Florida’s new surgeon general skeptical of vaccines, opposes masks

Ladapo signed the Great Barrington Declaration and suggests embracing "the reality of viral spread."

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[Aurich]

Troll harder. Or at least try, anyway.

I think we've seen enough trolling and lies from this one.

 

[BasP]

Another disingenuous headline.

Opposing making something mandatory is not equivalent to opposing that same thing.

Why are you defending a man who wants you to die horribly?

 

[GreyAreaUK]

Correct and people contract it from being bitten by fleas that have bitten infected rodents. We didn't be become 'more resistant', we became cleaner and more intolerant to having rodents everywhere. FYI: prairie dogs carry plague.

Also - unless I'm wrong (always possible, I'm no medical person) - you can't actually become immune to a bacterial infection. You can treat it, and you can minimise your chances of contracting it in the first place, but having it won't grant you long term immunity except at the species level - ie, those that survived it naturally tend to breed that trait.

 

[GreyAreaUK]

Troll harder. Or at least try, anyway.

I think we've seen enough trolling and lies from this one.

Thank you, and my apologies for engaging.

 

[thegunner]

I'm absolutely OK with FL and TX seceding from the rest of us, and just letting them spiral down to their inevitable conclusion. Sorry (not sorry).

 

[Deleted member 92645]

Correct and people contract it from being bitten by fleas that have bitten infected rodents. We didn't be become 'more resistant', we became cleaner and more intolerant to having rodents everywhere. FYI: prairie dogs carry plague.

Also - unless I'm wrong (always possible, I'm no medical person) - you can't actually become immune to a bacterial infection. You can treat it, and you can minimise your chances of contracting it in the first place, but having it won't grant you long term immunity except at the species level - ie, those that survived it naturally tend to breed that trait.

If I'm not mistaken tetanus is a bacterial infection, no? We have vaccine for tetanus, maybe some type of bacterial infection can be prevented by vaccine then?

I'm sure some much more knowledgeable arsian will explain this to us

 

[Celery Man]

DeSantis profits from Regeneron, so more sick people = more potential money for him. The ultimate captive market…

 

[BasP]

They might become even more of a haven for right-wing nutjobs, who then become refugees when their libertarian paradise turns out to be a hellhole in terms of human rights and basic amenities. That’ll be right on the border. Do you really want a refugee crisis consisting of a bunch of whiny libertarians who all got dysentery because they failed to meet the demands of their meritocracy to get access to proper plumbing and healthcare? I mean, unlike them we actually believe in basic human rights and can’t just build a wall to ignore them.

 

[Mr_Spock]

Troll harder. Or at least try, anyway.

I think we've seen enough trolling and lies from this one.

Thank you, and my apologies for engaging.

Thank you as well, Aurich, even though I was quite enjoying the evisceration.

It's sad that some people actively refuse to help those outside (and including) themselves, simply with a needle prick and potentially feeling down and out for a couple days, while dragging down the rest of society as a consequence. It isn't enough that only the intelligent, responsible people get the shot. There aren't enough of us in the US to shoulder the responsibility for the rest of society.

 

[Celery Man]

Correct and people contract it from being bitten by fleas that have bitten infected rodents. We didn't be become 'more resistant', we became cleaner and more intolerant to having rodents everywhere. FYI: prairie dogs carry plague.

Also - unless I'm wrong (always possible, I'm no medical person) - you can't actually become immune to a bacterial infection. You can treat it, and you can minimise your chances of contracting it in the first place, but having it won't grant you long term immunity except at the species level - ie, those that survived it naturally tend to breed that trait.

If I'm not mistaken tetanus is a bacterial infection, no? We have vaccine for tetanus, maybe some type of bacterial infection can be prevented by vaccine then?

I'm sure some much more knowledgeable arsian will explain this to us

Why do you have to get tetanus boosters after 10 years if you’re immune after the first one?

 

[daveishereagain]

Correct and people contract it from being bitten by fleas that have bitten infected rodents. We didn't be become 'more resistant', we became cleaner and more intolerant to having rodents everywhere. FYI: prairie dogs carry plague.

Also - unless I'm wrong (always possible, I'm no medical person) - you can't actually become immune to a bacterial infection. You can treat it, and you can minimise your chances of contracting it in the first place, but having it won't grant you long term immunity except at the species level - ie, those that survived it naturally tend to breed that trait.

