Klout is out—social media mojo-ranking service to shutter

Status
Not open for further replies.
Where else will I go when I want to bro down and crush code?

edit:
For fuck sake what the fuck is with the downvotes?
Do you people not know anything?!

Seriously, people..
http://jonathonhill.net/wp-content/uplo ... rodown.jpg
On a thread where half the people are saying "Klout? I don't remember it, but it sound horrible," and the other half are saying "Gee I heard about that when it launched, but I thought it already went under..." it's highly unlikely anyone remembers that pic you just added in the edit.

Which leads me to my actual question:
Did Klout itself actually put out that ridiculous poster, or is it a parody?

Because "Bro down and crush code" is pretty self-parodic even for Klout.
 
Upvote
9 (11 / -2)

Marlor_AU

Ars Tribunus Angusticlavius
7,758
Subscriptor
edit:
For fuck sake what the fuck is with the downvotes?
Do you people not know anything?!

Honestly, I'd never heard of Klout before today, let alone some meme about it. So no, I know nothing it seems.

EDIT: No, I didn't downvote you, but if you post a reference to a meme, you can be pretty sure there's going to be a significant percentage of people who don't get it. That's the risk with referential humour.
 
Upvote
8 (9 / -1)

ampet

Ars Scholae Palatinae
1,186
Upvote
6 (7 / -1)

Lagrange

Ars Tribunus Angusticlavius
6,651
Good riddance.
It still boggles my mind that there were people using it, and they got VC money at all.

A lot of VC 'investment' ends up being little more than gambling on the off chance that someone buys out your share for even more than you paid, regardless of the underlying worth of the company.

I'm just wondering what kind of sociopath comes up with a business like Klout in the first place.
 
Upvote
6 (6 / 0)

Spudley

Ars Scholae Palatinae
796
During the brief interactions I had with Klout, I found that they managed to combine the comically incorrect with the frighteningly accurate.

A mix between "seriously? why do you think I'm an expert in that topic, when I only mentioned once it in passing?" and "woah. How the hell did they know that I've got knowledge in that topic when I make a point of never discussing it anywhere on social media?"
 
Upvote
7 (7 / 0)

grommit!

Ars Legatus Legionis
20,776
Subscriptor
Where else will I go when I want to bro down and crush code?

edit:
For fuck sake what the fuck is with the downvotes?
Do you people not know anything?!

Seriously, people..
http://jonathonhill.net/wp-content/uplo ... rodown.jpg
As of now (10.14 UTC+2), you have one downvote.

One.

Of course, maybe your downvoters scrambled en masse to retract their vote after your edit...

I see that's changed, most likely because it's an ars tradition to downvote people who complain about being ... downvoted :D
 
Upvote
9 (9 / 0)
TIL there was a thing called Klout.
Totally. I saw another article about it today, and thought that it was actually that hilariously ill-conceived social media company that came up with the idea of being able to rate other people, like Yelp. They seemed genuinely confused when there was a backlash over the idea that someone could publicly rate you, without your blessing.

Did that one ever get off the ground? I know they decided to only collect ratings on willing participants, but that was an amazing example of the entire internet saying "NO!" in one unified voice.

You're thinking of Peeple, and yes, a bastardized form of it exists on the Apple App Store as opt-in only, but nobody uses it. Which is probably a good thing since the co-founders and the company are Canadian, and we don't have a section 230 of the CDA. So the original goal of that "slander-as-a-service" (as The Register put it) idea would have ended in tears in a Canadian court room, I think.
 
Upvote
2 (2 / 0)

BlueTemplar

Ars Scholae Palatinae
732
Sounds like that Klout took Cory Doctorow's reputation economy -
(first featured in his first, 2003 novel, "Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom" as the "Whuffie" currency)
- and ran with it, missing that Cory intended it to be a dystopian, rather than utopian feature :
https://locusmag.com/2016/03/cory-docto ... economies/
(Perhaps he was too subtle in the book? It took me quite some time to get it...)

[url=https://locusmag.com/2016/03/cory-doctorow-wealth-inequality-is-even-worse-in-reputation-economies/:2o0i05f6 said:
Cory Doctorow[/url]":2o0i05f6]
Whuffie has all the problems of money, and then a bunch more that are unique to it. In Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom, we see how Whuffie – despite its claims to being ‘‘meritocratic’’ – ends up pooling up around sociopathic jerks who know how to flatter, cajole, or terrorize their way to the top. Once you have a lot of Whuffie – once a lot of people hold you to be reputable – other people bend over backwards to give you opportunities to do things that make you even more reputable, putting you in a position where you can speechify, lead, drive the golden spike, and generally take credit for everything that goes well, while blaming all the screw-ups on lesser mortals.

