<em>Lower Decks</em> and <em>Strange New Worlds</em> have a lot of fun blending their styles.
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Two great Star Trek shows revive the lost art of the gimmicky crossover episode
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I kinda wish paramount+ had waited on releasing it because I couldn't make myself wait until Thursday - they messed up the titration of my weekly trek dose, man.
For something that could have easily turned into slapstick (not that it would have necessarily have been a bad thing), I really appreciate it that the show was mostly just SNW and not over the top. That last scene was the perfect touch of LD nuttiness.
For something that could have easily turned into slapstick (not that it would have necessarily have been a bad thing), I really appreciate it that the show was mostly just SNW and not over the top. That last scene was the perfect touch of LD nuttiness.
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Ah, then I have good news for you my friend: this was basically a Christmas in July gift from Paramount+. We get episode 8 this Thursday (five days from now). They basically moved everything up a week just so that we could get this episode dropped as a giant weekend surprise.
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I loved the response from the SNW crew to the "stuck in a dystopian San Francisco in the middle of a riot,” line.
And as everyone else has said wow. That episode really was amazing.
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Nah. Gonna skip it. I get second hand embarrassment too easily.
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If I remember correctly the CW superhero shows did a crossover musical episode with the Flash and Supergirl.
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Good news! Between Strange New Worlds and Lower Decks, we have two decent Trek series!
In fact, both of them frequently creep up on great.
It's too bad they're not following in the footsteps of such un-gimmicky episodes as the one with the gangster planet, the one with the Nazi planet, or the one where Abraham Lincoln helps beat up Genghis Khan, though.
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To be fair, the two leads were former cast members of Glee, and they had a couple of old stage hams in the form of Victor Gerber and John Barrowman. It was kind of inevitable they'd burst out in song at some point.
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I remember being so childish I could only like things if they were "age-appropriate" for my very mature-ass adult grownup self. Boy, that Snyderverse thing brought back some memories. Wow. Woo. Boy howdy.I can't get into 'lower decks' since I'm over 14.
The good news is, you'll grow out of it and there'll be a ton of Lower Decks to catch up on when you do.
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I think Discovery was the franchise killer. Picard left a lot to be desired, but the strong dash of nostalgia made it O.K.
But the constant whining, pointless action and lack of real content in Discovery is just unbearable. Stopped watching it.
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Like how ALL sailors on an Aircraft Carrier are jet pilots, even the Cook (well, cooks are always ex-special forces according to one documentary I watched starring Stephen Segal.)
Nope, not ALL the crew on an "engineering specialist" ship know how to FIX it. Even in the show, the Engineering crew aboard the Cerritos are heads and shoulders above the rest of the crew when doing "engineering things" (Just look at Rutherford.) Of course the medical staff are also expert Engineers too, right because they serve on that ship? You are REALLY grasping at straws.
Honestly I only think they put that scene in the show to get the sight gag at the end where Boimler is entangled in the cabling after reconfiguring what the hell he was reconfiguring just from panels accessible from the bridge.
Edit: Boimler didn't schedule any "Buffer Time" because he was a rigid "rule follower", and not because he was exceptionally talented.
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Or space hippies, or Spock getting his brain stolen, or ....
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Great work is famously produced by people who don't read, watch, or otherwise consume media that might influence them. Imagine how awful Bioshock would have been, for example, if they'd wasted time researching art deco design or Objectivism.
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I actually like a lot of season 3. but there's certainly some giant stinkers in there.
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This doesn't fit the definition of a crossover, but probably the best episode ever in which the world of one television series crashes into the world of another series didn't involve science fiction, but a couple of sitcoms, one of which had ended years before the episode. I'm talking about the final episode of Newhart. Bob Newhart played the owner, Dick Loudon, of an historic hotel in a small town in Vermont. In the final scene of the final episode of that series, Bob Newhart, now as the character Bob Hartley, Chicago psychologist from the sitcom, Bob Newhart, wakes up in bed next to his wife Emily. He tells her he just had the worst nightmare of his life in which he had spent years as owner of an inn in a strange small town in Vermont.
This final episode happened shortly after the infamous Dallas episode in which the previous season was written off as being a dream. The ending was kept a secret until the day it was filmed. Newhart was filmed before a live audience, which went wild when they saw the set from the previous sitcom.
I have never been more surprised by nor laughed harder than when I saw that final ending.
Perhaps I should have spoilered this, but who in Ars is going to watch a couple of old sitcoms from forty years ago?
This final episode happened shortly after the infamous Dallas episode in which the previous season was written off as being a dream. The ending was kept a secret until the day it was filmed. Newhart was filmed before a live audience, which went wild when they saw the set from the previous sitcom.
I have never been more surprised by nor laughed harder than when I saw that final ending.
Perhaps I should have spoilered this, but who in Ars is going to watch a couple of old sitcoms from forty years ago?
