Florida’s new surgeon general skeptical of vaccines, opposes masks

Ladapo signed the Great Barrington Declaration and suggests embracing "the reality of viral spread."

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[Faceless Man]

By that logic I suppose that it is safe to take up smoking.

That's what the celery in a Bloody Mary is for. Veggies are magical health shields. The difference between Jimi Hendrix and Keith Richards is Keith Richards ate some broccoli one time, true story.

Actually, like Hendrix, Keith Richards ODed at the age of 27. It's just that the drugs haven't worn off yet, but when they do...

 

[ranthog]

*crap*

You have some weird sexual issues with your mom if that’s the first thing you think of when you see a mask. I’m pretty sure that’s not legal where you live.

It may be legal if a close relative however... don't know the state.

Clearly it can be legal in New York since Giuliani literally married his cousin.

Normally you think of it being more of a deep south sort of thing, since the Europeans who settled that region initially were the ones who got tired of the European powers telling them they can't keep on with their blood feuds with other families. There was literally a tradition of rolling the betrothed up in a rug before the wedding down that way and some other fucked up things by almost anyone's standards then or now.

It's also legal in Shelbyville.

It is also legal in most of the world. We're sort of the weird ones for caring.

There are a lot of valid and troubling things about the South, but we can at least pick something legitimately wrong.

 

[DeafKahnOne]

Is it wrong that I read his name as Dr. Lapdog?

 

[daveishereagain]

I really thought we were over the erroneous, and historically used to persecute innocent people "Spanish" flu moniker now. I mean, didn't the racist and cringe-worthy "China Flu" and "Kung Flu" from last year show us that we're not supposed to be perpetuating slanderous adjectives regarding a pandemic's ground zero? I really thought we were only to "the 1918 flu". It tells everybody when and what, and it doesn't have the lying, racist adjectives involved.

Sorry, that just really irked me, as it's irresponsible branding in a journalist.

You are correct that generally it is preferred not to refer to it as the Spanish Flu. However, I would say that the two things you're laying down are a false equivalence.

The Spanish Flu as a name was more an accident of wartime censorship of bad news. This ironically meant most of the reporting on the pandemic focused on Spain.They couldn't report on the flu locally.

That would be as opposed to the "China Flu" and "Kung Flu" which were intended to incite racial hatred and xenophobia while laying blame on Asians in general. (This type or xenophobic rhetoric doesn't really tend to acknowledge there are multiple national or ethnic groups in Asia.) This type or rhetoric is a direct cause of a significant increase in hate crimes against those of Asian heritage.

Yeah, I don't think referring to the 1918 flu epidemic as the 'Spanish flu' will unleash hate crimes against Spaniards. They seem to have that well in hand themselves at the present time.

Also, it is likely due to how it has been taught in the past that including that language helped to add clarity to the article. Something that will never apply to using the "Kung Flu" name when COVID-19 was already well established globally as the name of the disease.

Indeed so. I was taught that my maternal grandmother died from Spanish flu leaving my mother an orphan as my maternal grandfather had drowned on Christmas Day duck hunting on Chesapeake Bay.
I never once had any animosity to Spaniards or Marylanders.

 

[Dragonmaster Lou]

*crap*

You have some weird sexual issues with your mom if that’s the first thing you think of when you see a mask. I’m pretty sure that’s not legal where you live.

It may be legal if a close relative however... don't know the state.

Clearly it can be legal in New York since Giuliani literally married his cousin.

Normally you think of it being more of a deep south sort of thing, since the Europeans who settled that region initially were the ones who got tired of the European powers telling them they can't keep on with their blood feuds with other families. There was literally a tradition of rolling the betrothed up in a rug before the wedding down that way and some other fucked up things by almost anyone's standards then or now.

It's also legal in Shelbyville.

It is also legal in most of the world. We're sort of the weird ones for caring.

There are a lot of valid and troubling things about the South, but we can at least pick something legitimately wrong.

First cousin marriage is sort of one of those issues where it's borderline for inbreeding issues. As far as I can recall, so long as it doesn't happen over too many generations within the same bloodline, it's generally not too bad although it does somewhat increase the chances of inherited genetic disease.

I also remember reading at some point where something like marrying your third cousin was apparently the optimal choice for balancing genetic diversity with minimizing the chances of passing on genetic diseases, as bizarre as that sounds.

 

[Cthel]

You have some weird sexual issues with your mom if that’s the first thing you think of when you see a mask. I’m pretty sure that’s not legal where you live.

