World’s first global AI resolution unanimously adopted by United Nations

Make it binding and politicians in US will scream 'undermining US sovereignty' - esp. from MAGA Republicans.
They're probably doing that anyway, so might as well go ahead and do it.

Just like running someone that's not a worthless centrist like Joe Biden. They're gonna call everyone that's not Trump in the current moment a socialist anyway. Whether they are one or not.
 
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Korios

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“Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind.”

didn't make the cut.
It's interesting that while this is from Dune it also applies to Asimov's Foundation.
In Dune this was after the bloody Butlerian Jihad and in Foundation a single machine led to the Genetic Dynasty..
 
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Korios

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For those mentioning the 'non-binding' bit, the UN General Assembly usually reaches non binding agreements.
But the UN Security Council's decisions are almost always binding.

Since the General Assembly voted unanimously this means that, if required, the Security Council would also vote unanimously on this.

The fact that they still haven't means that AI is not (yet) considered a security threat.
 
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JoHBE

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Ah yes, the nonbinding unenforceable UN resolution, the true bedrock of global stability.
The question is not ever gonna be "Is it perfect", or "Is it what we need" or "Does it live up to expectations?"

It's a near-miracle that a body like the UN even EXISTS, so "Is it better than NOTHING?" Is a more reasonable question and expectation.
 
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jerminator

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Remind me again what GOOD is the United Nations besides passing resolutions with no teeth or enforcement and spending lots of money! I am sure Roosevelt is rolling in his grave at the baloney this world have become.

I'm pretty sure the people saved for example after the 2004 tsunami or children helped by UNICEF would say it does quite a lot of good.
However it's also inefficient and bloated as are many large organizations.
 
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xcodemustdie

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So is it safe to assume Russia and China immediately violated the agreement while laughing at everyone else?

Edit: these are the same clowns that repeatedly told Russia to leave Ukraine with "strong words" while opposing kinetic encouragment. Not looking like an effective tactic...
Whilst I agree with the sentiment, if you look over the last 50 years the country that leads the way with most Veto's is USA. They didn't veto anything before 1970 but have been making up for it ever since
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_vetoed_United_Nations_Security_Council_resolutions

What to do?
Obviously Ban Veto's, but then of course USA,China, russia will just pull out of the UN
 
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gavron

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The UN has outlived any usefulness it ever had.

They can't come to a binding resolution on anything.

They let terrorists ran rampat in their organisation like UNRWA.

They rename UNICEF (hint: the E is for Education, not some random "children's fund").

They have decades of their "troops" smuggling drugs across borders

The US pays over half of their entire budget.

This is a failed experiment. Sell the building and return the "diplomats" back to the cells in which they should be incarcerated for their crimes against humanity.

They have something to say about AI? Nonbinding? Worthless? Stupid criminal assholes.
 
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richierocks

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The link to the text wasn't working for me; here's a link that works.

https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/4040897?v=pdf
Related, the UN AI Advisory Body has a report on why AI needs global regulations and some ideas for how they should be implemented.

https://www.un.org/en/ai-advisory-body
For those of you who prefer listening to reading, I recently interviewed Ian Bremmer and Jimena Viveros on their work in his advisry body.

https://www.datacamp.com/podcast/ho...overnance-with-ian-bremmer-and-jimena-viveros
 
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GrimPloughman

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Make it binding and politicians in US will scream 'undermining US sovereignty' - esp. from MAGA Republicans.
Europe is slowly moving forward with provisional agreements to regulate AI and is close to implementing the world's first comprehensive AI regulations. Meanwhile, the US government still lacks consensus on legislative action related to AI regulation

This is the difference that Europe is pro regulations, and the US is pro freedom and capitalism. Because of that Europe is better at respecting human rights and the US has Silicon Valley and Elon Musk. I wonder if it's possible to have both.
 
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It's interesting that while this is from Dune it also applies to Asimov's Foundation.
In Dune this was after the bloody Butlerian Jihad and in Foundation a single machine led to the Genetic Dynasty..

Don't forget about the Men of Iron. Something tells me those guys can't be trusted.
 
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how to you keep countries with wildly opposing interests in the same room?
You don't, unless you have the power to make the consequences of leaving the room worse than the consequences of staying. Power's first (and frequently only) duty is to itself. Those who cannot or will not love must be made to fear. Few U.N. resolutions are anything more than "thoughts and prayers."
 
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Remind me again what GOOD is the United Nations besides passing resolutions with no teeth or enforcement and spending lots of money! I am sure Roosevelt is rolling in his grave at the baloney this world have become.
What enforcement except a handful of divisions ready to wreck havoc on the offending nation?
 
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maxoakland

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Best I can do is a life of leisure where you pursue your art for personal fulfillment, not profit...
Oh yeah, keep selling that UBI pipe dream. No one is falling for it

Meanwhile, AI is being used to replace artists, forcing people into jobs that haven’t been replaced by AI. Like the ones people actually don’t want to do
 
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Quisquis

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Oh yeah, keep selling that UBI pipe dream. No one is falling for it
Not what I think we should do.
Meanwhile, AI is being used to replace artists, forcing people into jobs that haven’t been replaced by AI. Like the ones people actually don’t want to do
Gotta fight for it. Sorry... doesn't change that it's the way forward; railing against technology won't help
 
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This is the difference that Europe is pro regulations, and the US is pro freedom and capitalism. Because of that Europe is better at respecting human rights and the US has Silicon Valley and Elon Musk. I wonder if it's possible to have both.
Wait, you're saying there might be a way to not have Elon Musk, scores of other rich sociopaths, and have human rights too? Sign me up!
 