[...]

It’s bad enough when the meritocratic delusion takes root in a money-driven economy, but reputation’s one percenters are even more toxic. They can go spectacularly bankrupt, financially ruining their investors, and promptly raise another fortune to gamble on.

Reputation is a terrible currency.

[...]

reputation is useless as a hedge against the real nightmare of a setup like Ebay: the long con

[...]

If [Peeple] ever took off, it’d be a lever that the likes of Gamergate could use to destroy your’s employment and personal life, possibly permanently, just by mass-one-starring you.

[...]

But Peeple is a modest effort compared to ‘‘Citizen Scores,’’ the for-now-voluntary service run by the Chinese government in partnership with Tencent (a huge social media and games company) and Alibaba (China’s answer to Amazon). Your citizen score is visible to everyone the government wants – buying socially approved items, undertaking approved leisure activities, adhering to rules and regulations, and socializing with other high-score individuals. Of course, not doing these things makes your score go down. Just being friends with low-scoring individuals drags your own score down, creating a powerful incentive to conform.

Mandatory Citizen Scores are being phased in over the next decade, and with other ‘‘soft’’ tools of control developed by China, it promises to be more powerful than any overt coercion.

[...]

Citizen Scores are a near-perfect expression of reputation economics: like most other forms of currency, they are issued by a central bank that uses them to try and influence social outcomes. In this case, those outcomes are perfect obedience to the state.
That was written 2 years ago,
this month we have Amazon having a real fake review problem,
with "shills being paid cash to order a product, photograph it on arrival, and write a glowing, 5-star review",
and last month we had a journalist critical of the Chinese state unable to buy plane tickets, property, or to send his children to private school due to low Citizen Score.

BTW, Klout/Lithium's "new social-impact scoring methodology based on Twitter" might be cheaper, but will be even less accurate, considering that they expect social impact by only following a single website !
 
Upvote
6 (6 / 0)

BlueTemplar

Ars Scholae Palatinae
732
Came for a "Meow Meow Beenz" reference...
Left disappointed...
How could I forget about it!

Community - "App Development and Condiments" S05E08 :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CI4kiPaKfAE

Let me do penance by spreading memes :
abed-meowmeowbeenz.gif

(They forgot the punchline, he continues and ends by : "I've never felt more alive."... but then you will only get it if you know who Abed is!)
EDIT: Ok, fine, I'll dial it down...
 
Upvote
-4 (1 / -5)

BlueTemplar

Ars Scholae Palatinae
732
I'm starting to think the GDPR is one of the best things to ever happen to the internet.
I'm still wondering about some edge cases...

1.) Like, as a small business owner, are you forced to keep your smartphone business phonebook completely siloed out from your private phonebook, under pain of (potential) prosecution?

2.) If a client asks you to, are you forced to remove his contact/address from your paper phonebook ?

3.) IP addresses are considered by GDPR to be personal information, how does that work out in practice considering that the whole Internet routing infrastructure cannot work without sending them around and storing them, and would grind to a halt if they had to ask each time for authorization?

4.) What about the transistor-based storage (SSD, flash) that in practice cannot be completely erased without physically destroying it? (Think of shared servers!)

5.) Somewhat sillier, a parrot (or human) brain are also "information storage devices", do I have to get rid of a parrot / erase my memories of a customer that demands me to?
(Also, it might seem silly now, but think of the many Black Mirror episodes that seem pretty close or have already "happened", and also think of how many decades these laws tend to stay around - in my case, the last big update of this law was 40 years ago...)
 
Upvote
2 (3 / -1)

Adam Starkey

Ars Scholae Palatinae
1,040
Subscriptor
Where else will I go when I want to bro down and crush code?

edit:
For fuck sake what the fuck is with the downvotes?
Do you people not know anything?!

Seriously, people..
http://jonathonhill.net/wp-content/uplo ... rodown.jpg


Ahh.. those guys. Felt like I'd heard the name before but couldn't put any kind of product to it.

I sincerely hope that the next generation will look back on the Social Network craze much like mine looked back on the hippy movement: "OK guys I kind of get the idea, but seriously, you thought that'd work out long term?"
 
