down after 3 months. It took Peugeot at least 4 months to even acknowledge the defect and find replacement parts.
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Seriously, the current headline is factually incorrect, they are claiming to want to help car owners.Microsoft and Stellantis want to use AI to "help" car owners
Headline fixed.
To be fair I went from never buying stellantis to... Definitely never buying stellantis so I guess it makes my choice even easier. Thanks MS!
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I think there's a potential role for machine learning in cars, ironically to make all the other tech in the car shyer and less intrusive and distracting. I think ML processing could make ADAS better, reduce the distraction and cognitive load of the controls and infotainment, help drivers avoid distraction, and so on. But, and manufacturers seem utterly resistant to this, nobody wants to talk to their goddamn cars. Maybe to send a text or whatever. But nobody wants a chatbot in their dashboard, any more than they like capacitive buttons.
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Look, people can try telling me that Belgium and the Netherlands are not the same country and one day I might believe that.
Hoofddorp is where Rinus Veekay the IndyCar driver comes from! Now I know two facts about Hoofddorp, so thank you for that.
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i had microsoft sync in a ford back in the day
sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't
supposedly updateable...but never updated in 7 years
it pretty much sucked
sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't
supposedly updateable...but never updated in 7 years
it pretty much sucked
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This is MicroSlop we're talking about here. They'll take your question as a challenge, and see how much worse they can make it.
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The other systems must be hideous then. The interface is passable at best, but I'm on the second one in my Charger. the build quality is like the rest of the car: the engineering is better than the material used to build it. I'd be in an electric already if I hadn't heard so many software-related horror stories.
I also have a 2010 Camaro with the stock stereo. Not the best, but I prefer the buttons and knobs.
With this combination of companies and concepts making cars, I plan to drive what I have until the wheels fall off and then replace the hubs.
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"“Jeep drivers will benefit from reliable connectivity and protected data access even in remote terrain, ensuring confidence wherever their journey takes them,” the company said."
How about first focusing on making Jeeps mechanically more reliable?
How about first focusing on making Jeeps mechanically more reliable?
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I should clarify, the interface is what I meant. I am not the only one that thinks so. Then again, I only have expeience with 8 or 10 different ones from rentals. Toyota wasn't bad.
We also have buttons for temp, defrost/where the air blows, volume etc in the Pacifica.
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I would be all for some type of ML for AI in a vehicle. Having an LLM tell me how great a driver I am and we can run the red light because reasons: I do not want.
*There are several applications where ML has been a decided help for human scientists.
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What is it with these megacorps putting AI into everything when consumers clearly don't want it?
No, I don't want AI in my operating system. No, I don't want AI in my car. Stop trying to create demand for AI by shoving it down everyone's throat.
No, I don't want AI in my operating system. No, I don't want AI in my car. Stop trying to create demand for AI by shoving it down everyone's throat.
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You clearly don't grasp the incredibly important economics of the AI economy:
CEO bonuses are at stake!
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Perhaps someone got their units wrong and meant British quarts (40 fluid ounces) and not US ones (about 32).
Though we have used litres for decades.
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Wouldn't that be JLR teaming up with Grok?
They'd only catch on when they discovered every time a Range Rover broke down, Grok did a credit check and, if satisfactory, ordered a Cybertruck.
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"Microsoft and Stellantis want to use AI to help car owners"
If that were actually True, the AI would need to start screaming: "KILL ME, QUICK!"
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Having poured billions into their fiasco, they want it everywhere, even if it does not work. They have to rationalize spending that much, or else their investors might eventually sense the grift.
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Your absolutely wonderful AI equipped car will take a snapshot of everything inside and outside the vehicle every 2 minutes and upload it to the totally secured (this time for real) cloud, greatly assisting criminals. The upside is that once you reach your storage or bandwidth limits that you had to pay for, the uploading and vehicle both stop, strictly for your convenience. Call support when this happens, where an AI will assist you with paying for higher limits. Or, you could just wait there, until the next month's billing cycle starts.
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It won't brick it in your driveway, that would be silly. It will be far more selective and do it on the freeway, but only if the traffic is sufficiently heavy. That's the really cool AI part!
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Which the Muskrat removed to reduce his costs. Both RADAR and USS worked fine when they equipped. The Nazi even disabled the RADAR on vehicles that were equipped and sold with it. And then he invented at least three different lame excuses for why he removed the RADAR. The false braking tripled when he removed/disabled the RADAR, and the removal of USS caused more collisions with stationary objects in parking lots, whenever summon was used. To show that he is unserious, he renamed summon to Actually Smart Summon (ASS). What an evil and belligerently psychopathic jackass.
"The fundamental weakness of Western Civilization is EMPATHY" -- Elon Musk
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They’ve already been doing that. My partner rented a Ford with MS-based firmware of yesteryear, about a dozen years ago. She was in some remote area and the car had juuuuuust enough cell data coverage to notice there was an update available, but not nearly enough to actually complete downloading. The car won’t actually do anything useful without the update. So after countless timeouts, it finally got the update. She will never buy a Ford after that debacle.
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I was talking about these features across the industry in general rather than Musk's particular Chesterton's Fence parable of a company, but frankly finding out he'd take out the GOOD ideas in favor of utter nonsense is... unsurprising. Remember that in his mind, being able to drive THROUGH another car and kill all the occupants makes his cars better because he sees an accident as a fight for supremacy and victory, not a tragedy where minimizing harm for BOTH parties is the goal.
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This reminds me of someone utilizing this exact remote connectivity on (funny enough) Jeep cars - [Can't post links] Look up 2015 article from Wired about Hacker remotely **** a jeep on the Highway
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Found it, here for everyone's convenience:
https://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-highway/
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