It may be legal if a close relative however... don't know the state.

Clearly it can be legal in New York since Giuliani literally married his cousin.

Normally you think of it being more of a deep south sort of thing, since the Europeans who settled that region initially were the ones who got tired of the European powers telling them they can't keep on with their blood feuds with other families. There was literally a tradition of rolling the betrothed up in a rug before the wedding down that way and some other fucked up things by almost anyone's standards then or now.

It's also legal in Shelbyville.

It is also legal in most of the world. We're sort of the weird ones for caring.

There are a lot of valid and troubling things about the South, but we can at least pick something legitimately wrong.

First cousin marriage is sort of one of those issues were it's borderline for inbreeding issues. As far as I can recall, so long as it doesn't happen over too many generations within the same bloodline, it's generally not too bad although it does somewhat increase the chances of inherited genetic disease.

I also remember reading at some point where something like marrying your third cousin was apparently the optimal choice for balancing genetic diversity with minimizing the chances of passing on genetic diseases, as bizarre as that sounds.

Tangentially, this reminds me of the claim that the bicycle did more to promote outbreeding than any other invention in history.

Because a bicycle was cheap enough that every labourer could own one (unlike a horse) and provided enough mobility to get to a neighbouring village to find a potential fiancé, instead of being limited to walking distance

 

[Bloater51]

*crap*

You have some weird sexual issues with your mom if that’s the first thing you think of when you see a mask. I’m pretty sure that’s not legal where you live.

It may be legal if a close relative however... don't know the state.

Clearly it can be legal in New York since Giuliani literally married his cousin.

Normally you think of it being more of a deep south sort of thing, since the Europeans who settled that region initially were the ones who got tired of the European powers telling them they can't keep on with their blood feuds with other families. There was literally a tradition of rolling the betrothed up in a rug before the wedding down that way and some other fucked up things by almost anyone's standards then or now.

Side note, but it's kind of fascinating how, even over 200 years later, the unique cultures of the European groups that settled the three major regions of the Americas (New England, Tidewater/Mid-Atlantic, and South) still tends to influence the culture of those areas, and by understanding what motivated those groups can help you make sense of what goes on today.

The British accepted marriage between cousins after the Reformation. Interestingly it was very common amongst Quakers in the 18th and 19th centuries because of the rule until the middle of the 19th century against marrying outside the sect. Even in families that had left the tendency remained - Charles and Emma Darwin were cousins. It also suited all classes, from small rural communities to the aristocracy who sought to strengthen family allegiances.

 

[ranthog]

You have some weird sexual issues with your mom if that’s the first thing you think of when you see a mask. I’m pretty sure that’s not legal where you live.

It may be legal if a close relative however... don't know the state.

Clearly it can be legal in New York since Giuliani literally married his cousin.

Normally you think of it being more of a deep south sort of thing, since the Europeans who settled that region initially were the ones who got tired of the European powers telling them they can't keep on with their blood feuds with other families. There was literally a tradition of rolling the betrothed up in a rug before the wedding down that way and some other fucked up things by almost anyone's standards then or now.

It's also legal in Shelbyville.

It is also legal in most of the world. We're sort of the weird ones for caring.

There are a lot of valid and troubling things about the South, but we can at least pick something legitimately wrong.

First cousin marriage is sort of one of those issues were it's borderline for inbreeding issues. As far as I can recall, so long as it doesn't happen over too many generations within the same bloodline, it's generally not too bad although it does somewhat increase the chances of inherited genetic disease.

I also remember reading at some point where something like marrying your third cousin was apparently the optimal choice for balancing genetic diversity with minimizing the chances of passing on genetic diseases, as bizarre as that sounds.

It does pose a small increase in the risk of some birth defects that are recessive in nature. As long as your family line is regularly bringing in fresh genetic material it probably isn't going to cause problems.

But the level of disdain people give it isn't due to genetics. That is cultural and it is problematic to treat that bias as okay as it is telling a lot of other cultures they're bad.

 

[Nature Lover]

Joseph Ladapo, a UCLA researcher known for opposing evidence-based mask mandates, vaccine mandates, and lockdowns.

Another fucking idiot.

Haha, you are calling a Harvard Med school graduate, with a PhD in public health policy, and trained at a top tier center an idiot. Your Kool Aid must be tasty.

Yeah, how dare he look at the actual facts and independently make an informed opinion rather than echo your blind credentialism.