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Am happy got my free P+ 6 month trial. Love lower decks and strange worlds both boldly go. Alas Picard S2 S1 was a complete rehash of NG like a boring class reunion. So not going to watch rest of Picard. Funny Tmobile in the same text said my $4.99 free trial was over then next text said would be billed $5.99 for my $4.99 free trial. Is still worth it. I just read news during the 2 min commercial breaks. A sidebar going to drop Apple TV+ free trial. Was skeptical to begin with stupid sounding show Severance. What about those that work from home? How about those of us oncall that get paged at home? So when Foundation killed off Hari Seldon pissed me off so stupid killing of a primary character in the story. Didn’t watch anymore and certainly not waiting for S2. I think an AI could have written a better screen adaptation. Maybe Hollywood screen writers need some AI competition.
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Well, Quark was quite the capitalist, and Armin Shimerman provided the voice of Andrew Ryan. All part of The Great Chain.
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Armin Shimerman is also a big fan of Ayn Rand and was involved in making the Atlas Shrugged movie.
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That's just what happens sometimes. Poe's not a suggestion.
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Boimler is at the bottom of the chain of command of an engineering specialist ship (Red uniform is Command Division). It stands to reason he WILL have some engineering expertise otherwise he wouldn't be assigned to an engineering ship in the first place as a place to rank up. And he took an elective in Material Synthesis at the Academy... which already hints at some engineering background.Like how ALL sailors on an Aircraft Carrier are jet pilots, even the Cook (well, cooks are always ex-special forces according to one documentary I watched starring Stephen Segal.)
Nope, not ALL the crew on an "engineering specialist" ship know how to FIX it. Even in the show, the Engineering crew aboard the Cerritos are heads and shoulders above the rest of the crew when doing "engineering things" (Just look at Rutherford.) Of course the medical staff are also expert Engineers too, right because they serve on that ship? You are REALLY grasping at straws.
To go to your example, only an aviator can rank up to command an aircraft carrier. A regular sailor would not be aspiring to carrier command. A COOK would not be aspiring to command a carrier. So since Boimler is aspiring to a carrier command, he would have chosen to be an aviator and not a regular sailor. So you're mixing up general sailors vs carrier command track personnel in your analogy.
Have you even watched the relevant episode (LD Season 1 Episode 3)? So why, when buffer time was prohibited, was he shown to be functioning normally and even completed his duties ahead of schedule and was requesting more (just before purging the calibration matrix.. oooh I love purging I purge you I purge you I purge purge purge purge purge purge purge purge) when nearly everyone else was dropping dead from exhaustion? (I think only he, Mariner and Ransom were shown without panda eyes)
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He was in the movie, definitely, but a lot of actors play in horrible movies for various reasons. If nothing else, the pay can be good.
The only vaguely relevant thing I could turn up googling "Armin Shimerman ayn rand" was a claim from an Objectivist: "A minor note, Dr. Potter of the State Science Institute was played by Armin Shimerman who played Quark on Deep Space Nine. The Ferengi are consumate traders. At a StarTrek convention, I asked Shimerman if he knew the works of Ayn Rand. He said that he read The Fountainhead long ago, and was going to read revisit that and other works in order to bring depth to Quark's character. It was nice to see an old fan of Ayn Rand get to participate in this work of art. " ( http://rebirthofreason.com/Spirit/Movies/187.shtml ) THAT guy may have been convinced that Shimerman was a fan--but a lot of people read Ayn Rand as part of General Cultural Literacy. Similarly, it'd be good background reading to try to get into the head of a character who manages to self-justify selfish behavior.
Note that on the show, Quark's old-school Ferengi fundamentalism was roundly disparaged by the Federation, the Bajorans, his own family, AND the outgoing Grand Nagus. Shimerman wasn't playing a lantern-jawed hero of self-determination; he was playing a reactionary who got stomped flat by the changing times. And then came back twenty years later and played him again, for more mockery and stomping.
Okay, granted, Objectivists are skilled at the art of self-own, so it ain't proof. But looking at his Wikipedia page and the undistinguished roles he had, I think it's far more likely that after 1999, he had to take what work he could get.
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Am i the only person who likes all the new trek shows. There is certainly a lot of rubbish on TV worse than these Trek shows that's for sure. They are all very different and that is why I like them all. If they were all the same as TOS, it would be a bit boring IMO. My main gripe with SNW is the actor who plays James Kirk. I just don't feel the same link that I do for Spock, Uhura and other characters that are younger versions of their TOS characters.
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For some reason I'd never made the connection that he voiced Andrew Ryan until I saw him on the Shuttlepod Show recently (where he talked about it).
Armin Shimerman is great in whatever he does though, obviously.
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Boimler is also the kind of person that would have memorised a constitution class ships design. Just in case he ever got caught in a time travel accident.
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WonkoTheSaneUK
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For those of us for whom this trailer is region-locked, it can be seen on LD's IMDb page.
Personally, I think dropping the crossover episode at the weekend was done to minimise online spoilers after it was premiered at SDCC.
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If you like those shows you’ll love Lower Decks. You’ll probably like Strange New Worlds too, unless you’re an overly-serious TOS purist.
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I might have to give SNW a try. I always thought TOS was kind of cheesy and didn't really get into Star Trek until TNG came out.
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I love/hate Lower Decks. It's fun and funny but I wish it wasn't attached to the Star Trek brand. "I'm a total piece of shit but it's ok because I'm funny and sassy" is an awful trope to put into Trek.
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Mungus the Unhyphenated
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He's in full "Bold Boimler!" mode... (Cue Boimler's silly fist pump...)
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