Florida’s new surgeon general skeptical of vaccines, opposes masks

Ladapo signed the Great Barrington Declaration and suggests embracing "the reality of viral spread."

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[Haas Bioroid]

If face masks are pointless in spreading infections why do surgeons wear a face masks during an operation?

To hide their maniac laughters, of course.

 

[chefboy]

Florida politicians determined to kill as many of their citizens as possible.

Ron Desantis has killed more Americans in a year than the decade the US spent in Vietnam, or the two decades spent in Afghanistan. The best part is that it looks likely if Trump doesn't go for reelection in 24, Desantis will run. All the evidence points to the thought that the most clear and present danger to America is the Republican Party.

 

[GreyAreaUK]

And that's total BS. I'm pretty sure during the black plague pandemic they created herd immunity. They didn't have vaccines.

It wiped out a third of Europe, dickhead. That's not herd immunity.

Yet the other 66.6 percent didn't die.

And here we have it ladies and gentlemen: "I don't care how many die, so long as I'm not one of them".

But thank you for clearing up your troll status, and demonstrating that you can't even spell 'science' without an adult helping you with the 'i' and the 'e' part.

 

[Bloater51]

...the Dems made it nearly impossible to exist without it...

...ultra liberal...

Tell me you're anti-vax without telling me you're anti-vax.

I'm not antivax. I'm vaccinated.

You basically admitted you only got vaccinated because 'the Dems' forced you to.

I also frankly doubt you've witnessed anyone dying as a result of the vaccine.

Nice to call me a liar, but her name was Nanci. Lived in Upland, CA. I have no reason to lie to anyone. Does it matter why I got vacced? I'm not here to be the moral police on reasoning. I got it, it's done.

And strangely I still don't believe you.

To expand on that: the number of deaths reported as a result of the J&J is roughly 88. The population of the US is (rounded down) 350M. So the odds of you knowing one of those 88 is, roughly, 0.000025%

Deaths following vaccination is not the same as deaths caused by the vaccine. People do die for a variety of reasons and they have to be reported, but in the vast majority of cases there is no mechanism of causation. That is even assuming that the reports are honestly made in the first place, which in the case of vaccinations has to be questioned. A good deal of investigation has to be made before an adverse reaction can even be attributed as probably linked to a drug.

In Europe, including the UK, adverse reaction reports have been investigated in depth and the vaccines have proved to be very safe. Of course, we all know about American exceptionalism which mysteriously seems to extend to all sorts of things.

 

[Cadtag]

Have the local death tolls started surpassing the margins by which the GOP won elections last year?

Just wondering.

Yes, that point was reached several months ago

 

[GreyAreaUK]

Deaths following vaccination is not the same as deaths caused by the vaccine. People do die for a variety of reasons and they have to be reported, but in the vast majority of cases there is no mechanism of causation. That is even assuming that the reports are honestly made in the first place, which in the case of vaccinations has to be questioned. A good deal of investigation has to be made before an adverse reaction can even be attributed as probably linked to a drug.

In Europe, including the UK, adverse reaction reports have been investigated in depth and the vaccines have proved to be very safe. Of course, we all know about American exceptionalism which mysteriously seems to extend to all sorts of things.

Yep, concur. The 88 number was worst-case.

 

[balthazarr]

Actually no. The right to be left alone is just that. People must be smart enough to make the correct decisions for themselves. The minute politics got involved, it became untrusted. Sorry that's reality. Once again, people are going to die. IM NOT AN ANTIVAXXER. IM VACCINATED YA DUMDUM. I am a person who believes in choice however I have no ties to make society a better place. People within my circle, yes. But I hope other have a circle who can help them.

I shouldn't be surprised at this response - after all, you're quite blasé about one-third of Europe dying of plague, claiming that's equivalent to herd immunity.

You are an anti-vaxxer, as I've already endeavoured to explain, whether you've apparently vaccinated (doubtful) or not. You're a selfish prick - there's no other explanation for the 'as long as me and mine are fine, fuck everyone else, I don't owe society anything' attitude.