TL;DR I served on the U Penn med school admissions committee as an undergrad med student. We turned down someone whom we though was a psychopath but probably with a genius IQ. Twice. He probably has a Harvard MD now.

Even my fellow Ivy league Med school grads are not free of nincompoops and psychopaths. As an undergrad med student I served as a full voting member of the admission committee (years redacted no ID)-there were 4 students on the rolling admission committee. I loved it. (And there were great Saturday sandwiches-what's not to like for a starving med student). Sat Am each prospect interviewed with a faculty member and any student who wanted to be involved in admissions-maybe it was 2nd year only?? They each wrote a summary which 2 faculty members on the actual committee plus one of the student committee members reviewed along with grades MCATS, donations to the school (no no I kid- our part was free of money although I cannot say that the bureaucracy did not slip in a Trump equivalent or two. My class all appeared to deserve their spots-no ringers that did not have some brains and common sense) We gave each candidate a score which placed them in order and an arbitrary number were sent admissions letters each week. A soon to be Princeton Grad (another of my alma maters) was reviewed one Saturday. He had straight As and 2 separate majors in Biology and a liberal art, a difficult combo that required two separate thesis papers being written- one after a year of lab research . The faculty member though the kid was a friggin' genius but the student unequivocally said that he should never be allowed to touch a patient, ever. He told the student, probably thinking her input did not matter, that he wanted a school attached to a public hospital so he could have more latitude to practice on the patients and more. He was not ranked but asked to return- only time I recall that year. He returned and he again impressed the student with his games playing and the faculty member with his brains. The student committee member was pretty adamant about her no confidence and he was given a very low score.

ANNDD Harvard accepted him. Case closed.

 

[ZippyPeanut]

I really thought we were over the erroneous, and historically used to persecute innocent people "Spanish" flu moniker now. I mean, didn't the racist and cringe-worthy "China Flu" and "Kung Flu" from last year show us that we're not supposed to be perpetuating slanderous adjectives regarding a pandemic's ground zero? I really thought we were only to "the 1918 flu". It tells everybody when and what, and it doesn't have the lying, racist adjectives involved.

Sorry, that just really irked me, as it's irresponsible branding in a journalist.

You are correct that generally it is preferred not to refer to it as the Spanish Flu. However, I would say that the two things you're laying down are a false equivalence.

The Spanish Flu as a name was more an accident of wartime censorship of bad news. This ironically meant most of the reporting on the pandemic focused on Spain.They couldn't report on the flu locally.

That would be as opposed to the "China Flu" and "Kung Flu" which were intended to incite racial hatred and xenophobia while laying blame on Asians in general. (This type or xenophobic rhetoric doesn't really tend to acknowledge there are multiple national or ethnic groups in Asia.) This type or rhetoric is a direct cause of a significant increase in hate crimes against those of Asian heritage.

Yeah, I don't think referring to the 1918 flu epidemic as the 'Spanish flu' will unleash hate crimes against Spaniards. They seem to have that well in hand themselves at the present time.

Also, it is likely due to how it has been taught in the past that including that language helped to add clarity to the article. Something that will never apply to using the "Kung Flu" name when COVID-19 was already well established globally as the name of the disease.

Indeed so. I was taught that my maternal grandmother died from Spanish flu leaving my mother an orphan as my maternal grandfather had drowned on Christmas Day duck hunting on Chesapeake Bay.
I never once had any animosity to Spaniards or Marylanders.

I never had a problem with Hoosiers,... until I visited Evansville.

 

[csilverman]

I really do appreciate how some barely literate troll's attempt at an insult has sparked a fascinating discussion covering the genetics, history, and tradition of intermarriage.

Ars at its best.

 

[Haas Bioroid]

I really do appreciate how some barely literate troll's attempt at an insult has sparked a fascinating discussion covering the genetics, history, and tradition of intermarriage.

Ars at its best.

Did you know the founder of Shelbyville wanted to allow first degree cousin marriage, but not the founder of Springfield ?

 

[Tofystedeth]

I really do appreciate how some barely literate troll's attempt at an insult has sparked a fascinating discussion covering the genetics, history, and tradition of intermarriage.

Ars at its best.

Did you know the founder of Shelbyville wanted to allow first degree cousin marriage, but not the founder of Springfield ?

Look, we may not be able to marry our attractive cousins, but at least we have plenty of root marm.

 

[Bernardo Verda]

Troll harder. Or at least try, anyway.

