Russia seems to have lost contact with its first lunar probe in half a century
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I called it several days ago. I'm sure they will blame an American astronaut for drilling holes in it or some other gonzo excuse.
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If I said what I really thought of them the mods would probably come down on me like a ton of bricks, and not without reason.
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But Mr. Putin, we did just as you asked and put your spacecraft on the Moon ahead of India.
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Nora Lenderbee
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This quote from a Reuters article:
"The apparatus moved into an unpredictable orbit and ceased to exist as a result of a collision with the surface of the Moon," Roskosmos said in a statement.
That's rather clearly stated, and it seems unusual that Roskosmos would so quickly state - assuming that it's an accurate quote.
"The apparatus moved into an unpredictable orbit and ceased to exist as a result of a collision with the surface of the Moon," Roskosmos said in a statement.
That's rather clearly stated, and it seems unusual that Roskosmos would so quickly state - assuming that it's an accurate quote.
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Called this last week responding to a comment that the launch means Russia is going to beat India. I didn't want to jinx it last night, in case they somehow ended up pulling it off like Nauka in spite massive technical faults, but sadly this was always a likely possibility. I mean anything in this arena is fairly risky, but Russia's space program has degraded to the point that you have to expect failure as the most likely outcome. The really sad part is it is happening at a time when technology is lowering the barriers for entry and letting others like India stretch themselves. Just one more mile marker on Russia's road to a failed state.
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It’s an interesting barometer of just how thoroughly Russia has turned the entire world against themselves.
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Yeah, they did the same thing to this Austrian/German guy back in the Thirties and Forties.
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The Moon's claimed quite a few victims lately. (Not that I was rooting for a Russian success, given their horrific actions in Ukraine...)
Technologically, the world seems to have a pretty good handle on low earth orbit and geosynchronous orbit, but clearly the Moon is a tier up in difficulty.
Here's hoping the Astrobotic lander and ISRO landers are able to break the combo...
Technologically, the world seems to have a pretty good handle on low earth orbit and geosynchronous orbit, but clearly the Moon is a tier up in difficulty.
Here's hoping the Astrobotic lander and ISRO landers are able to break the combo...
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I'd love to learn that it was because of Ukrainian interference (maybe sending the probe false commands).
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Well maybe it wouldn't be if they stopped genociding people.
I wish them all the success they fully deserve.
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I am SO DELIGHTED!!! For the first time in my life, I REALLY wanted a space mission to fail and I have gotten my wish.
Now I want India's Chandrayaan-3 mission to be a smashing success so Ruzzians can become more aware that they are nothing but a backwater shithole country.
Fuck Putin and Fuck Russia.
Now I want India's Chandrayaan-3 mission to be a smashing success so Ruzzians can become more aware that they are nothing but a backwater shithole country.
Fuck Putin and Fuck Russia.
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But sir, didn't I understand correctly when you ordered a "special operation" to the moon to "collect samples"?
Oh I see, you did not wink. It really was a special operation to collect samples.
Dude "falls" out of the window.
Oh I see, you did not wink. It really was a special operation to collect samples.
Dude "falls" out of the window.
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When it comes to Russia, you cannot separate the geopolitics from the science. If you oppose Russia's genocidal rampage in Ukraine—and their belligerence in general—then you must celebrate their failure in all things.
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A growing number of people will suggest that would be the end result of late stage capitalism as well.
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The Original Poster was pointing out that 70 degrees south more-or-less isn't all that close to any body's rotational pole.
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To paraphrase the Barbie movie: Russia worked very hard to earn the hatred of most of the world, and they deserve it.
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Well, duh, and I say that as someone who usually would rather read informative breakdowns of the technical issues that resulted in a failure, but come on! Given the current geopolitical situation I hardly expected anything other than the multipage schadenfreude celebration we are getting.
Sometimes you have to just wait and watch the parade pass by...
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Personally, I wouldn't let Putin anywhere near my balls. I don't have that much respect for him.
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Should the Allies have bemoaned the failures of the V-2 rocket while it was being developed by Nazi Germany? It was advancing science after all.
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I feel sorry for the plebs... are gulags still a thing? I'm sure they are...