 

[DorkboyDC]

Florida gonna Florida. Even in California I feel like moving west to get farther from the crazy.

Times like this where I wish that Bugs Bunny skit where he saws Florida and it floats away were possible.

https://media3.giphy.com/media/zNyBPu5hEFpu/200.gif

 

[ardent]

How the fuck does someone like this earn a medical degree? It's like Boeing hiring a Chief Engineer that doesn't believe in the principles of aerodynamics....oh, wait, maybe that explains it all.

"They're just THEORIES!" [angry gesticulation]

 

[mhalpern]

And that's total BS. I'm pretty sure during the black plague pandemic they created herd immunity. They didn't have vaccines.

It wiped out a third of Europe, dickhead. That's not herd immunity.

Yet the other 66.6 percent didn't die.

How about when Europeans brought smallpox to the New World? between how they directly influenced living conditions and the disease itself, IIRC there was a ~90% fatality rate in the affected regions.

 

[Haas Bioroid]

And that's total BS. I'm pretty sure during the black plague pandemic they created herd immunity. They didn't have vaccines.

It wiped out a third of Europe, dickhead. That's not herd immunity.

Yet the other 66.6 percent didn't die.

How about when Europeans brought smallpox to the New World? between how they directly influenced living conditions and the disease itself, IIRC there was a ~90% fatality rate in the affected regions.

I think he doesn't care. As an individualist, he sure looks to agree with Stalin saying "one death is a tragedy, one million a statistic".

 

[davinia]

"completely reject fear as a way of making policies in public health"

Woops, they have a typo there...

"completely embrace convenience over safety as a way of making policies in public health"

There, I fixed it for them.

 

[PurpleChair]

I mean, Europe achieved herd immunity against the plague without the help of vaccine, amiright?

Not herd immunity. It's estimated the plague killed about 25 million people or about half of Europe's population at the time. The vast majority of people survived because they either quarantined themselves and waited till everyone around them that was sick had died or if they could afford it moved to an area wasn't densely populated.

It took nearly 300 years for Europes population to reach the numbers from before the plague.

And according to what I read, the plague kept resurfacing throughout that period of about 300 years. Not sure if that's what people mean when they talk about herd immunity.

Also, the plague is caused by a bacterium, not a virus. Does herd immunity even exist for a bacterial disease? I'm not a doctor.

 

[DarthSlack]

And that's total BS. I'm pretty sure during the black plague pandemic they created herd immunity. They didn't have vaccines.

It wiped out a third of Europe, dickhead. That's not herd immunity.

Yet the other 66.6 percent didn't die.

In other words, you're completely good with 100 million dead Americans. You see no problem with that whatsoever.

God what a ghoul.

 

[mhalpern]

I mean, Europe achieved herd immunity against the plague without the help of vaccine, amiright?

Not herd immunity. It's estimated the plague killed about 25 million people or about half of Europe's population at the time. The vast majority of people survived because they either quarantined themselves and waited till everyone around them that was sick had died or if they could afford it moved to an area wasn't densely populated.

It took nearly 300 years for Europes population to reach the numbers from before the plague.

And according to what I read, the plague kept resurfacing throughout that period of about 300 years. Not sure if that's what people mean when they talk about herd immunity.

Also, the plague is caused by a bacterium, not a virus. Does herd immunity even exist for a bacterial disease? I'm not a doctor.

immune systems still respond to bacterial infection, some people still have remains of antibodies for plague, however its believed in those 300 years it evolved to eventually become less deadly and infectious to humans, rather than humans building up a strong immunity,

 

[Bob Dobilina]

I'm thinking every time a un-vaxxed rube from FL dies from COVID we should change "thoughts & prayers" to "fruits & vegetables."

 

[NickHos]

And that's total BS. I'm pretty sure during the black plague pandemic they created herd immunity. They didn't have vaccines.

It wiped out a third of Europe, dickhead. That's not herd immunity.

Yet the other 66.6 percent didn't die.

And here we have it ladies and gentlemen: "I don't care how many die, so long as I'm not one of them".

But thank you for clearing up your troll status, and demonstrating that you can't even spell 'science' without an adult helping you with the 'i' and the 'e' part.

