House bill seeks to gut NASA’s Artemis plan, resurrect Journey to Mars

Lawmakers also appear to like cost-plus contracts.

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[daveishereagain]

Imbrium
"is also the deficit increasing administration.
Rethugs are notoriously bad at basic math"

You mean like your maths on the previous administration.

However good my maths is, the world is in a debt bubble.
F*cking owned pal.

Apparently. like your dimwitted dictator wannabe president, you don't like actual facts, so you resort to profanity and name calling. As you say, not a good look.

No it isnt a good look, so why would do it? do you have any self-awareness?
What 'name' did I call you?
Owned again pal

If you think you owned me, you are delusional. I've eaten ignorant trolls like you for breakfast for years. I never said you called me a name, I said that you used profanity. I wouldn't bother calling you names, as you aren't worth the time and effort.

Try reading comprehension some time, as well as brushing up on your basic math.

I'm guessing he's a mid-teen, maybe 15-16. His chest thumping is quite hilarious.

 

[daveishereagain]

Trolls strollin',strollin'in.
Trollin' trolls strollin'. strollin' in, strollin' in. Strollin' trolls trollin'. Trolls strollin' in, strollin' in.

Pathetic.
Tell us again how replying to the same post twice ruined your day.
Could't care less about your ideoology. Your'e clearly a Narcissist.
Speak soon. I've got all day for you children.

Wow. He went for the 3rd grade name-calling strategy. What's next? Insulting my sister or going right for my mom? OR maybe calling me a booger eater. We got a high class fish on the hook here by golly!

Yep, 'failed to load' just about sums up your contribution here today.

It was a screenshot of your poor behaviour and hypocrissy uploaded to imgur which is not supported it seems.
Ironically a summary of your awful day, not just a techincal error.

You couldn't ruin my day in a million years chuckles. That would mean I give a fuck what you think. You're simply entertainment between meals.

Edit- so I guess that's a "No, I don't have the capacity to discuss the issues of the article." I thought not. I'm done with you. You're already boring.

 

[Imbrium]

Pathetic.
Tell us again how replying to the same post twice ruined your day.
Could't care less about your ideoology. Your'e clearly a Narcissist.
Speak soon. I've got all day for you children.[/quote]
Wow. He went for the 3rd grade name-calling strategy. What's next? Insulting my sister or going right for my mom? OR maybe calling me a booger eater. We got a high class fish on the hook here by golly![/quote]

[/quote]Yep, 'failed to load' just about sums up your contribution here today.[/quote]

It was a screenshot of your poor behaviour and hypocrissy uploaded to imgur which is not supported it seems.
Ironically a summary of your awful day, not just a techincal error.[/quote]

Apparently you need to add spelling to the list of things you need to brush up on.

 

[tripodal]

What is there on the moon that is so valuable for there to be a land rush? I've always been under the impression that the moon's most useful feature is its gravity.

Water ice, which would be much easier to haul to LEO than it is from Earth. Too bad there's no methane.

How many farts do we need to recycle on the iss in order to fuel a rocket?

 

[Ushio]

2004: We're going back to the Moon!

2015: No, fuck that, we're going to Mars!

2017: No, shit, the Moon we meant we're going to the Moon!

2018: Sorry, that was supposed to be Mars.

2019: Moon, we meant to say the Moon.

2020: MARS, GODDAMMIT!! ON A BILLION-PLUS-DOLLAR ROCKET THAT CAN'T LAUNCH MORE THAN ONCE A YEAR!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yep I've said it before but it bears repeating, our long term space program goal has been going back and forth like Daffy and Bugs arguing if it's rabbit season or duck season for decades now.

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

FFS just pick one and get it done! I don't even care which at this point. SpaceX is literally going to spool up an entire Mars colony on it's own dime while these chucklefucks keep doing flip flops.

Edit: auto correct gets me again

It wouldn't surprise me to start seeing flip flops every quarter. April? We're going to the Moon again. July? Back to Mars.

Fucking ridiculous.