But as far as Russia and any 'glory' they may have gained from a successful mission... Good, couldn't have happened to a shittier global citizen.
But as far as Russia and any 'glory' they may have gained from a successful mission... Good, couldn't have happened to a shittier global citizen.
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The hate is well-deserved. They have zero chance of building any goodwill around the world until they exit all of Ukraine and Putin is deposed (or even better) dead.
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Лололололололололол
I celebrate this new failure of the terrorist state of russia!
I celebrate this new failure of the terrorist state of russia!
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I imagine Russians are feeling like Carrie at the end of the 1976 movie, with her mom's voice repeating in her head: They're all going to laugh at you! They're all going to laugh at you!
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Sounds like you're predicting murder/suicide by nuclear hellfire?
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You mean before 2014? or before 2008, or before 1999 or before 1994? or any other dates russians have been murderous dicks to their neighbours?
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I'm sure Russia will blame Ukranian "terrorism" for their failure, despite the fact that they are Hitlering their way through eastern Europe to conquer land masses.
They can't produce their own weaponry and must buy it from humanitarian countries like North Korea, and can't build UAVs so must get those from peace loving countries like Iran... and they can't seem to avoid crashing into things, like the Crimea bridge, Kyev, and now The Moon.
There is no monopoly on common sense, on either side of the political fence -- Sting.
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P.S. Puck Futin.
They can't produce their own weaponry and must buy it from humanitarian countries like North Korea, and can't build UAVs so must get those from peace loving countries like Iran... and they can't seem to avoid crashing into things, like the Crimea bridge, Kyev, and now The Moon.
There is no monopoly on common sense, on either side of the political fence -- Sting.
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P.S. Puck Futin.
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ThatGuyFromEarth
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But many are funny and damned appropriate...
Yes, science should be apolitical, but here you have a country that is actively murdering the citizens of its neighbor for nothing other than the glory of its sad old despotic idiot leader and some delusional and very imaginary past magnificence... it uses any successes for propaganda and to keep its war machine going so it can continue to enrich a select few kleptocrats at the top...
So no, wishing them well is not and should not be on the list of things anyone with an interest in science and technology should be willing to do...
Despotic regimes have no interest in real science and seek to use science only to benefit their select few, otherwise they are an impediment to science, technology and societal evolution in general... even with the Soviets one could argue there was some sort of ideology behind their schemes... here you have a kleptocratic cult of delusional maniacs who have openly expressed a desire to destroy the west... a country that uses brutality, rape and torture as standard operating procedure not only on its victims, but on its own people and is proud of it.
Regimes like Putin's only shit on science and corrupt it with every chance they get... They put state approved idiots with little to no qualifications in charge of real scientists, they promote arrogant idiots who only interfere with and complicate any project when they are not actually diverting resources and funds for their own use.
So if someone who is truly an ally of science and technology sees such a nation fail at such a minor achievement as this, they should be happy... Not because they are being petty and spiteful, but because that failure is a success for real dedication and achievements that actually have real meaning, not some minor experiment that will have more PR value than scientific worth.
It was only a crappy probe that was lost and maybe aside from a few minor project leaders who will be scapegoated, so it's not a big deal to take delight in seeing a bully fail and loose one more bragging right.
I suggest though, that if you really mourn the loss of this probe, look around on Elmo's X, there are probably plenty of individuals there expressing their sadness and confusion over the loss of such a glorious and noble effort to put the west in its place and rightfully show everyone the superiority of the magnificent Russian empire and it's benevolent and wise ruler.
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The future history reader in me was hoping this thing landed successfully and returned some pictures of a glittering pyramid on a nearby hill. Made better by Russia being totally unable to followup on the discovery and having to watch as the Beresheet 2 mission was re-targeted to investigate the pyramid.
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Russia failed with Mars probes in 1996 and 2011. Now failed lunar lander. Maybe they should go all in with Venera-D radar mapper and lander. It could launch on new Angara A5. The Soviet Union sent over two dozen probes to Venus between 1964 and 1984. It would take a lot of money and resources from other current Russian projects.
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I'm not sure I'd like to hand a propaganda victory to a nationalist despot.
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