Troll? No. This is actually what I think. I'm an individualist. Not a socialist which it appears the US is headed that way cause the left has made it seem so nice and good to take care of everyone. It's not reality that everyone can be a billionaire. People have to want it for themselves.

Still need that plate of bangers, beans and mash?

An 'individualist'? No, you're just someone who has received a non-stop barrage of propaganda your entire life and believed it. You are as dependant on society to keep you safe, healthy, and fed as much as a card-carrying member of the communist party.

 

[gulthaw]

And that's the reason why in the last years I've grown to stop believing in democracy.

You just cannot deal with people voting against themselves, and there are too many people who just does that.
The only solution would be to teach people critical thinking etc. But some take that as an insult.

I'm done, I will only believe in an enlightened dictatorship where either AIs or aliens are in control. Humans have demonstrated they are too stupid to be trusted with the process.

See also: climate change

Don't believe in Democracy? I mean, there's always Venezuela....

*SIGH*

I KNOW you're trolling but for the sake of an intelligent conversation I'm going to try here.

If you check my posts I'm a Catalan pro-independence. Which democratically means that I'm one of ~3 million people in a country (Spain) of 47 million who would go for independence.

Now I know that will never go forward because the conquerors (aka Spain) have majority and control. That's point one.

Then you have the FACT that almost half of Spain (I'd say barely around 40%) are still pr-Franco, thus fascist, and the feeling "I don't care what it does to me if it fucks them" is not only American, is something I see around here as well.

So, democracy? Lost all meaning. It should've been the power to the people, for the people, by the people... but it currently is "the power to the one who can lie and convince people the most with no repercussions whatsoever "

Do you like that system? Cause I don't. And the answer I usually get is "form your own political party then!" , which equals bullshit because I don't know neither would like to know how to sell myself.

"But that's politics!" You might say, I call bullshit on that as well. That's why I said I believe in something that not only doesn't exist but it cannot with humans at the helm, enlightened dictatorship.
A process where smart, intelligent and sacrificed people take control of society thinking years and decades ahead, not the next election process.

P.S. I'm fully aware that an enlightened dictatorship that would take control of Europe / Spain would be against Catalan independence, but the pros I can imagine would more than enough justify that.

 

[NinjaNerd56]

Thoughts and Prayers.

There is nothing tangible that can be done, thoughts and prayers are all that we can send.

In my experience, growing up in red hat hell in the 50’s, people who depend on the latter rarely have the former.

I quit arguing with strangers decades ago. They either cry or get mad and try to hit me. With open carry now….grandma can have a bazooka in the pickup…it’s not worth the risk.

And my family has disowned me this last 2 years because real life Sheldon Cooper types are pariahs, not prize winners.

Don’t miss them or having to walk on eggshells at the dinner table. 70 years was enough.

 

[Dark Jaguar]

Nurgle demands unwilling sacrifices.

So Father Nurgle will be upset with Florida for offering up willing sacrifices?

Nurgle? Neeeerguuuul! Sorry, that name sounds like, some kinda geek name best said in long nasally form. Is that also a god of some kind? Perhaps the god of geekdom?

 

[CrystalCowboy]

At this point, let's just call DeSantis what he is. A serial killer.

Be fair now. He's also a parallel killer.

 

[mhalpern]

Nurgle demands unwilling sacrifices.

So Father Nurgle will be upset with Florida for offering up willing sacrifices?

Nurgle? Neeeerguuuul! Sorry, that name sounds like, some kinda geek name best said in long nasally form. Is that also a god of some kind? Perhaps the god of geekdom?

Warhammer 4k chaos god of disease and famine, his followers "generously" spread his "gifts" across the galaxy.

 

[Digitalclips]

Joseph Ladapo, a UCLA researcher known for opposing evidence-based mask mandates, vaccine mandates, and lockdowns.

Another fucking idiot.

I mean, Europe achieved herd immunity against the plague without the help of vaccine, amiright?

At a cost of only 25% of the population! It's a win. Really, /s

More like 2.5% with the caveat that is likely to be every year to maintain natural immunity.

