Epic says it's retaliation for public criticism; Apple says it can't trust Epic's promises.
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DMA be damned, Apple cuts off path to Epic Games Store, Fortnite on EU iPhones
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Clearly Apple thinks the legal risk outweighs the reward of this move. That's good enough for me and should be good enough for you. Psychopaths only respond to threats of harm or actual harm to themselves.
Not true, in the real world most of these situations don't go to court if there isn't an overwhelming case in one side's favor.
Sure, once EGS gets over 45 million users in the EU they should be subject to similar rules. Sounds good to me
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‘Yep. I said all of those things. And I stand by each statement in the context in which it was made.
That’s all folks.
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Not past page 1 there isn't.
Lmfao, go ahead and quote my posts and explain how they're just bitching. Outside of the occasional complain about the rest getting downvoted, all the rest are well reasoned criticisms based on the impact of anti-competitive behaviour. Hell my post above factually explaining the literal basis capitalism as a geo political system are downvoted to hell just because competition being the root of capitalism makes apple's anti-competitive behaviour look bad.
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Which is interesting - because it means the commission is communicating with Apple regarding what they consider definitely non-compliant.
Which implies that Apple's rules that many people think must be non-compliant, didn't produce the same response from the commission.
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This is a very good point! Seems like the EU is fine with Apple having some degree of overall control, and the dream of being able to publish apps that go against teracorp wishes (eg strip out ads or download videos from YouTube without paying for premium) is dead
It was just the way they used it against Epic here was problematic
I concede this, thanks for pointing it out!
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I wouldn't read that into it. The rest are malicious compliance at best, and will be being assessed now they've come into force.
The Epic ban was so far over the line it was ridiculous, and managed to trigger an immediate investigatory response from the Commissioner.
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So you admit that there are apple critical posts with a net positive vote. They just aren’t your posts.
that must mean you are bitching because YOUR votes get downvoted consistently, not all posts critical of Apple. Seems like consistent variable is you. Might want to reflect on that.
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Lol, no, once in a while I happen to comment soon enough after publish that it's on the front page and I get a few upvotes from the reasonable people who abandon the cesspool of Apple fandom after that.
I'm questioning why so many Apple fanbois keep on continuously flooding the comments to white knight a trillion dollar corporation?
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That doesn't really say anything about those rules compliance or non-compliance, just how pressing the impact is.
So far, the EU has stepped in and forced Apple to walk back any changes to their current system that negatively impacted users, be that people using PWAs, third party developers relying on Unreal Engine, or Epic themselves. Those are the most pressing issues to crack down on, both to protect users, and to not allow a company to falsely paint the DMA as the problem when it was their own malicious non-compliance.
The rules that Epic, Spotify, and every single third party developer have complained about though, are rules for a new system that no one is dependent on yet. Assessing that system's compliance with the DMA is inherently less pressing and will likely happen after they've had a chance to read through their compliance reports, and see any actual new launches or changes in the market.
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Surely you're smarter than this? I'm sure you can make your argument more robust than "consistent variable is you".
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"apple fanbois" is trollish for "I have no rational arguments"
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williamlondon
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The child has spoken and thinks his comment is clever and original, and is laughing all by himself. A real gotcha moment demonstrating nothing but utter immaturity.
They're all the same.
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I'd say calling someone a "rectal tongue swirler" is much more childish than that. wouldn't you agree?
edit: as you did here: https://meincmagazine.com/civis/threads/tesla-whistleblower-calls-cars-with-autopilot-“experiments-in-public-roads”.1497516/post-42413380
and might I add, Elon Musk is a Nazi and his fans are unbearable. But as a grown adult I would never use the term "rectal tongue swirler", or anything in that vicinity.
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What does accuracy have to do with childishness? Something can be both accurate (as you undoubtedly were in that comment!) and expressed in a childish manner
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I think some people have a difficult time understanding that some people (even despite our technical background) do not care about side loading. You can go on and on and tell me about the benefits but you already lost me by failing to understand that it’s not even a blip on my radar.
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Your username is literally "Penguin Warlord" and you're wondering why people still engage in juvenile platform wars?
Really?
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Can you explain why you think my username is provoking a flame war?
You see a lot of Penguin Pacifists and Penguin Peaceniks in these threads?
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Ad hominem fallacy.
Easier to attack you directly than trying to win or prove their side of a debate. You see that a lot on here, which is surprising.
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Gee - who would make an ad hominem argument around here
Oh yeh - the guy you're defending
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A) making a broad criticism of the general overall tone of the comments is not an ad hominem attack, nor is characterizing people rushing into the comments to defend Apple inaccurate
B) even if you had thin enough skin that you considered it to be, I still fail to see what my username has to do with it.
i.e. I don't think you blindly defend a trillion dollar monopoly because of your username, I think you do because of the content of your comments.
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Actually you're clearly implying that anybody who takes the view opposing to yours is doing so for reasons that are 'questionable' and then ascribing to them motives of 'white knighting' rather than trying to win your side of the debate.
As fotoman says, it happens a lot around here.
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I'm not using white knighting to imply motive, I'm using it to describe behaviour. Lots of people rushing in here to defend a trillion dollar corporation against regulators protecting their constituents, or more accurately, rushing in here to downvote anyone who presents the same arguments the regulators do.
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I think a big problem is, short term memory loss.
Epic has been 'bad' in recent memory, while Apple has been 'nice' in recent memory. Neither company is morally good, but becuase of it...people get mad at people supporting Epic's legal and valid claim.