Yeah, and the bad part is bacteria can develop resistance to antibiotics.
Education on germ theory and taking the proper precautions (sound familiar?) have enabled us to avoid outbreaks of all kinds of icky diseases that used to be commonplace. The fools that made this pandemic political have destroyed 150 years of progress in fighting preventable diseases. We are in for a heap more trouble as more and more rubes turn their backs on sensible disease prevention.

 

[ZippyPeanut]

"To be clear, while losing weight, exercising, and eating fruits and vegetables are generally good for health, they will not prevent SARS-CoV-2 infection or transmission."

My favorite part of the article!

But my best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who heard from the Certified Juice Specialist lady on Facebook that it would!

You see, that's the problem with hearing something like this so many times removed!!!

While it is true that losing weight, exercising, and eating fruits and vegetables WILL prevent covid infection, someone in the line of people lost an important caveat: the fruits and vegetables must be injected with bleach and soaked in turpentine before consumption, resulting in (1) a disinfecting of the bloodstream and (2) loss of weight from daily rectal and oral purges.

 

[Cthel]

Correct and people contract it from being bitten by fleas that have bitten infected rodents. We didn't be become 'more resistant', we became cleaner and more intolerant to having rodents everywhere. FYI: prairie dogs carry plague.

Also - unless I'm wrong (always possible, I'm no medical person) - you can't actually become immune to a bacterial infection. You can treat it, and you can minimise your chances of contracting it in the first place, but having it won't grant you long term immunity except at the species level - ie, those that survived it naturally tend to breed that trait.

If I'm not mistaken tetanus is a bacterial infection, no? We have vaccine for tetanus, maybe some type of bacterial infection can be prevented by vaccine then?

I'm sure some much more knowledgeable arsian will explain this to us

The various pneumonia vaccines are vaccines against bacterial infections, so it’s definitely possible for some bacteria - https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/pneumo/index.html

 

[GreyAreaUK]

Correct and people contract it from being bitten by fleas that have bitten infected rodents. We didn't be become 'more resistant', we became cleaner and more intolerant to having rodents everywhere. FYI: prairie dogs carry plague.

Also - unless I'm wrong (always possible, I'm no medical person) - you can't actually become immune to a bacterial infection. You can treat it, and you can minimise your chances of contracting it in the first place, but having it won't grant you long term immunity except at the species level - ie, those that survived it naturally tend to breed that trait.

If I'm not mistaken tetanus is a bacterial infection, no? We have vaccine for tetanus, maybe some type of bacterial infection can be prevented by vaccine then?

I'm sure some much more knowledgeable arsian will explain this to us

Why do you have to get tetanus boosters after 10 years if you’re immune after the first one?

From Wikipedia:
—-
The type of vaccination for this disease is called artificial active immunity. This type of immunity is generated when a dead or weakened version of the disease enters the body, causing an immune response which includes the production of antibodies. This is beneficial because it means that if the disease is ever introduced into the body, the immune system will recognize the antigen and produce antibodies more rapidly.
—-

So I’m not especially correct on this one

 

[ZippyPeanut]

Nurgle demands unwilling sacrifices.

So Father Nurgle will be upset with Florida for offering up willing sacrifices?

Nurgle? Neeeerguuuul! Sorry, that name sounds like, some kinda geek name best said in long nasally form. Is that also a god of some kind? Perhaps the god of geekdom?

Warhammer 4k chaos god of disease and famine, his followers "generously" spread his "gifts" across the galaxy.

Does Nurgle wear a pocket protector in his button-up shirt? Poor sick Nurgle...

Sorry, I'll stop. It's that name, it drags up unwanted images of every 80's and 90's era nerd stereotype and I just have to laugh. I'm sure he's a very big and scary god, in real life I mean. Well, um, not real life but you know.

In any case, this new "surgeon general" is definitly a Nurgle.

He looks like a healthier, less orange version of Donnie:

Thinner, too.

 

[ranthog]

Correct and people contract it from being bitten by fleas that have bitten infected rodents. We didn't be become 'more resistant', we became cleaner and more intolerant to having rodents everywhere. FYI: prairie dogs carry plague.