Plus the numbers get worse as long covid also puts pressure on the health system.

The previous comment was referring to the plague victim numbers I believe, that in fact could have been half the World population by some estimates.

 

[CraigJ ✅]

Can I run NASA? I don't know anything much about rocketry, or Earth science, or satellite communication, or cosmology, or how the GPS constellation works, or how to harden electronics against space radiation, or how to manage complexity in large projects or safety in life-critical systems, but I do have strong opinions which is apparently the only qualification you need for a government job these days.

Have you ever hosted an AM talk radio show?

 

[Dark Jaguar]

Nurgle demands unwilling sacrifices.

So Father Nurgle will be upset with Florida for offering up willing sacrifices?

Nurgle? Neeeerguuuul! Sorry, that name sounds like, some kinda geek name best said in long nasally form. Is that also a god of some kind? Perhaps the god of geekdom?

Warhammer 4k chaos god of disease and famine, his followers "generously" spread his "gifts" across the galaxy.

Does Nurgle wear a pocket protector in his button-up shirt? Poor sick Nurgle...

Sorry, I'll stop. It's that name, it drags up unwanted images of every 80's and 90's era nerd stereotype and I just have to laugh. I'm sure he's a very big and scary god, in real life I mean. Well, um, not real life but you know.

In any case, this new "surgeon general" is definitly a Nurgle.

 

[mhalpern]

Nurgle demands unwilling sacrifices.

So Father Nurgle will be upset with Florida for offering up willing sacrifices?

Nurgle? Neeeerguuuul! Sorry, that name sounds like, some kinda geek name best said in long nasally form. Is that also a god of some kind? Perhaps the god of geekdom?

Warhammer 4k chaos god of disease and famine, his followers "generously" spread his "gifts" across the galaxy.

Does Nurgle wear a pocket protector in his button-up shirt? Poor sick Nurgle...

Sorry, I'll stop. It's that name, it drags up unwanted images of every 80's and 90's era nerd stereotype and I just have to laugh. I'm sure he's a very big and scary god, in real life I mean. Well, um, not real life but you know.

In any case, this new "surgeon general" is definitly a Nurgle.

dont really follow 40k much, only have surface knowledge, but lets just say even the " good guys" (don't really exist in 40k) have a rather brutal and gory aesthetic.

 

[agonypants]

The turds float to the top only when someone like Governor DeathSentence gets to choose "the best people." If you elect turds, you're choosing to surround yourself with more turds. In my world, turds go in the sewer, where they belong.

More proof of the septic tank school of thought...the biggest turds rise to the top.

 

[tucu]

Nurgle demands unwilling sacrifices.

So Father Nurgle will be upset with Florida for offering up willing sacrifices?

Nurgle? Neeeerguuuul! Sorry, that name sounds like, some kinda geek name best said in long nasally form. Is that also a god of some kind? Perhaps the god of geekdom?

Warhammer 4k chaos god of disease and famine, his followers "generously" spread his "gifts" across the galaxy.

Does Nurgle wear a pocket protector in his button-up shirt? Poor sick Nurgle...

Sorry, I'll stop. It's that name, it drags up unwanted images of every 80's and 90's era nerd stereotype and I just have to laugh. I'm sure he's a very big and scary god, in real life I mean. Well, um, not real life but you know.

In any case, this new "surgeon general" is definitly a Nurgle.

He looks like a healthier, less orange version of Donnie:

 

[Mr_Spock]

And that's total BS. I'm pretty sure during the black plague pandemic they created herd immunity. They didn't have vaccines.

It wiped out a third of Europe, dickhead. That's not herd immunity.

Yet the other 66.6 percent didn't die.

And here we have it ladies and gentlemen: "I don't care how many die, so long as I'm not one of them".

But thank you for clearing up your troll status, and demonstrating that you can't even spell 'science' without an adult helping you with the 'i' and the 'e' part.

Troll? No. This is actually what I think. I'm an individualist. Not a socialist which it appears the US is headed that way cause the left has made it seem so nice and good to take care of everyone. It's not reality that everyone can be a billionaire. People have to want it for themselves.