This is one of the reasons I seriously advocate for putting the manned program on indefinite hiatus. It's become clear that its only purpose is to funnel tax dollars to specific districts and contractors, not to further manned presence in space for whatever reason.

No American will set foot on the Moon again or on Mars as part of a national space program. That window was nailed and superglued shut after Apollo 17. They may do it as part of a private or commercial operation from SpaceX or BO or some other player, but not as part of a NASA mission. Even if this proposal gets shitcanned on the House floor, others will follow to pull the rug out just as metal is getting bent for Artemis elements beyond SLS.

JSC and MSFC will become the graveyards of dozens of prototypes and not-quite-finished concepts for getting to/landing on/living on the Moon and Mars, none of which will ever fly. Apollo will be NASA's (and the US') only manned BEO accomplishment.

How is the Moon BEO? the Moon orbits the Earth, beyond-low Earth orbit (BLEO) would be the correct term.

 

[przemo_li]

What is there on the moon that is so valuable for there to be a land rush? I've always been under the impression that the moon's most useful feature is its gravity.

Real estate for military bases and installations. Nukes and anti-satellite weaponry.
However, so far nobody needs it, and that's why Moon was left dangling (not) in air.

PS Moon is also acceptable target for your population. Important factor when you look for excuses for developing rockets capable to deliver nuclear weaponry to any place on earth.

 

[Batmanuel]

I imagined Darth Vader theme playing as a background on this article.

"Help us Elon Musk, you're our only hope!"

 

[Chris_In_Iowa]

What is there on the moon that is so valuable for there to be a land rush?

It's a better proof of concept.

Mars has a problem. It has just enough atmosphere and gravity to be trouble but not enough to be useful. Landing on Mars with enough fuel to leave Mars is a daunting problem, it will require multiple landers and potentially resource extraction. If these processes fail, the crew dies.

The stakes are lower on the moon. It's easily possible to carry enough fuel to land and leave. It makes for a better testbed for the processes that will need to occur on a Mars mission.

 

[daveishereagain]

OK, a troll has hijacked the thread. I'll check back later. He reminds me of a notorious troll. Gary? Is that you?

 

[Snark218]

Imbrium
"is also the deficit increasing administration.
Rethugs are notoriously bad at basic math"

Ha ha . You mean like your maths on the previous administration!
However good my maths is, the world is in a debt bubble.
F*cking owned pal.

Your written English is super weird. Language like "maths" and "speak soon" are weird turns of phrase a native speaker would be really unlikely to use, and your frequent misspellings are also not typical of someone literate in this language.

 

[Imbrium]

Imbrium
Apparently you need to add spelling to the list of things you need to brush up on.

Are you sure you want to continue getting owned?
Your HTML formatting is far more important than my spelling.

What's this list you speak off? Your diversion technique using lies warrant reporting to the mods. It's childish.

Please, please, please report me to the mods, as I have no doubt that you will be the one that is chucked out the window. Your to do list is:

1. Improve reading comprehension
2. Improve math skills
3. Improve spelling

I'm sure that after you accomplish all those things, you'll find some time to point out any lies I have said.

Owned? By you? Dream on, buddy.

 

[vanzandtj]

What is there on the moon that is so valuable for there to be a land rush? I've always been under the impression that the moon's most useful feature is its gravity.

Water ice, which would be much easier to haul to LEO than it is from Earth. Too bad there's no methane.

Precious metals is one good reason for a land rush.

Nope. Whatever you can find on an asteroid or the moon, it's going to be cheaper to mine it on Earth than to bring it back here. The only exception is reaction mass, like water ice.

Wouldn't simply find another source of resources in our solar system be a good thing? Even if the costs don't make sense right now to bring it back to Earth the resources could be used where they are found. Eventually with enough players on board the costs would go down.

I feel like if we're going to push for new frontiers lets push for something that can become useful vs putting a flag on the planet and forgetting about it for the next few decades.