Also - unless I'm wrong (always possible, I'm no medical person) - you can't actually become immune to a bacterial infection. You can treat it, and you can minimise your chances of contracting it in the first place, but having it won't grant you long term immunity except at the species level - ie, those that survived it naturally tend to breed that trait.

You can gain immunity to bacteria. Your immune system is keyed to attack both viruses and bacteria.

 

[daveishereagain]

Correct and people contract it from being bitten by fleas that have bitten infected rodents. We didn't be become 'more resistant', we became cleaner and more intolerant to having rodents everywhere. FYI: prairie dogs carry plague.

Also - unless I'm wrong (always possible, I'm no medical person) - you can't actually become immune to a bacterial infection. You can treat it, and you can minimise your chances of contracting it in the first place, but having it won't grant you long term immunity except at the species level - ie, those that survived it naturally tend to breed that trait.

If I'm not mistaken tetanus is a bacterial infection, no? We have vaccine for tetanus, maybe some type of bacterial infection can be prevented by vaccine then?

I'm sure some much more knowledgeable arsian will explain this to us

Why do you have to get tetanus boosters after 10 years if you’re immune after the first one?

From Wikipedia:
—-
The type of vaccination for this disease is called artificial active immunity. This type of immunity is generated when a dead or weakened version of the disease enters the body, causing an immune response which includes the production of antibodies. This is beneficial because it means that if the disease is ever introduced into the body, the immune system will recognize the antigen and produce antibodies more rapidly.
—-

So I’m not especially correct on this one

That's OK, you just didn't know everything. Your original point that plague is a bacteria and not a virus was an important point.

 

[lakis1]

Joseph Ladapo, a UCLA researcher known for opposing evidence-based mask mandates, vaccine mandates, and lockdowns.

Another fucking idiot.

I mean, Europe achieved herd immunity against the plague without the help of vaccine, amiright?

Of course. And it killed 30% of the Europe population.

 

[ZippyPeanut]

Correct and people contract it from being bitten by fleas that have bitten infected rodents. We didn't be become 'more resistant', we became cleaner and more intolerant to having rodents everywhere. FYI: prairie dogs carry plague.

Also - unless I'm wrong (always possible, I'm no medical person) - you can't actually become immune to a bacterial infection. You can treat it, and you can minimise your chances of contracting it in the first place, but having it won't grant you long term immunity except at the species level - ie, those that survived it naturally tend to breed that trait.

Yeah, and the bad part is bacteria can develop resistance to antibiotics.
Education on germ theory and taking the proper precautions (sound familiar?) have enabled us to avoid outbreaks of all kinds of icky diseases that used to be commonplace. The fools that made this pandemic political have destroyed 150 years of progress in fighting preventable diseases. We are in for a heap more trouble as more and more rubes turn their backs on sensible disease prevention.

"The fools that made this pandemic political have destroyed 150 years of progress in fighting preventable diseases."

That's a very negative way of putting it! Seems to me that they've wildly succeeded in conserving traditional values.

 

[ranthog]

Correct and people contract it from being bitten by fleas that have bitten infected rodents. We didn't be become 'more resistant', we became cleaner and more intolerant to having rodents everywhere. FYI: prairie dogs carry plague.

Also - unless I'm wrong (always possible, I'm no medical person) - you can't actually become immune to a bacterial infection. You can treat it, and you can minimise your chances of contracting it in the first place, but having it won't grant you long term immunity except at the species level - ie, those that survived it naturally tend to breed that trait.

If I'm not mistaken tetanus is a bacterial infection, no? We have vaccine for tetanus, maybe some type of bacterial infection can be prevented by vaccine then?

I'm sure some much more knowledgeable arsian will explain this to us

Why do you have to get tetanus boosters after 10 years if you’re immune after the first one?

From Wikipedia:
—-
The type of vaccination for this disease is called artificial active immunity. This type of immunity is generated when a dead or weakened version of the disease enters the body, causing an immune response which includes the production of antibodies. This is beneficial because it means that if the disease is ever introduced into the body, the immune system will recognize the antigen and produce antibodies more rapidly.
—-

So I’m not especially correct on this one

That's OK, you just didn't know everything. Your original point that plague is a bacteria and not a virus was an important point.

I'm not entirely certain that was particularly important, even if it was correct.