Still need that plate of bangers, beans and mash?

I believe you when you say you're an individualist. You've made apparent in your posts that you've had four people in or near your family die, and that you got vaccinated because of travel requirements over your own and your community's health.

Did you know that Washington mandated vaccines for his troops against smallpox? The needs of the many outweighed the wants of anyone under his command, and you know what? That was the right call to make.

Mandating vaccines is a step that maximizes freedom for us. Instead of having to force our lives to revolve around a disease, vaccination (in sufficient numbers) removes the extreme strain on a nation's systems and allows for the resuming of normal life.

Maintaining the philosophy of "me before we" leads to opinions like yours. As an example that may sound eerily familiar to yours: "for me to be able to continue working in my job, travelling to New York and California, I was made to get a COVID-19 vaccine series. It wasnt for my health, it wasnt for my family's health, it was for money."

You have proven that the social contract is dead in the United States, and your manly (no idea of your sex or gender, but I'm definitely using the toxic masculinity card), rugged Individualism is exactly what is working to snuff out hundreds of thousands of lives in the US, many of whom are dying right now from refusing the vaccination.

So, now that you've blatantly stated many opinions in this thread, answer me this: did you get the vaccination to protect yourself and your family, or did you only get the vaccine for continued income? Because if your answer is either "the former", or "both", then I have no clue why you're not using your personal power on a forum to recommend vaccination against this disease while instead pushing the individualism card that conveniently allows you to claim vaccination, for your paycheck, rather than being an adult and understanding the absolute basics of COVID-19 transmission, incubation times, communicability before symptoms, and the absolute need for everyone possible to get a vaccine.

If you think yourself to be a Great American based upon your stance, congratulations, you're not. You're one of the problems within American society that is preventing us from getting any semblance of control over what is now a treatable, preventable condition that reduces the need for ER/ICU visits and allows for a return to normalcy.

Why does your argument of individualism trump society's need for a healthy populace? What makes you so great? Why should we give any credence whatsoever to your stance on this topic?

 

[GreyAreaUK]

Why does your argument of individualism trump society's need for a healthy populace? What makes you so great? Why should we give any credence whatsoever to your stance on this topic?

I think a slightly more pithy version might be: there's a difference between being an individualist, and just being a selfish wanker.

 

[CraigJ ✅]

Troll? No. This is actually what I think. I'm an individualist. Not a socialist which it appears the US is headed that way cause the left has made it seem so nice and good to take care of everyone. It's not reality that everyone can be a billionaire. People have to want it for themselves.

Still need that plate of bangers, beans and mash?

Be honest. You have no idea what socialism actually is, do you?

Pop quiz - name just one country that's actually majority socialist. I'll wait.

 

[krimhorn]

Florida Man, Florida Man
Denies reality like only Florida can.
Approaches a Gator,
Gets eaten like a tater.
Florida Man.

 

[Shavano]

Does he also advocate for smoking to reduce lung cancer?

 

[CraigJ ✅]

Why does your argument of individualism trump society's need for a healthy populace? What makes you so great? Why should we give any credence whatsoever to your stance on this topic?

I think a slightly more pithy version might be: there's a difference between being an individualist, and just being a selfish wanker.

People that define themselves as an "individualist" or as a "libertarian" almost universally turn out to narcissistic douche canoes, stupid, or ignorant. Usually large helpings of all three.

Really, people who primarily identify themselves as a member of some group, ism, or class generally turn out to be insufferable pricks.

"Ism's in my opinion are not good."

 

[Stern]

Sorry, I'll stop. It's that name, it drags up unwanted images of every 80's and 90's era nerd stereotype and I just have to laugh.

Nurgle or just Warhammer in general?

 

[Dark Jaguar]

Sorry, I'll stop. It's that name, it drags up unwanted images of every 80's and 90's era nerd stereotype and I just have to laugh.

Nurgle or Warhammer?

Nurgle! *pushes glasses up nose*

 

[Hopefully Smarter]

Hope Florida gets swallowed by the ocean