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Meanwhile, AI is being used to replace artists, forcing people into jobs that haven’t been replaced by AI. Like the ones people actually don’t want to do
If you are being replaced by the current spectrum of AI tools, then being an artist probably is not the best career path for you. the only real creatives who should fear losing to AI, are the ones unwilling to adapt and learn.
 
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irvinky

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yeah the same organization who prevents genocides

/s
You can see the same degradation of intelligent posting on Ars that was noticeable from Reddit starting a good ten years ago.

You know who undermines the United Nations and spreads propaganda to undermine the UN and wants you, the public, to help them do the same on social media?

Fascists and countries who cause genocide.

I had to scroll way too far to find the non-reactionary posts that require more than three seconds of thought.

Here's another way to look at it. If you are repeating a Trumpism, you should probably stop. Good fallacies contain hints of truth, which is why you think you're smart to post this and is why both sideisms and other fallacies are spread so far and wide across social media. We will never make it far enough for AI to to cause the singularity, because humans don't seem intelligent enough to get past social media in the first place.
 
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EnPeaSea

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You can see the same degradation of intelligent posting on Ars that was noticeable from Reddit starting a good ten years ago.

You know who undermines the United Nations and spreads propaganda to undermine the UN and wants you, the public, to help them do the same on social media?

Fascists and countries who cause genocide.

I had to scroll way too far to find the non-reactionary posts that require more than three seconds of thought.

Here's another way to look at it. If you are repeating a Trumpism, you should probably stop. Good fallacies contain hints of truth, which is why you think you're smart to post this and is why both sideisms and other fallacies are spread so far and wide across social media. We will never make it far enough for AI to to cause the singularity, because humans don't seem intelligent enough to get past social media in the first place.
Describing what the UN actually does to even mitigate fascism and genocide that isn't the international relations equivalent of "thoughs and prayers" would be a better flex of your superior intelligence than brow-beating a sarcastic statement that sounds like a Trumpism.
 
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The League of Nations (UN)was formed to prevent a repetition of the First (second) World War, but within two (eight) decades this effort failed. Economic depression, renewed nationalism, weakened successor states, and feelings of humiliation (particularly in Germany (Russia)) eventually contributed to World War II (III).
Looking at the history of human warfare 8 decades is a long ass time.
 
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If you are being replaced by the current spectrum of AI tools, then being an artist probably is not the best career path for you. the only real creatives who should fear losing to AI, are the ones unwilling to adapt and learn.
Of course, it’s the artists fault. Because reasons. We should just bend over for the tech industry and let them do whatever they want
 
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irvinky

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Describing what the UN actually does to even mitigate fascism and genocide that isn't the international relations equivalent of "thoughs and prayers" would be a better flex of your superior intelligence than brow-beating a sarcastic statement that sounds like a Trumpism.
No, it's not just about the UN; you are the same likes who hasn't figured out that Russia has been psy-opping the progressives almost as badly as MAGA since 2015 or earlier. It's been Putin's playbook for over 25 years and now social media makes it easier than ever.

Since I invoked Trump's name already, look at yesterday's "big news." A bunch of progressives helping MAGA by publishing the end of democracy and utter hopelessness due to their inability to actually read and understand articles and context, due to their own reactionary, feeling-based, conservative online behaviors. Trump never said he had $500 billion, he's smart enough to say almost, and virtually nobody online has enough nuance to do anything but jump to conclusions.

It's not on me to explain why bad-mouthing a toothless institution is anything but conservative behavior. I barely post, I am not the one rushing to the keyboard with mindless criticism at every inflaming headline.

I would suggest reading up on some WW2 but you can't even figure out what they've been doing on social media the past ten years. I don't think I'm smart, I'm just intelligent enough to see the shitshow that is literally every online comment section, even the "good" ones, because commenting online promotes conservative behavior: non-experts sharing their opinions, with very little thought, where the quickest and most rushed comments are rewarded the most, where upvotes and downvotes most reward fallacies and "centrist" position. So you can continue being a reactionary and insult me for feeling smarter than all the people who have been trained to think cynically instead of critically, or you can go back and read the thread and see what I'm talking about, once you get past the highly upvoted reactionaries you start to find the opinions that actually are considerate, reflective, and worth reading.
 
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No, it's not just about the UN; you are the same likes... I would suggest reading up on some WW2 but you can't even figure out what they've been doing on social media the past ten years.

I am stressing to you that berating the person you are talking to parctically ensures they doesn't consider anything that follows.

I know full well "Russia has been psy-opping the progressives," thank you very much.

I am challenging you to be better; I know the politics and nuances.
 
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Of course, it’s the artists fault. Because reasons. We should just bend over for the tech industry and let them do whatever they want
Yes, reasons. Very good ones. Weird technologies will come along and change your job. You can swim, sail, or just sink. Had a family member who was an entry-level graphic designer at an ad agency when the first Macintosh arrived. The old veterans moaned about how this would replace them. My family member and his friend, who had worked in ink and paper their entire lives, went out and trained themselves to design on a computer. Fast forward and they both became the art directors for the entire ad agency.

Use the creativity you have and learn the skill of using this new tool and if you're truly at risk by something that currently fails at its task more than half the time, then art might not be for you. I think that if it is your passion, you will adapt.
 
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