 

[Oldnoobguy]

To date, there have been more than 42 million cases of COVID-19 in the US and more than 676,000 people have died. The COVID-19 pandemic is now the deadliest disease event in US history, exceeding the estimated 675,000 US deaths during the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic.

More than a little misleading. The current US population is around three times that of 1918. So, on a per capita basis, the current pandemic has killed about one-third as many people as the 1918 pandemic. Not even in the same ballpark yet.

So let's just do a quick analysis of the bullshit you are trying to spread here. The quote you are responding to provides 3 raw numbers - number of cases of COVID-19 in the U.S., the number of deaths from COVID-19 so far in the U.S, the number of deaths from the Spanish flu and states that more people in the U.S have died from COVID-19 so far than died from the Spanish flu. And what's your response? To bring in "per capita". So how dumb is your response? Here's an example of how dumb it is.

Mark: The distance from New York to Chicago is 791 miles, and the distance from Chicago to Los Angeles is 2015 miles; therefore Los Angeles is farther from Chicago than New York is.

George: Nope! You're wrong, moron! I can drive 90 mph across much of the West, but can't do the same going East!

That's how stupid your post is. Your post is basically the same as comparing distance to velocity.

 

[Wheels Of Confusion]

Correct and people contract it from being bitten by fleas that have bitten infected rodents. We didn't be become 'more resistant', we became cleaner and more intolerant to having rodents everywhere. FYI: prairie dogs carry plague.

Also - unless I'm wrong (always possible, I'm no medical person) - you can't actually become immune to a bacterial infection. You can treat it, and you can minimise your chances of contracting it in the first place, but having it won't grant you long term immunity except at the species level - ie, those that survived it naturally tend to breed that trait.

Yeah, and the bad part is bacteria can develop resistance to antibiotics.
Education on germ theory and taking the proper precautions (sound familiar?) have enabled us to avoid outbreaks of all kinds of icky diseases that used to be commonplace. The fools that made this pandemic political have destroyed 150 years of progress in fighting preventable diseases. We are in for a heap more trouble as more and more rubes turn their backs on sensible disease prevention.

"The fools that made this pandemic political have destroyed 150 years of progress in fighting preventable diseases."

That's a very negative way of putting it! Seems to me that they've wildly succeeded in conserving traditional values.

They're conservationists! Think of all those endangered diseases!

 

[ranthog]

Joseph Ladapo, a UCLA researcher known for opposing evidence-based mask mandates, vaccine mandates, and lockdowns.

Another fucking idiot.

I mean, Europe achieved herd immunity against the plague without the help of vaccine, amiright?

Of course. And it killed 30% of the Europe population.

Probably closer to 60% is accurate. The older estimates that put the number at 30% likely were a heavily underestimated the death toll.

We also don't know for certain if it reached herd immunity or if it burned out for other reasons. We do know it would regularly come back for centuries with new waves that would leave devastation in their wake.

 

[daveishereagain]

Correct and people contract it from being bitten by fleas that have bitten infected rodents. We didn't be become 'more resistant', we became cleaner and more intolerant to having rodents everywhere. FYI: prairie dogs carry plague.

Also - unless I'm wrong (always possible, I'm no medical person) - you can't actually become immune to a bacterial infection. You can treat it, and you can minimise your chances of contracting it in the first place, but having it won't grant you long term immunity except at the species level - ie, those that survived it naturally tend to breed that trait.

Yeah, and the bad part is bacteria can develop resistance to antibiotics.
Education on germ theory and taking the proper precautions (sound familiar?) have enabled us to avoid outbreaks of all kinds of icky diseases that used to be commonplace. The fools that made this pandemic political have destroyed 150 years of progress in fighting preventable diseases. We are in for a heap more trouble as more and more rubes turn their backs on sensible disease prevention.

"The fools that made this pandemic political have destroyed 150 years of progress in fighting preventable diseases."

That's a very negative way of putting it! Seems to me that they've wildly succeeded in conserving traditional values.

You joke but I don't think it's funny. Most of what you joke about I don't think is funny, so I'll ask you politely to not try them on me.

 

[ranthog]

Correct and people contract it from being bitten by fleas that have bitten infected rodents. We didn't be become 'more resistant', we became cleaner and more intolerant to having rodents everywhere. FYI: prairie dogs carry plague.

