This new charger lets all EVs plug in without an adapter
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Wait, is this “new” new, or like its 2020 and America is kinda embracing chip and pin cards “new”?
Because we’ve had chargers with both connections and a pair of cables here just across the border in BC for years. Not every charger, but most that I’ve had to use are either the dual type, or Tesla superchargers.
So unless I’m missing something due to lack of caffeine this morning, I’m not seeing anything revolutionary here
Because we’ve had chargers with both connections and a pair of cables here just across the border in BC for years. Not every charger, but most that I’ve had to use are either the dual type, or Tesla superchargers.
So unless I’m missing something due to lack of caffeine this morning, I’m not seeing anything revolutionary here
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Glad there is an adapter, more flexibility for charging is great and allows Tesla owners some flexibility in charging, but that looks like an awful lot of weight to hang off the inch and a half or so that goes into a Tesla charging port.
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"Legally distinct Magic Dock"
Good to see someone else making it happen, but they did it the wrong way around IMO. One of the perks of NACS is the smaller, more elegant handle/plug. This combines all of the bulky negatives of CCS with the added bulk of the adapter.
Good to see someone else making it happen, but they did it the wrong way around IMO. One of the perks of NACS is the smaller, more elegant handle/plug. This combines all of the bulky negatives of CCS with the added bulk of the adapter.
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So, just like ChargePoint's old CCS + Chademo except swapping in J3400 for Chademo. HUGE innovation.
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Or we can standardize the charging elements so that an adapter can work while changes and advancements can be utilized. We had enough crap phone chargers to see the waste that creates.
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So, the adapter is built-in to the charging station. When you select which plug you need, then it will either release the charging connector with or without the adapter attached. Not two separate cables. The article doesn't make that very clear.
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There is slightly more to that. Designing a connector to handle the power levels of DC fast charging while also automatically selecting the correct adapter and making it seamless to the user is a pretty big accomplishment.
Not everything has to be the biggest technological achievement, making something boring, reliable, and intuitive is really what we need to be striving for with charging at the moment.
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It isn't but it is a sign that Chargepoint is accepting the NACS future. Going from CCS to dual CCS + NACS and probably in 10 years or so as the CCS connectors wear out slowly start getting rid of them.
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The machine featured in the photo is a level 2 charger and has two charge ports. Moving to have 4 cables on the charging station would likely be confusing to people.
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It really isn't a big accomplishment. It is nice for users in the transition but Chargepoint has been doing this for a decade now it was just CCS + Chademo. Now it is CCS + NACS. It is smart on the point of chargepoint to skate to where the puck is going and it will be useful for consumers but the pieces were largely already in place they just had to reconfigure them a bit and update the software.
The bad news for existing users is it makes Chademo die a bit faster.
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Nope, you pull up, open the chargepoint app, say I'm using a CCS or J3400 and when you remove the charging cable it has the right end on it.
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The J1772 connector shown is not really bulky at all. These machines just have a built in dongle for the J3400. So Tesla's won't have to bring their own adaptor.
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This approach is actually a pretty big deal for those stuck with a Leaf, as it means that chademo plugs can continue to be used.
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Yeah the article seems to indicate the exact opposite. It isn't two cables. There are two cables in the photo because it is two charging ports. EACH port is both CCS1 + NACS.
Here is another article with a video.
https://electrek.co/2024/08/08/char...-port-combines-tesla-other-ev-plugs-into-one/
So it is essentially a reverse magic dock. If you want CCS1 it releases just the cable and the adapter stays inside the charger. If you want NACS it releases the cable with the adapter attached.
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Honestly, Lightning would be an awesome name for a charging connection.
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That cable is pretty obviously has a J1772. It is too round to have the two DC prongs of the CCS1 connection.
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I thought that at first due to the wording of the article but it is actually like a reverse magic dock. EACH cable is both CCS1 + NACS.
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I don't understand why people are so against the bulk of the CCS plug. Sure the Tesla is sexier but it's not like I'm carrying the thing around with me all day-- it's attached to the charger.
The biggest thing that needs to happen is to have long enough cables to work for various charging port locations on cars. Charging my Rivian at a Tesla Supercharger requires taking 2 parking spots due to how short the cables are.
The biggest thing that needs to happen is to have long enough cables to work for various charging port locations on cars. Charging my Rivian at a Tesla Supercharger requires taking 2 parking spots due to how short the cables are.
