With falling sales and shrinking profits, the recurring revenue will be most welcome.
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Tesla wants recurring revenue, discontinues Autopilot in favor of FSD
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That's because of those damned safety and legal regulations that try to protect people other than the Muskrat! How unfair! DOGE damaging the federal regulator agencies investigating him for fraud of all kinds, and totaling $2.1B in fines resulted in costing him $288M to get a feeble-minded narcissistic career criminal elected, was just good business sense and simultaneously a mere coincidence. Petulant billionaires should obviously be allowed to do anything they want, no matter how drugged out of their feeble minds they are. And infinite abundance is just around the corner for everyone who gets laid off because of AI replacing them. They just need to buy five or more Optimus fake AI robots with money they don't have, to realize how wonderful everything actually is under the boot of authoritarian fascist rule.*
Five Optimus fake AI robots makes for lots of jobs in the teleoperation and continual repair industries in 3rd world countries, so Quit Complaining* about losing your job.
**What QC means at the Tesla factories.
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My feelings exactly. I would add that blind spot detection is another non-intrusive, helpful addition to the car that is enabled by the camera tech.
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I think it is misleading. "Super Cruise" or "Blue Cruise" are much better descriptions of the capability. You want people to think of it more like next generation cruise control and nowhere near full self driving.
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Well, you can upgrade from typical shit to explosive diarrhea. Not sure how to express that nicely in a single word.
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As an unfortunate owner of a Tesla and a frequent user of Autosteer this is just dumb. Unlike Autopilot/FSD Autosteer is predictable and reliable and actually works extremely well. Unlike FSD it's obviously only meant to be used on highways and I know it won't lane change randomly, or veer to go around something, or brake dramatically in response to a car behaving oddly in an adjacent lane. It doesn't do so much that it lulls the driver into a false sense of security while at the same time frees me up to look further down the road or more closely watch surrounding vehicles rather than focusing on just staying within the lines and maintaining a constant speed/distance from the car in front of me. I have not tried other car brands version of lane keep + adaptive cruise control but there isn't really much room to improve on Tesla's implementation. No one else is charging a monthly subscription for this feature and certainly not $99 a month and bundling it with an unfinished FSD product.
Fortunately this change is just for new cars being sold. Even if I didn't have other non-technical reasons to never buy a Tesla again this alone would be enough to turn me off the idea. It's just ridiculously dumb.
Fortunately this change is just for new cars being sold. Even if I didn't have other non-technical reasons to never buy a Tesla again this alone would be enough to turn me off the idea. It's just ridiculously dumb.
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Really. It amazes me that Tesla true believers still believe after 10 years of promises.
Musk predicted that a Tesla would be able to drive from coast to coast “without the need for a single touch” by the end of 2017.
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In before a certain Ars forum user jumps in with a link to a YouTube purporting to show that actually being a thing that happened…
All seriousness though… it just boggles my mind how Musk can lie so often and somehow be rewarded for those lies…
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I'm a bit surprised that insurance companies haven't started excluding these things from coverage.
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So they're addressing the deceptive marketing judgement by dropping "Autopilot" and doubling down on "Full Self Driving"? I see a bit of a flaw in that cunning plan.
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What’s so special about Tesla’s lane assist? My experience is with Subaru and Volvo.
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I may (or may not) stop to complain for the $4/m that Ford asks me to provide realtime trafic data on GPS. At least my lane tracking is free and will remain free.
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More or less irresponsible than "removing" the safety driver by moving them to a chase car?
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RickRoyLeonPrisZhoraRacha
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Shame on ALL of you owning/leasing a Tesla!
Until the board ousts Musk, TSLA should keep tanking.
Until the board ousts Musk, TSLA should keep tanking.
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Wow, I never thought I'd see the day where I'd actually be glad for post-sale feature paywalling, but this can only make roads (and pedestrians) safer.
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And this is why we have Android Auto. Unfortunately, the infotainment system in the Ford Edge I rented last year was so bad it even screwed up AA, an impressive and annoying accomplishment.
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Oopsie.
Apparently they did remove the safety driver. Only to put them in the car trailing behind the robotaxi.
Now, that's a genius move.
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Totally... I feel like people are overreading this. It's not the start of some industry-wide subscription trend or an indication that Tesla has some kind of massive capability advantage that's worth paying for, it's an incredibly bearish sign for Tesla...