I think we've seen enough trolling and lies from this one.

Thank you, and my apologies for engaging.

Thank you as well, Aurich, even though I was quite enjoying the evisceration.

It's sad that some people actively refuse to help those outside (and including) themselves, simply with a needle prick and potentially feeling down and out for a couple days, while dragging down the rest of society as a consequence. It isn't enough that only the intelligent, responsible people get the shot. There aren't enough of us in the US to shoulder the responsibility for the rest of society.

During Adlai Stevenson's 1956 presidential campaign, after one of his speeches some woman in the audience told him, "Senator, you'll have the vote of every thinking person in the country!"
Stevenson is said to have replied "That's not enough, madam -- we need a majority."

 

[daveishereagain]

I really do appreciate how some barely literate troll's attempt at an insult has sparked a fascinating discussion covering the genetics, history, and tradition of intermarriage.

Ars at its best.

Well yeah....We didn't actually give a shit what he said; who would give credence to such drek? Only other morons. How eva......Kissin cuzzins is good gossip.

 

[Mardaneus]

One sided article. I'm here in Jacksonville, FL and drove by Ascention St Vincent hospital and only saw 4 cars by the hospital ER. Didn't seem all that packed. Now, I am vaccinated finally. Decided to get it after the Dems made it nearly impossible to exist without it in California and New York since I travel for work. Still doesn't fit the litmus test of what articles I'm seeing.

You think ER patients travel to the ER and park their cars there?

This is the same asshat who promised to take pictures of all the "empty" ICUs and post them last week.

I guess he ended up in jail (until being bailed out) for breaking and entering like a bunch of anti-vaxxers in the UK that ended up being arrested for doing exactly that. Don't remember it exactly anymore but the wing they broke into was either being prepared to start receiving COVID patients or closed due to needing the personnel elsewhere due to COVID and it was made clear on the doors to that wing that it was no entry.

 

[daveishereagain]

One sided article. I'm here in Jacksonville, FL and drove by Ascention St Vincent hospital and only saw 4 cars by the hospital ER. Didn't seem all that packed. Now, I am vaccinated finally. Decided to get it after the Dems made it nearly impossible to exist without it in California and New York since I travel for work. Still doesn't fit the litmus test of what articles I'm seeing.

You think ER patients travel to the ER and park their cars there?

This is the same asshat who promised to take pictures of all the "empty" ICUs and post them last week.

I guess he ended up in jail (until being bailed out) for breaking and entering like a bunch of anti-vaxxers in the UK that ended up being arrested for doing exactly that. Don't remember it exactly anymore but the wing they broke into was either being prepared to start receiving COVID patients or closed due to needing the personnel elsewhere due to COVID and it was made clear on the doors to that wing that it was no entry.

OR he's merely a fucking liar.
But, as I pointed out earlier, ambulances don't tow patient's cars to the ER.
Time constraints and all that.

 

[sigma8]

Ladapo will also be leaving his position at UCLA

Congratulations, UCLA!

 

[Bernardo Verda]

Joseph Ladapo, a UCLA researcher known for opposing evidence-based mask mandates, vaccine mandates, and lockdowns.

Another fucking idiot.

I mean, Europe achieved herd immunity against the plague without the help of vaccine, amiright?

Of course. And it killed 30% of the Europe population.

And it went on for a very long time, and it was hell on the economy for a very long time, too (we're talking not just years, here, but generations).

 

[daveishereagain]

Ladapo will also be leaving his position at UCLA

Congratulations, UCLA!

I echo that. And you know what the best part is? He has to live in Gainesville.
Heh.
He's in for a fucking shock.
LMFAO

Edit- They don't call the Florida Gators football stadium 'The Swamp' for nuthin'.

 

[CraigJ ✅]

I see that the yearly pay for this state job is $111,825 . I wonder what other perks the good Doctor is getting outside of state supplied benes?

I'm guessing all the hookers and blow he could possibly want - Republicans are the party of family values after all...

 

[thegunner]

Socialism, social democracy, democratic socialism, whatever you want to call it… it’s the crazy idea that everyone pools some of their resources to help each other out when they need some of those resources.

e.g. Social Security

 

[Basil Forthrightly]

Meanwhile, in Vermont, the Delta wave is barely a ripple. They sure must eat their vegetables there!

It's well known maple syrup offers protection from many kinds of virus.

Though the key is to snort the syrup, after swallowing a zinc supplement. It does no good if you swallow it.