Yes, and this is what should justify government funding of research bases on both the Moon and Mars. Also thorough investigation of some asteroids. (Not necessarily with manned expeditions - I actually think bringing a small asteroid back to lunar orbit was a good idea.) Discover what's there. If/when some resource turns out to be valuable, then let commercial interests fund the next stages of development.

I personally expect that lunar or asteroid mining will be profitable sooner than anything on Mars. I've already seen an analysis that says collecting lunar He3 would already be profitable enough to pay for the EML1 elevator - and that's without aneutronic fusion. (Wildly optimistic, but still.)

But I wouldn't be surprised SpaceX Mars landing first, then a Chinese base, then an American base.

 

[Imbrium]

Imbrium
Apparently you need to add spelling to the list of things you need to brush up on.

Are you sure you want to continue getting owned?
Your HTML formatting is far more important than my spelling.

What's this list you speak off? Your diversion technique using lies warrant reporting to the mods. It's childish.

Please, please, please report me to the mods, as I have no doubt that you will be the one that is chucked out the window. Your to do list is:

1. Improve reading comprehension
2. Improve math skills
3. Improve spelling

I'm sure that after you accomplish all those things, you'll find some time to point out any lies I have said.

Owned? By you? Dream on, buddy.

You f*ked up your HTML whilst calling me out for spelling. Nobody could follow the thread pal.
Now, stop stalking me.

Gee, I'm still here, despite you threatening to report me to the moderator. If you can't follow the thread, it seems like you need to add yet another task to your list, as everyone else here has proven to be quite capable of following along.

Now, either contribute to the thread like an adult, or STFU.

 

[NezumiRho]

I imagined Darth Vader theme playing as a background on this article.

"Help us Elon Musk, you're our only hope!"

I appreciate the idea, but I'd rather have multiple hopes.

...set up the cloning pods!

 

[mhalpern]

OK, a troll has hijacked the thread. I'll check back later. He reminds me of a notorious troll. Gary? Is that you?

Yes why would you do that?
Answer = Narcissism.
You got owned then diverted.

Out of curiosity what are your thoughts on the Orion drive?
Or about the idea that we dont necessarily need a gov owned and operated launch vehicle to get crew to and from Mars?

 

[JerryLove]

I watched the first moon landing in 1969 when I was 5 on a B&W TV.

50 years later and NASA has accomplished NOTHING with manned space flight.

While I agree with the sentiment that this jobs-program-that-isn't-bothered-to-get-good is a bad thing: Saying we've done nothing with manned flight is patently untrue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internati ... ce_Station

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle

And what we've done unmanned is downright phenomenal.

 

[JerryLove]

OK, a troll has hijacked the thread. I'll check back later. He reminds me of a notorious troll. Gary? Is that you?

Yes why would you do that?
Answer = Narcissism.
You got owned then diverted.

Out of curiosity what are your thoughts on the Orion drive?
Or about the idea that we dont necessarily need a gov owned and operated launch vehicle to get crew to and from Mars?

You need massive funding to get a crew to and from Mars.

 

[nzod]

Engaging the troll makes for a boring read : /

 

[Wickwick]

I watched the first moon landing in 1969 when I was 5 on a B&W TV.

50 years later and NASA has accomplished NOTHING with manned space flight.

While I agree with the sentiment that this jobs-program-that-isn't-bothered-to-get-good is a bad thing: Saying we've done nothing with manned flight is patently untrue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internati ... ce_Station

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle

And what we've done unmanned is downright phenomenal.

I was going to say we've done nothing new in space since Apollo but that's not quite true. We've managed to kill two entire crews of astronauts while on-mission. Neither was technically "in space" but that's about the only thing we've done. We've had some long stays at the ISS, but really the Soviets/Russians already had far more experience than us at that.

 

[mhalpern]

OK, a troll has hijacked the thread. I'll check back later. He reminds me of a notorious troll. Gary? Is that you?

Yes why would you do that?
Answer = Narcissism.
You got owned then diverted.

Out of curiosity what are your thoughts on the Orion drive?
Or about the idea that we dont necessarily need a gov owned and operated launch vehicle to get crew to and from Mars?