Even a base model Rav 4 or CR-V comes with lane-keeping standard now. Does Tesla still have an edge over other manufactures for lane-keeping... maybe, but the gap is sure closing. The lane keeping in my Kia EV9 is about 95% as good as 'autopilot' was in the model 3 it replaced 6 months ago, and it actually has even more functionality (it will auto-lane change at the driver's request, which autopilot won't do. It feels like the car is going to veer off the road every time though, so I don't actually use it).
This is sheer financial desperation, and it makes me wonder if my already massively pessimistic outlook on Tesla's business needs to be revised down even further.
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Reminds me of the seated heats with jeeps that went subscription only. You want optional features like airbags and climate control? That's part of the driver's plus package at only $49.99, but today we are having a holiday special if you buy 5 years upfront you get it for only $39.99 a month, so most people do that
Edit: There's a typo there, but I'm opting to leave it
Edit: There's a typo there, but I'm opting to leave it
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My buddy can't open the glove box in his Tesla without screwing around on that stupid screen. That alone makes it, in my considered opinion, a car designed by idiots. I wouldn't drive one if you gave it to me as a gift - especially if I have to pay fees forever for the privilege. I can't believe people buy these cars.
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Ha ha! Since the overall goal is to increase the cost of ownership and give very poor Muskrat even more money...
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Those are the only two features of FSD that actually work, currently. I say this as a full-fat FSD owner...
So I guess they had no choice but to paywall them because, otherwise, why would anyone buy FSD?
I still will probably not be a repeat customer. Tired of the wait to get what I paid for a decade ago.
So I guess they had no choice but to paywall them because, otherwise, why would anyone buy FSD?
I still will probably not be a repeat customer. Tired of the wait to get what I paid for a decade ago.
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They all seem to be unwilling to take the first step of significantly reducing upfront costs. I'd consider paying monthly for a car feature if I could get the car for 50% of what it costs now. As it stands, they want to charge you more upfront for features, and then charge you when you use those features.
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How is that any different than every other optional feature for every other vehicle manufacturer?
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"the $99/month for supervised FSD will rise as FSD’s capabilities improve. The massive value jump is when you can be on your phone or sleeping for the entire ride (unsupervised FSD).”
His irresistable urge to make statements that eventually end up making him look ever more foolish than before, is one quality I like about Musk.
His irresistable urge to make statements that eventually end up making him look ever more foolish than before, is one quality I like about Musk.
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"...now hope to make themselves more attractive to investors" but not the customers? Shareholder capitalism at its finest.
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I don't know whether to be impressed or scared that this guy remembers online arguments they had 8 years ago.
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Ummm... I'm a 787 Captain, been flying since 1987. Never heard of airliner that can take off or taxi - yet. Maybe little turboprops or singles. And as for auto landings (of which I think I've done maybe 3-4 in my entire career) the autopilot is literally only about half as capable as I am - I can land with twice the crosswind the autopilot is certified for. And if I had a dime for every time I've had to intervene when the autopilot did something unexpected over the years... Well, I could probably afford a nice cup of coffee, or something. We ain't there yet, and I sure wouldn't trust FSD or anything like it in a much more dynamic traffic environment like on a busy city street.
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This is possibly my favorite logical paradox Tesla shills are currently promoting:
Tesla has solved autonomy, as proved by robotaxi.
Tesla FSD is amazing but the mistakes it makes are because it's a different stack than the robotaxi software.
Tesla FSD is going to be converted into full autonomy any day now(tm).
So... Why isn't FSD using the RoboTaxi stack if it's solved?
The implication is Tesla has solved autonomy but is intentionally holding back the allegedly safer software from people who already paid for it... For some reason.
So yeah, they're either irresponsibly holding back safer software from people who already paid for it or they're irresponsibly testing unsafe software on public roads.
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Odds that the "subscription" comes with a TOS agreement and that the TOS agreement assigns liability to the owner, puts cases into arbitration or a friendly court, and otherwise limits Tesla's risk?
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I agree. Lane keeping felt like it was fighting me. If I drift to the centre line there’s a reason, like a bike or pedestrian on the shoulder. If I drift toward the shoulder there is a reason, like someone oncoming is close to the line. I am pilot in command and I don’t want the car second guessing me.
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