 

[CraigJ ✅]

DeSantis's 2018 election margin of victory was 32,462 - 0.4% of votes, Current Covid deaths in Florida exceed 50,000. Going with the plague doctor's plan to address viral spread, we can expect 100% of the unvaccinated population to become exposed to, and contract some level of disease from the virus. Current mortality rate in florida is about 1.5% of cases result in death.

So, with a population of 24.5 million, and 56% fully vaccinated, there are 13,720,000 million future infected. That in theory will result in over 2 million deaths.

Nurgle is pleased.

1.5% of 13M is about 200K, not 2M.

I must have put a decimal point in the wrong place or something. Shit! I always do that. I always mess up some mundane detail.

 

[Random_stranger]

"The state should be promoting good health, and vaccination isn't the only path to that," Ladapo said. "It's been treated almost like a religion, and that's just senseless. There's a lot of good pathways to health, and vaccination is not the only one. So, we support measures for good health—that's vaccination, losing weight, it's exercising more, it's eating more fruits and vegetables, everything. We support it all."

Tell me you listen to Joe Rogan for health advice without telling me you listen to Joe Rogan for health advice.

Losing weight, improving diet and exercise are all great, in addition to vaccination, its the unspoken "instead of" that is the problem.

What has always irritated me about the "they talk about vaccination but never about diet and exercise" stuff, as with most smuggled in antivax arguments is its detachment from reality. I mean if you are living in the United States in 2021 and haven't heard that good diet, weight and exercise are important I don't know what to say, apart from have you been in a coma for 30 years?

Who knows, maybe a 100 million Americans will completely change their lifestyles long term instead of a couple hours out of their life for 2 free vaccine shots, yeah that sounds plausible, I'm sure we'll see how that works after Florida implements their well funded programs to encourage it, I mean he is planning to actually promote these lifestyle changes right, not just talk right?

This is really telling: From https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/13 ... 3331749889
In 2016, poor health strongly predicted Trump voting. A county's rate of diabetes, alcohol consumption, obesity, etc. predicted its propensity to vote Trump *even better* than race/education.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EzgFO1qWUAI ... ame=medium

So, the healthier you are, the more likely you were to vote AGAINST Trump.

Coming GQP talking point: only sick people can think properly - all that healthy food makes you stupid.

 

[Bernardo Verda]

There is a theory here in Ireland that the hot sun in Florida and the southern USA fries their brains.
Cold weather countries like Ireland make cool decisions.

or maybe just suffer poor memories...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ejga4kJUts

 

[daveishereagain]

Socialism, social democracy, democratic socialism, whatever you want to call it… it’s the crazy idea that everyone pools some of their resources to help each other out when they need some of those resources.

e.g. Social Security

e.g Insurance pools.
e.g. Church collection plates
e.g. The Red Cross
Damn those socialists!

 

[ranthog]

Socialism, social democracy, democratic socialism, whatever you want to call it… it’s the crazy idea that everyone pools some of their resources to help each other out when they need some of those resources.

e.g. Social Security

e.g Insurance pools.
e.g. Church collection plates
e.g. The Red Cross
Damn those socialists!

Is anyone more evil than the Red Cross? They come into an area and just give away what a budding entropenuer could make a fortune on!

 

[RZetopan]

In the past, there were 'chickenpox parties' where if a child got the chickenpox all the moms in the neighborhood would bring their kids over so they would be exposed and they'd get their 'immunity'.

So this is just like that, except instead of getting itchy bumps, you get irreversible lung damage, end up on a ventilator and die.

This is some genius thinking right here. A war of attrition between idiots and the virus.

Covid 19, like all viruses, lacks a central nervous system capable of critical reasoning. Yet it is easily defeating the moronic GQP.

 

[numerobis]

Just a reminder, GameOvR is the same dipshit who claims to drive by 2 empty ERs in Wichita daily. Still hasn't provided proof.

Dives by empty ERs in Wichita, in Jacksonville, and was with a friend in California when she died if the vaccine, eh? Dude gets around i guess.

 

[McRuff]

OR he's merely a fucking liar.
But, as I pointed out earlier, ambulances don't tow patient's cars to the ER.
Time constraints and all that.

The other thing about hospital car parks is that they are not for long term parking.
Most of the cars belong to outpatients and visitors.
So if the hospital has restricted outpatients and visitors then the car parks could very well be less than full.