You need massive funding to get a crew to and from Mars.

like almost all HSF activities and spaceflight activities in general ATM but that doesn't mean only major governments can own and operate the launch vehicles for the job. My questions were however more to identify if we know who this troll is from other accounts

 

[Machismo]

Congratulations to Congresswoman Kenda Horn (D) of Oklahoma. I hope your constituents become well aware of your efforts to stifle competition, waste our tax dollars, and coddle to a massive defense contractor.

 

[mhalpern]

Imbrium
Apparently you need to add spelling to the list of things you need to brush up on.

Are you sure you want to continue getting owned?
Your HTML formatting is far more important than my spelling.

What's this list you speak off? Your diversion technique using lies warrant reporting to the mods. It's childish.

Please, please, please report me to the mods, as I have no doubt that you will be the one that is chucked out the window. Your to do list is:

1. Improve reading comprehension
2. Improve math skills
3. Improve spelling

I'm sure that after you accomplish all those things, you'll find some time to point out any lies I have said.

Owned? By you? Dream on, buddy.

You f*ked up your HTML whilst calling me out for typo/spelling. Nobody could follow the thread pal.
Perhaps you should check your maths when claiming the previous administration didnt increase the deficit.
Now, stop stalking me.

Hmm complaining about stalking on an online forum where the account in use hasnt been active on said forums until recently while those they are complaining about have been active regularly for a while... Hi Gary

 

[blackhawk887]

You need massive funding to get a crew to and from Mars.

Not that massive for a cost-optimized effort. Tens of billions, probably, but much less then hundreds. Many companies and some individuals could do it right now, and even more when someone perfects fully reusable rockets.

 

[KnightSpawn]

The Congress critters are getting roped into improving Boeing's bottom line. Boeing; the company that can't be bothered to inform pilots how to turn off the plane's new auto-faceplanting MCAS system, can't get all the parachutes on their space capsule to deploy, can't get the (I'm guessing egg-timer based) mission timers on their test rockets to sync up. There's a whole lot of "Can't do it" emanating from Boeing these days. There should be a whole lot more "Can't do it" coming from the idiots who keep signing contracts with Boeing until they prove they can contribute more than budget overages and delays to a job.

 

[Speakertoanimals]

Congratulations to Congresswoman Kenda Horn (D) of Oklahoma. I hope your constituents become well aware of your efforts to stifle competition, waste our tax dollars, and coddle to a massive defense contractor.

Repeat after me: "The congress critters in (insert your political party here) are mostly corrupt and self serving".

 

[NezumiRho]

You need massive funding to get a crew to and from Mars.

Not that massive for a cost-optimized effort. Tens of billions, probably, but much less then hundreds. Many companies and some individuals could do it right now, and even more when someone perfects fully reusable rockets.

To add, the amount needed for a mission to Mars isn't a one-lump sum to be paid in one go; it can be paid for in parts, to develop each of the technologies needed-- and dare I say is being done, with Starship and the progress leading up to it as an example.

 

[mhalpern]

Congratulations to Congresswoman Kenda Horn (D) of Oklahoma. I hope your constituents become well aware of your efforts to stifle competition, waste our tax dollars, and coddle to a massive defense contractor.

Repeat after me: "The congress critters in (insert your political party here) are mostly corrupt and self serving".

Pork is a bipartisan dish.

 

[daveishereagain]

Imbrium
Apparently you need to add spelling to the list of things you need to brush up on.

Are you sure you want to continue getting owned?
Your HTML formatting is far more important than my spelling.

What's this list you speak off? Your diversion technique using lies warrant reporting to the mods. It's childish.

Please, please, please report me to the mods, as I have no doubt that you will be the one that is chucked out the window. Your to do list is:

1. Improve reading comprehension
2. Improve math skills
3. Improve spelling

I'm sure that after you accomplish all those things, you'll find some time to point out any lies I have said.

Owned? By you? Dream on, buddy.