Upvote
3 (3 / 0)
Where else will I go when I want to bro down and crush code?

edit:
For fuck sake what the fuck is with the downvotes?
Do you people not know anything?!

Seriously, people..
http://jonathonhill.net/wp-content/uplo ... rodown.jpg


Ahh.. those guys. Felt like I'd heard the name before but couldn't put any kind of product to it.

I sincerely hope that the next generation will look back on the Social Network craze much like mine looked back on the hippy movement: "OK guys I kind of get the idea, but seriously, you thought that'd work out long term?"
I'm sure that they'll do.
Except that if the hippies would have succeeded, we would have had world peace, a preserved biosphere, and therefore a much higher chance of a lasting civilization :
"Alternatives to Nihilism, Part One: A Dog Named Boo"
If the "Social Networkers" succeed (and they still might), we'll have a Brave New World-like "happy" dystopia (for a variable number of quotes around happy and dystopia).
 
Upvote
-1 (0 / -1)
edit:
For fuck sake what the fuck is with the downvotes?
Do you people not know anything?!

Honestly, I'd never heard of Klout before today, let alone some meme about it. So no, I know nothing it seems.

EDIT: No, I didn't downvote you, but if you post a reference to a meme, you can be pretty sure there's going to be a significant percentage of people who don't get it. That's the risk with referential humour.

"I don't understand it, therefore, I oppose it! HULK SMASH!! HULK DOWNVOTE!!"
 
Upvote
-4 (1 / -5)
edit:
For fuck sake what the fuck is with the downvotes?
Do you people not know anything?!

Honestly, I'd never heard of Klout before today, let alone some meme about it. So no, I know nothing it seems.

EDIT: No, I didn't downvote you, but if you post a reference to a meme, you can be pretty sure there's going to be a significant percentage of people who don't get it. That's the risk with referential humour.

"I don't understand it, therefore, I oppose it! HULK SMASH!! HULK DOWNVOTE!!"
More like "I didn't get your in-reference and so I didn't think it was funny, didn't add to the discussion, so downvoted."

It's amazing how some people accuse anyone of downvoting their "jokes" as "someone with no sense of humor." Maybe you're just not that fucking funny. Almost like mindlessly regurgitating memes isn't really original or clever?
 
Upvote
3 (3 / 0)

Marlor_AU

Ars Tribunus Angusticlavius
7,758
Subscriptor
edit:
For fuck sake what the fuck is with the downvotes?
Do you people not know anything?!

Honestly, I'd never heard of Klout before today, let alone some meme about it. So no, I know nothing it seems.

EDIT: No, I didn't downvote you, but if you post a reference to a meme, you can be pretty sure there's going to be a significant percentage of people who don't get it. That's the risk with referential humour.

"I don't understand it, therefore, I oppose it! HULK SMASH!! HULK DOWNVOTE!!"
More like "I didn't get your in-reference and so I didn't think it was funny, didn't add to the discussion, so downvoted."

It's amazing how some people accuse anyone of downvoting their "jokes" as "someone with no sense of humor." Maybe you're just not that fucking funny. Almost like mindlessly regurgitating memes isn't really original or clever?

It's the Family Guy school of humour. "Here's something that everyone agrees is funny, so we'll repeat it, so we're funny too".

Sometimes it works, but sometimes it wasn't funny in the first place, and sometimes the repetition is just plain dull.

For referential humour to work, it needs to add something to the original. Maybe apply it in a new context, or spin it in a different direction. Just repeating a meme isn't funny. A bot could do it ("We found 1 match for Klout in our meme database... posting it now. Hilarity will ensue. Beeeep").

It also needs to be popular enough in the first place to make the joke work, otherwise you're just hoping people will find it appealing purely by recognizing it: "Yeah, I heard that obscure meme too. High five!".
 
Upvote
1 (1 / 0)

Saikaici

Ars Praefectus
3,630
Subscriptor
During the brief interactions I had with Klout, I found that they managed to combine the comically incorrect with the frighteningly accurate.

A mix between "seriously? why do you think I'm an expert in that topic, when I only mentioned once it in passing?" and "woah. How the hell did they know that I've got knowledge in that topic when I make a point of never discussing it anywhere on social media?"

How much of that is firing a shotgun into a birdcage? You're gonna miss most of the pellets, but some are bound to hit.
 
Upvote
0 (0 / 0)
Status
Not open for further replies.