 

[daveishereagain]

Socialism, social democracy, democratic socialism, whatever you want to call it… it’s the crazy idea that everyone pools some of their resources to help each other out when they need some of those resources.

e.g. Social Security

e.g Insurance pools.
e.g. Church collection plates
e.g. The Red Cross
Damn those socialists!

Is anyone more evil than the Red Cross? They come into an area and just give away what a budding entropenuer could make a fortune on!

I rest my case!
They should be like Insurance and The Church. Now, those guys got it down.

 

[daveishereagain]

OR he's merely a fucking liar.
But, as I pointed out earlier, ambulances don't tow patient's cars to the ER.
Time constraints and all that.

The other thing about hospital car parks is that they are not for long term parking.
Most of the cars belong to outpatients and visitors.
So if the hospital has restricted outpatients and visitors then the car parks could very well be less than full.

Well the troll specifically was talking about cars parked outside the ER in that Jacksonville hospital, but your point is well said.

 

[CraigJ ✅]

Socialism, social democracy, democratic socialism, whatever you want to call it… it’s the crazy idea that everyone pools some of their resources to help each other out when they need some of those resources.

Except that those things are... different.

Social democracy is a reformist approach that doesn’t do away with capitalism in its entirety but instead regulates it, providing public services and substantial welfare within the frame of an essentially market-led economy.

Democratic socialism advocates for social ownership of the means of production, and does not believe in reforms within capitalism, but in a revolution of the system.

Socialism is social ownership of the means of production but doesn't necessarily require the democracy part.

No one in American politics that has a chance in hell of getting elected in a Democratic Socialist or a Socialist. Bernie Sanders (despite what he referes to himself as), AOC, Warren, etc are Social Democrats.

 

[Random_stranger]

Florida now has a new industry: it is an incubator for new variants of Covid, which it will export for FREE to the rest of the world!

This has no basis in science. Acquired immunity has been shown to respond more robustly to variants of all types versus the targeted immunity granted by vaccination. There are studies suggesting that variants come from the vaccinated population because the engineered immunity isn't as agile as the one created naturally.

This is misinformation just like the right wing antivaxx bullshit and shows that the guy is right in that vaccination advocacy has taken on an almost religious level of zealotry.

Of course this will be downvoted away because it doesn't blindly follow the dogma of vaccination is our only path out.

Do you have any citations for that?

The closest study I found was there was very little benefit in vaccinating someone who had recently had COVID. Not zero or less benefit, just with limited vaccines those who hadn’t had Covid recently are a higher priority.

Kressilac's an old JAQer / Whataboutist, don't give him any mind..

 

[Random_stranger]

Obviously, the solution would be to empower the Federal government to dismiss state governors at will, but that wouldn't have worked out well while Trump was President.

How does one go about ensuring that only sane people rise to elected office?

One way would be by having a better-educated electorate.

Why do you think the GQP has been trying to undercut / dismantle the public school system? The whole "can't pray in school / can't teach sex ed. / home school for most godly results / etc" stuff is just obstructionism to reduce the overall population education level back into serfdom.

 

[RZetopan]

Justin Long's character from Idiocracy is apparently a real person.

Who has apparently been cloned millions of times.

 

[pnellesen]

“Joe Rogan talked about it and he’s a regular guy. Also there was an official looking website and I had to pay for a consultation that recommended this miracle cure that Big Pharma is trying to suppress so it is obviously real. I’m not going to let these pharmaceutical companies going to scam me out of my money, thank you. I’ll pay this obviously genuine doctor for some pills instead. Gotta get up a lot earlier to outsmart me.”

The sad thing is, this isn't satire...

 

[Jaypaul]

He doesn’t believe in what was taught so, maybe UCLA should revoke his degree.

 

[ranthog]

OR he's merely a fucking liar.
But, as I pointed out earlier, ambulances don't tow patient's cars to the ER.
Time constraints and all that.

The other thing about hospital car parks is that they are not for long term parking.
Most of the cars belong to outpatients and visitors.
So if the hospital has restricted outpatients and visitors then the car parks could very well be less than full.

If a hospital is under strain they will not only not have outpatients and visitors, a lot of the normal inpatient procedures someone might park over night at the hospital won't be there.

Most people who are having enough problems breathing that they go to the hospital will not be driving themselves. Either they will come by ambulance or someone will drive them.

Beyond that I imagine there are some ancillary services that are down staff like gift shops, cafeteria (where visitors can eat), and the like.