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Longer cord, more copper to steal.
To be constructive, how long will it be before the cords retract into the charger and only release when there is a customer signed in?
To be constructive, how long will it be before the cords retract into the charger and only release when there is a customer signed in?
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No idea why the ars article is showing the J1772 cable but that would only be l2 charging
They are also upgrading the Fast DC chargers which is likely more important (passive AC only NACS to J1772 adapters are tiny and cheap).
The same cable first in CCS1 mode (without the adapter which remains inside the charger if you select CCS).
Later the same cable but in NACS mode (the CCS1 to NACS adapter remains attached when removing the cable from charger if you select NACS)
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I think this needs to be re-worded, because as it's written it's incorrect. There aren't separate cables, the station either adds the adaptor or not depending on the choice that is picked in the app. It's not like the Magic Dock, which has a separate CCS cable. Edit: Okay dumb mistake on my Magic Dock comment, the article is still incorrect on how the ChargePoint Omni functions.
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They're actually doing it to both types. The one in the photo is a L2 charger, and is a retrofit to a model that I use on a regular basis.
https://www.chargepoint.com/businesses/stations/cp6000
They are also doing this for CCS1 as well on the other model.
But the photo is for an L2 station. I have no idea why Ars choose to feature the L2 plug on their article's headline image. Its also in the file name: ChargePoint_Omni_AC-copy.png
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Not to mention the fact that when CSS demand drops and NACS is ubiquitous then you could just remove the NACS-to-CSS dongle and still have a fully functional charger. If this CSS-to-NACS dongle is lost/damaged then the charger is less useful as NACS usage increases.
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By the time that happens you will likely have replaced the charge port a few times already. When they start to phase out CCS1 they will just start replacing broken dual plug capable cables/connectors with a NACS only native ones.
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This sounds the same as in Norway (the only place I've used and electric car), where a single charger can have two cables. I don't see the innocation here. Chademo (which I used for my rental car) and CCS.
Then again this comment might not be innovative, as other's have made similar comments
Then again this comment might not be innovative, as other's have made similar comments
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The article worded it very weird. It isn't a charger with two cords. It is one cord which can be used for either CCS or NACS for Fast DC charging. See photos in post above.
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Magic dock doesn't have a seperate CCS cable hence the "dock" and "magic". This is essentially a reversed magic dock. I do agree though the article either missed the point or it was worded terribly.
The idea is both NACS and CCS1 charging using a SINGLE cable. The photos show multiple cables because the are chargers to support two cars at the same time.
The charger on the left can be either CCS1 or NACS. The charger on the right can also be CCS1 or NACS.
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The description in the article is unclear; what's shown in the photo appears to be an adapter that may or may not be released together with the cable depending on which plug your car has. So you still get two cars per charger, regardless of which of the two connectors they need. That's different from having one Tesla and one CCS connector.
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Magic Dock does not have a separate CCS cable. Magic Dock uses a single cable with a tethered adapter.
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They're doing both, from your link:
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The CP6000 is an L2 station.
This aligns with the image at the top of the Ars article, which is very much smaller than the CCS1 adapter from the video.
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Oof. That is confusing to use the same name for L2 and Fast DC charging. MBAs.They're doing both, from your link:
The CP6000 is an L2 station.
This aligns with the image at the top of the Ars article, which is very much smaller than the CCS1 adapter from the video.
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I was hoping for a cable without an adapter. There are a certain kind of "person" who love unplugging EV's forcibly because they lock the adapter in, rather than the whole plug. Moving to a unified plug stops that little problem.
Looking at you the guy I got on camera in airport parking unplugging my car...
Looking at you the guy I got on camera in airport parking unplugging my car...
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It is impressively bulky. I guess the latches and circuitry for allowing it to automatically attach and detach the NACS "tip" as needed adds even more bulk.
As someone pointed out going with a native NACS cable and a CCS1 adapter on the end would be a lot less bulk.
At the end of the day though more dual capable fast dc chargers is a good thing. The transition to NACS is going to take two decades. I figure in 7-10 years though most chargers will be going NACS only because 95%+ of plugin vehicles on the road are now NACS native. As magic dock and omni plug hardware wears out and breaks it will be replaced with NACS only chargers. I think eventually even J1772 only L2 chargers will be replaced with native NACS chargers. The remaining "legacy" CCS users will just have to use a portable adapter for the next 10 years so so before even those are rare as the vehicles reach end of life.
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