You f*ked up your HTML whilst calling me out for typo/spelling. Nobody could follow the thread pal.
Perhaps you should check your maths when claiming the previous administration didnt increase the deficit.
Now, stop stalking me.

Hmm complaining about stalking on an online forum where the account in use hasnt been active on said forums until recently while those they are complaining about have been active regularly for a while... Hi Gary

Yep, it's Gary. He absolutely ruined the Space News forum, but there isn't any moderation there. He'll be gone from here eventually.

 

[mhalpern]

Imbrium
Apparently you need to add spelling to the list of things you need to brush up on.

Are you sure you want to continue getting owned?
Your HTML formatting is far more important than my spelling.

What's this list you speak off? Your diversion technique using lies warrant reporting to the mods. It's childish.

Please, please, please report me to the mods, as I have no doubt that you will be the one that is chucked out the window. Your to do list is:

1. Improve reading comprehension
2. Improve math skills
3. Improve spelling

I'm sure that after you accomplish all those things, you'll find some time to point out any lies I have said.

Owned? By you? Dream on, buddy.

You f*ked up your HTML whilst calling me out for typo/spelling. Nobody could follow the thread pal.
Perhaps you should check your maths when claiming the previous administration didnt increase the deficit.
Now, stop stalking me.

Hmm complaining about stalking on an online forum where the account in use hasnt been active on said forums until recently while those they are complaining about have been active regularly for a while... Hi Gary

Yep, it's Gary. He absolutely ruined the Space News forum, but there isn't any moderation there. He'll be gone from here eventually.

He hasn't been around SN for a few months as far as I can tell, could be wrong my activity there has dropped, but he does end up there for extended periods before finally being removed...

 

[Atterus]

You need massive funding to get a crew to and from Mars.

Not that massive for a cost-optimized effort. Tens of billions, probably, but much less then hundreds. Many companies and some individuals could do it right now, and even more when someone perfects fully reusable rockets.

Case and point: SpaceX already building a prototype while the government is celebrating a accomplishment that was never impressive to anyone but the people with blinders on (late and over budget). The government is behind the curve already, so "money" doesn't seem to be the sole factor (or the key one).

Money in =/= quality or efficiency, not when the government is directly involved. You get some competition though, and when this boondoggle fails, heads roll since there is a measuring stick. At the very least, it motivates lean spending and accountability. The reason these House members keep getting reelected is because they can hide behind "no alternatives", but SpaceX has exposed a ton of their corruption by doing what they've failed (intentionally) to do for decades, quicker, safer, cheaper. Proving that you DON'T need government to do this stuff (once upon a time, sure, but the government has recently been systematically chasing off all the experts that knew how and replacing them with yes-men empty suits...).

 

[rochrist]

Hand it over to the company that brought us the 737 Max? What could possibly go wrong???

 

[PhredDaKat]

All of us should be contacting our state representatives today to put in our opinions.
Government NOT for the people.

 

[daveishereagain]

You need massive funding to get a crew to and from Mars.

Not that massive for a cost-optimized effort. Tens of billions, probably, but much less then hundreds. Many companies and some individuals could do it right now, and even more when someone perfects fully reusable rockets.

Case and point: SpaceX already building a prototype while the government is celebrating a accomplishment that was never impressive to anyone but the people with blinders on (late and over budget). The government is behind the curve already, so "money" doesn't seem to be the sole factor (or the key one).

Money in =/= quality or efficiency, not when the government is directly involved. You get some competition though, and when this boondoggle fails, heads roll since there is a measuring stick. At the very least, it motivates lean spending and accountability. The reason these House members keep getting reelected is because they can hide behind "no alternatives", but SpaceX has exposed a ton of their corruption by doing what they've failed (intentionally) to do for decades, quicker, safer, cheaper. Proving that you DON'T need government to do this stuff (once upon a time, sure, but the government has recently been systematically chasing off all the experts that knew how and replacing them with yes-men empty suits...).

Well said and spot on. Government has now become an impediment to moving out into the next frontier instead of a catalyst.