Also - unless I'm wrong (always possible, I'm no medical person) - you can't actually become immune to a bacterial infection. You can treat it, and you can minimise your chances of contracting it in the first place, but having it won't grant you long term immunity except at the species level - ie, those that survived it naturally tend to breed that trait.

Yeah, and the bad part is bacteria can develop resistance to antibiotics.
Education on germ theory and taking the proper precautions (sound familiar?) have enabled us to avoid outbreaks of all kinds of icky diseases that used to be commonplace. The fools that made this pandemic political have destroyed 150 years of progress in fighting preventable diseases. We are in for a heap more trouble as more and more rubes turn their backs on sensible disease prevention.

"The fools that made this pandemic political have destroyed 150 years of progress in fighting preventable diseases."

That's a very negative way of putting it! Seems to me that they've wildly succeeded in conserving traditional values.

Is the traditional value visiting the graves of your siblings who were struck down by the first horseman?

 

[WisestMan]

There is a theory here in Ireland that the hot sun in Florida and the southern USA fries their brains.
Cold weather countries like Ireland make cool decisions.

 

[MsSuperPartyWonderFunDay]

I understand the base voting for the fascist death cult party, but why would any moderates vote for them?? Low information moderates?

 

[DarthSlack]

His Foreign Funding is almost unlimited and the MSM is already lined up to support his run.

[citation needed]

Ever notice that when someone has no argument to answer your statements, they just type: "Citation needed"?

For which I would reply: "RTFM".

Ever notice that when someone is slinging bullshit they don't bother to answer any questions, they just sling more bullshit?

 

[Wheels Of Confusion]

His Foreign Funding is almost unlimited and the MSM is already lined up to support his run.

[citation needed]

Ever notice that when someone has no argument to answer your statements, they just type: "Citation needed"?

For which I would reply: "RTFM".

Ever notice that when someone makes something up they never provide any sources?

 

[Sir_Win]

I'm tired of MD's spouting anti-vax nonsense. It's an absurd position for anyone with even a modicum of scientific training to take. More importantly, being anti-vax clearly violates the most basic tenet of the Hippocratic Oath (Primum non nocere).

Medical boards need to take action and discipline these doctors harshly. A slap on the wrist isn't going to work. Physicians (and other healthcare providers) using their credentials to peddle demonstrably false, and harmful ideas should lose their licenses full stop. If the board's won't do it, the federal government needs to deny these doctors reimbursement for Medicare and Medicaid patients. As much as I despise them, Insurance companies should do the same. Allowing otherwise preventable diseases to spread, clearly costs them money. That wouldn't even be that much of a departure from their normal policies given how hard they try not to pay for things.

 

[MsSuperPartyWonderFunDay]

Florida politicians determined to kill as many of their citizens as possible.

Yeah. I really don't get the end-game here. Why do they want so many people die. Is it really to undermine the Biden administration while signaling their loyalty to the fascist death cult? Or are the people dying the people they really want dead?

 

[Hack-n-Slash]

I've said this in another thread on here in the last day or so - the mental gymnastics some of these anti-vaxxers go through to justify their position would be impressive if it weren't indicative of a serious deficiency.

Like, seriously, they seem to do and believe almost anything (except for the actual facts and truth, of course) to justify their unjustifiable position.

And it's always, always someone else's fault when the facts blow up in their faces.

If I read correctly, some of these wingnuts are now claiming that their being driving to an anti-vax stance was some sort of far-left plot to get them killed.

This is feeling more and more like that Futurama episode where everyone on Earth was made stupid.

The red caps are worn to cover up the brain slugs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redcap

"The redcap (or powrie) is a type of malevolent, murderous goblin found in Border folklore. He is said to inhabit ruined castles along the Anglo-Scottish border, especially those that were the scenes of tyranny or wicked deeds and is known for soaking his cap in the blood of his victims.[1][2] "

 

[ZippyPeanut]

Correct and people contract it from being bitten by fleas that have bitten infected rodents. We didn't be become 'more resistant', we became cleaner and more intolerant to having rodents everywhere. FYI: prairie dogs carry plague.

Also - unless I'm wrong (always possible, I'm no medical person) - you can't actually become immune to a bacterial infection. You can treat it, and you can minimise your chances of contracting it in the first place, but having it won't grant you long term immunity except at the species level - ie, those that survived it naturally tend to breed that trait.

