Twitter quietly edited its hateful conduct policy to drop transgender protections

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    Even using Twitler's own version of "free speech absolutism" which is anything that isn't illegal... these things would constitute hate speech and harassment in the US, and thus are illegal.

    Edit: Also, anyone who put a label on any of Twitler's posts would be hearing a shrill South African accented "you're fired! you're fired! you're fired!" in their immediate future.
     
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    Honestly, I feel like this whole fiasco could be a great study on just how much people are willing to put up with before they make somewhat simple changes (like leaving the site). Even if the things they are putting up with are very fundamentally different from what they view as morally correct. I know plenty of people who disagree with this stuff have left, but I also see a ton of people that still use Twitter and hate what Musk has done. And I'm assuming they still use it just because they always have.
     
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    Musk has said that some advertisers have either returned to Twitter or are planning to soon. However, the WSJ reported that third-party data from market intelligence firm Sensor Tower showed that out of 100 top Twitter advertisers, 30 advertisers have spent nothing on Twitter so far this year, and 24 advertisers had reduced their spending on Twitter by 80 percent or more.
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    Let hate erupt, go bankrupt.
     
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    owning_all15 said:
    Honestly, I feel like this whole fiasco could be a great study on just how much people are willing to put up with before they make somewhat simple changes (like leaving the site). Even if the things they are putting up with are very fundamentally different from what they view as morally correct. I know plenty of people who disagree with this stuff have left, but I also see a ton of people that still use Twitter and hate what Musk has done. And I'm assuming it is just because they always have.
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    Those still using Twitter are worth some attention, but the level to pull is the advertiser lever. That's how Twitter makes money. Make it clear to companies advertising on Twitter that you're aware of their financial support for the platform, and let them know how you feel about that.

    Me, it's not quite that simple; I don't have a Twitter account and never had, so it's not so easy for me to find out who's advertising there. I suspect someone is keeping a list current somewhere, though, and I'll make some time to look for that tomorrow.
     
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    MedicinalGoat said:
    Thanks, Aurich. I can still see it when I close my eyes. I suppose sleep is overrated anyways.
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    Sleep is for the weak!

    For the Musk image I took a stock image of a screaming man and stretched his mouth out in Photoshop so I could feed it in as an image model for Stable Diffusion. Just to make sure my intentions were clear the prompt was "Elon Musk with a huge mouth".

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    The Parler folks just sold out to a guy who immediately shut it down because he openly recognizes that there's no sustainable market for a right-wing social network (he just wanted the client list). Even those assholes got the memo.

    Yet here's Musk, toiling away to tear down a previously successful business and slap together a right-wing social network out of the bleeding pieces, which is even dumber and less efficient than just building one from scratch.
     
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    Aurich said:
    Sleep is for the weak!

    For the Musk image I took a stock image of a screaming man and stretched his mouth out in Photoshop so I could feed it in as an image model for Stable Diffusion. Just to make sure my intentions were clear the prompt was "Elon Musk with a huge mouth".

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    I was sure based on the red nose, freckles, and gaping maw that the prompt was going to be "Elon Musk is a creep, a clown, and a dummy". Getting strong vibes of
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  • #30
    aerogems said:
    Even using Twitler's own version of "free speech absolutism" which is anything that isn't illegal... these things would constitute hate speech and harassment in the US, and thus are illegal.

    Edit: Also, anyone who put a label on any of Twitler's posts would be hearing a shrill South African accented "you're fired! you're fired! you're fired!" in their immediate future.
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    Sorry to break it to you, but hate speech is legal in the United States. It's why we have Illinois Nazis (I hate Illinois Nazis) and whatnot. That said, hate crimes often include hate speech which differentiates them from normal crimes. To wit:
    • Calling a group of people a racial/gender/etc. slur: legal and protected speech (unless you're doing it as part of inciting that group of people to riot or something along those lines, but then it's the incitement that's illegal).
    • Painting meaningless graffiti on the home of someone of a particular racial/gender/etc. group: illegal, but just as normal vandalism.
    • Painting a slur as graffiti on the aforementioned home: vandalism elevated to the status of hate crime.
    Now, I am not a lawyer, so I almost certainly missed some subtle details here (e.g. what are "fighting words" and all that), but that's the gist of it as I understand as a layperson.

    Harassment is something else and may or may not involve hate speech, although I'd be surprised if repeated targeting of an individual with hate speech couldn't be prosecuted as harassment. Again, repeatedly targeting someone with "yo momma so fat" jokes could be harassment, but replace the the "yo momma" jokes with hate speech and it probably elevates it to hate crime harassment.
     
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    Aurich said:
    Sleep is for the weak!

    For the Musk image I took a stock image of a screaming man and stretched his mouth out in Photoshop so I could feed it in as an image model for Stable Diffusion. Just to make sure my intentions were clear the prompt was "Elon Musk with a huge mouth".

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    Congrats to you and stable diffusion on creating my new sleep paralysis demon. It truly is a masterful work of horrorcraft.

    Also, obligatory: screw Musk. May he become forever what he probably dreads most - poor and alone.
     
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    I'm going to join the small choir asking:
    1. When is Ars erasing their official Twitter presence(s)?
    2. Are you somehow contractually obliged to maintain a presence on the site?

    I read some defending of staying on the platform in a thread yesterday, but come the hell on, people. Get off Twatter, Ars, or you'd better start fielding some seriously exemplary defensive pieces, post god damn haste.
     
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  • #33
    Jim Salter said:
    I cannot imagine just shrugging and saying "can't win them all" about estranging my own child with hate speech.

    That dude has done and said a lot of fucked up things, but that one never stops hitting me whenever somebody brings it up. Just, damn.
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    I'm with you there. I just... That one knocks the wind out of my paternal sails. I could never imagine treating my own with such disregard. What an awful person.
     
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    Dragonmaster Lou said:
    Sorry to break it to you, but hate speech is legal in the United States.
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    Trying to explain the First Amendment to aerogems is a waste of your time. I gave up after the third or fourth time I explained the Pentagon Papers case to him and he responded with "but what if I use this entirely made-up legal theory to justify that ruling instead of the real one?"
     
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  • #39
    BrainDroppings said:
    More useless whining about words. I'm with Chris Rock: "Words hurt...if you write them on brick." People are fuckin babies nowadays.
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    If people complaining about making bigotry okay on a social network is "useless whining" then what is whining about people complaining about making bigotry okay on a social network?
     
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