By law, Epic was good to go, Apple was in the wrong.
Epic has been 'bad' in recent memory, while Apple has been 'nice' in recent memory. Neither company is morally good, but becuase of it...people get mad at people supporting Epic's legal and valid claim.
By law, Epic was good to go, Apple was in the wrong.
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Yes, it is inaccurate to say that people are "rushing into the comments to defend Apple". There are people who are defending Apple, those who are criticizing them, and those who are criticizing both sides (EC and Apple). A downvote is not necessarily a defense of Apple. it could be a judgement of the soundness of an argument. I've downvoted people who are defending my point of view badly plenty of times.
You've been a member of the Ars forum for about as long as I have, so it is impossible for you to convince me that you do not know what your name suggests to those of us who've been participating on this forum since the days of rampant platform flamewars consuming the internet (including Ars). So to pretend that you somehow don't understand how people can defend a platform based on platform tribalism is disingenuous trolling.
And that last bit at the end is the most ironic. When you judge others comments, you are clearly judging them by their content, but everyone else is judging yours becuase they are rabid fanbois. Ultimately, your arguments are weak, which is why they keep getting downvoted, and your persistent hissy fit about it is both sad, and annoying, which is probably earning you even more downvotes. Reasonable minds can disagree over the EC and Apple's response. That your opinion is apparently not the majority does not mean you need to keep attacking everyone else's motivations for downvoting you.
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Lmfao, this is literally the first time I've ever considered my username's potential connection to Linux. It's a gamertag from when I was in grade 7, before I even knew what Linux was, the preceeding gamertags were d_angry_pineapple and avenging_kitty if you want an idea where my grade 7 mind was at. I've used Windows my whole life, minus being forced to use MacOS for web development (because of Apple's monopolistic behaviour).
They're the same arguments presented by EU regulators.
Agreed, but not here apparently. Here if you present the same arguments made by EU regulators you get immediately downvoted with no actual responses critiquing the content of your argument.
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And if you don't think people are "rushing in to defend Apple", how do you explain the very first comment to this article being absolutely asinine and still sitting having 90 upvotes?
It's arguing that developers who just won a censorship battle against Apple should respond to their victory by self censoring and stop criticizing Apple.
It's illogical on it's face, but it's pro Apple, so 90 people went "yeah! people should stop criticizing apple!"
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When the are on apple's side doesn't turn defending the facts into defending apple.
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I mean, that's trivially easy. A lot (and I mean a lot) of people really, really dislike Tim Sweeney, and that post is basically telling him off. Consider, for just a second, that maybe not every upvote or downvote is analogous to "yay apple" or "boo apple"
Calling the Epic/Apple dispute a "censorship battle" is a streeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetch. But even if we accept that framing - as opposed to the one where it's a battle over revenue splits between multibillion dollar amoral corporations where the consumer is almost certain to lose no matter who wins - there's still no reason to consider an upvote as necessarily "woo apple" as opposed to "please god let Sweeney shut up now."
Your primary problem with these discussions is that you seem to be framing every aspect as either pro-Apple or anti-Apple, when there are countless other axes people could be and are evaluating when determining if or how to cast their up/down votes.
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It is not at all a stretch in the context of that article, which was specifically about how Apple cancelled Epic's developer account for criticizing their DMA plan.
Fair enough but that was one example. Go through the front page of these comments and you won't see a single criticism of Apple with less than 50 downvotes. Go through any of the comments and try and find ones that are critical of apple and aren't downvoted. Even if I didn't, someone should have been able to make a well reasoned comment that wasn't just blindly downvoted, and yet, all criticisms of Apple are downvoted.
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I like how you acknowledge the need for an argument to be well reasoned to earn an up vote, but then fail to address that factor in the very next line where you are complaining about downvotes (are you sure any of the are actually well reasoned?)
Keep in mind that the first page is always a dogpile, regardless of whether or not Apple is involved. Most arsians don’t come back over and over again to the discussion section of an article. Most read it in the first few hours it is up. Maybe they read a page or two of comments, and then they move on with their life. A net 60 vote difference on the first page of comments to an article with literally several hundred votes on the first few comments is actually a small difference. It’s not much better than a split vote.
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Again, why are there no comments critical of Apple without a substantial number of downvotes?
If, like you said, reasonable people can disagree about the ruling, then why is literally every single Apple criticism downvoted to hell? People are literally coming in here to defend a trillion dollar corporation making 10 BILLION dollars in profit a year off the app store, after costs, which is literally just rent-seeking and stealing money from the developers who are making the shit you use. There is nothing special about iOS that requires a 30% commission over literally any other OS or web browser.
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You are sooo bad at this. You keep bitching about the downvotes, but don't give anyone a reason to upvote your comments.
Yes, Apple is a billion dollar company. That does not automatically make criticism of them valid or well reasoned.
Case in point, the 30% commission is bog-standard across platforms. Xbox, Playstation, Nintendo, Steam, and Google Play all use some similar variation on the 30% commission. Therefore, criticizing Apple for charging 30%, without also throwing shade at literally every other platform out there, is just an example of a bad argument. It is restricted to Apple because you don't like Apple not because it is a particularly valid argument against Apple specifically. That you don't address these other platforms indicates you are less concerned with commissions in general, than with Apple charging commissions. That is not a "well reasoned" criticism. It is a hack job of a criticism, because it absolutely oozes bias and inconsistent thought.
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Wny are only people who are wrong getting downvoted! it's so unfair! I'm being oppressed!
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