Yeah, and the bad part is bacteria can develop resistance to antibiotics.
Education on germ theory and taking the proper precautions (sound familiar?) have enabled us to avoid outbreaks of all kinds of icky diseases that used to be commonplace. The fools that made this pandemic political have destroyed 150 years of progress in fighting preventable diseases. We are in for a heap more trouble as more and more rubes turn their backs on sensible disease prevention.

"The fools that made this pandemic political have destroyed 150 years of progress in fighting preventable diseases."

That's a very negative way of putting it! Seems to me that they've wildly succeeded in conserving traditional values.

They're conservationists! Think of all those endangered diseases!

I know, right!? Isn't it sad what happened to smallpox? Just imagine how many poor people and foreigners, under our present healthcare system, would have been conveniently eliminated if Smallpox were still around. I mean such a disease surely would have unburdened the wealthy hegemony by reducing the tired, the poor, the huddled masses.

 

[MsSuperPartyWonderFunDay]

The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.

I know, I know, it's nauseatingly cliche at this point, but I can think of nothing more appropriate.

Some times ideas become cliché because they are just so true.

 

[Ion_Quest]

Folks are Dying to support Emperor Trump -- at least 500K. At least the trend should help Climate Change by reducing US polluters. Maybe this was the plan.

 

[wk_]

Correct and people contract it from being bitten by fleas that have bitten infected rodents. We didn't be become 'more resistant', we became cleaner and more intolerant to having rodents everywhere. FYI: prairie dogs carry plague.

Also - unless I'm wrong (always possible, I'm no medical person) - you can't actually become immune to a bacterial infection. You can treat it, and you can minimise your chances of contracting it in the first place, but having it won't grant you long term immunity except at the species level - ie, those that survived it naturally tend to breed that trait.

If I'm not mistaken tetanus is a bacterial infection, no? We have vaccine for tetanus, maybe some type of bacterial infection can be prevented by vaccine then?

I'm sure some much more knowledgeable arsian will explain this to us

IANAMD There are vaccines for bacteria. The most common ones I could recall: tuberculosis (stopped being administrated in Western countries), diphtheria, tetanus.

I was able to Google some list here https://www.drugs.com/drug-class/bacter ... cines.html but I think it's not complete. Kids regularly get combined DPT vaccine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DPT_vaccine , which is mandatory in many countries. It covers diphtheria, tetanus, whooping cough - all of them bacterial diseases.

 

[technofiler]

Joseph Ladapo, a UCLA researcher known for opposing evidence-based mask mandates, vaccine mandates, and lockdowns.

Another fucking idiot.

I mean, Europe achieved herd immunity against the plague without the help of vaccine, amiright?

Sure, after decades. I think they had outbreaks for more than 100 years, but, ok. i think, if they are going this way, they need to close their border

What would happen is that a community would reach the point where the plague burned itself out, but any given community would years receive another wave which would burn itself out. This would rinse and repeat for centuries.

It is possible communities would temporarily reach herd immunity, but quickly drop below it as children were born and people died. It is also possible that the waves of the plague burned out for other reasons. We just don't know.

It is very possible the only reason why the plague stopped coming back is that this version altered us to be more resistant to the plague.

It’s also important to remember the plague had a relative complex transmission mechanism in that it was carried by rat borne fleas. Spread would be influenced by changes to the population density, behavior, and/or resistance of any one of those three animals.

 

[Kara19]

DeSantis has already killed more people with Covid than his margin of victory in his 2018 election to office. You can bet that 90% of those deaths are people who voted for him.

Looks like Florida will get a Democrat governor next year.

There is already a conspiracy theory doing their rounds on the right wing media that Democrats are goading Republicans into not taking the vaccine so that they die off quicker and win the election.

https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment ... ters-dead/

The people of Florida not only voted for a GOP governor but also a GOP majority in both houses in their state - it is difficult to feel sorry for a population who have signed their own death warrant (I do however feel for those who get out and vote against the GOP, see sanity of their state slip away but lack the funds/means to be move out of the state).

This makes my head hurt. Can we have reality back please? I don't like this fiction.

So they are trying to reverse psychology their viewers...

Based on the comments under that article many will not be changing their minds.