[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=24978943#p24978943:1n3nrw19 said:lotech[/url]":1n3nrw19]Its a more than a bit embarrassing to then have pull a substantial part of the marketing plan.
The promo code also works with existing Netflix customers.[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=24978927#p24978927:351g7qjj said:kray28[/url]":351g7qjj]Well, it was only worth it for folks who didn't already have Netflix.
At $35, it's so cheap that I don't think it makes a difference. I'll grab one when they are in stock again.
First priority for me is the new Nexus 7 though.
Why is it embarrassing? They clearly got what they wanted: PR and the product into a significant number of user's hands. That's all it was supposed to do...[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=24978943#p24978943:2kyvgz1s said:lotech[/url]":2kyvgz1s]Sometimes I really wonder about Google and how they deal with planning and execution physical products. It would have taken time to negotiate that deal with Netflix but yet no one took into account demand - even worse they couldn't even handle 24hrs of demand. Its a more than a bit embarrassing to then have pull a substantial part of the marketing plan.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=24979079#p24979079:3srkdzb9 said:daneren2005[/url]
Why is it embarrassing? They clearly got what they wanted: PR and the product into a significant number of user's hands. That's all it was supposed to do...
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=24979159#p24979159:3oeucgdf said:Ars of Ares[/url]":3oeucgdf]I'm reading reports that HDMI 1.4 will power the device. Ars Technica, do you have one of these things to test this out?
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=24979083#p24979083:3v617rpa said:sanchezl[/url]":3v617rpa]...but its ability to stream video while letting users continue about their business on the device feeding the video to the Chromecast seems pretty nifty.
Your device does not feed the Chromecast. All your device does is tell Chromecast what to stream from the internet. Makes you wonder what's going on when you stream a chrome browser session.
That was my reaction as well. I didn't even know the store link had started working, it was still inactive yesterday when I checked. Oh well, I didn't really need one.[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=24979255#p24979255:2pbvu29w said:MisterAlex[/url]":2pbvu29w]I just informed one of my friends that of he hadn't already ordered a Chromecast, they had run out of Netflix promos. His response was "Oh, well. Not interested anymore. Thanks."
So no, I don't think the "[Google] got what they wanted d from [the promo]" line really holds water.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=24979293#p24979293:aunvmvio said:Ostracus[/url]":aunvmvio]So how does this compare to those Android on a Stick devices, some as low as the Google Device price-point?
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=24979297#p24979297:12oedgry said:AnniesBoobs[/url]":12oedgry][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=24979083#p24979083:12oedgry said:sanchezl[/url]":12oedgry]...but its ability to stream video while letting users continue about their business on the device feeding the video to the Chromecast seems pretty nifty.
Your device does not feed the Chromecast. All your device does is tell Chromecast what to stream from the internet. Makes you wonder what's going on when you stream a chrome browser session.
Not sure that's entirely accurate. In this hands-on, they're streaming a local MKV file through a Chrome window to the Chromecast, so there is some feeding going on between your device and this stick.
Edit: Forgot to add link to the hands-on:
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2013/07/ ... hromecast/
Pretty sure they've already released the APIs/SDK...[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=24979427#p24979427:10bm3zp0 said:bobbie424242[/url]":10bm3zp0]It is amusing to see the Internet, tech press and users go gaga over Chromecast and having wild expectations, while from the POV of developers it is a total disappointment:
- closed source tech
- requires Google's written approval to publish any apps incorporating Googlecast functionality whether on Android, iOS or in Chrome
- requires a sold out USB dongle only available in the US for developement, and requires registration with Google (like they could not have allowed developement using desktop Chrome instead!)
- limited codec support (forget MKV, unless remuxing/transcoding to MP4)
The biggest unknown is: what apps will Google approve and what apps it will not.
For now, we don't know, since only the big launch apps (Netflix, Google Music, ...) are approved.
In other terms, whether XBMC, Plex and friends will be allowed to use it to send content is a large unknown at this point.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=24979449#p24979449:5l4hboln said:Midnitte[/url]":5l4hboln]
Pretty sure they've already released the APIs/SDK...
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=24979381#p24979381:1c01psmu said:JPan[/url]":1c01psmu]Ever since I have seen that it CAN'T duplicate your tablet/computer screen its pretty much dead to me. This is borderline useless and Airplay is much better. Now if Apple would stop trying to box people into their ecosystem. If there was Android Airplay support I would buy an AppleTV in a second.
Face it Apple most households will have mixed electronics, if you try to restrict your stuff to Apple only you will loose out in the end.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=24979171#p24979171:21mtvv5x said:notoriousKTR[/url]":21mtvv5x][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=24979159#p24979159:21mtvv5x said:Ars of Ares[/url]":21mtvv5x]I'm reading reports that HDMI 1.4 will power the device. Ars Technica, do you have one of these things to test this out?
Nothing of v1.4 HDMI specifications mentions power. So the reports you're reading are wrong.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=24979367#p24979367:1d3hc0j1 said:rex86[/url]":1d3hc0j1][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=24979297#p24979297:1d3hc0j1 said:AnniesBoobs[/url]":1d3hc0j1][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=24979083#p24979083:1d3hc0j1 said:sanchezl[/url]":1d3hc0j1]...but its ability to stream video while letting users continue about their business on the device feeding the video to the Chromecast seems pretty nifty.
Your device does not feed the Chromecast. All your device does is tell Chromecast what to stream from the internet. Makes you wonder what's going on when you stream a chrome browser session.
Not sure that's entirely accurate. In this hands-on, they're streaming a local MKV file through a Chrome window to the Chromecast, so there is some feeding going on between your device and this stick.
Edit: Forgot to add link to the hands-on:
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2013/07/ ... hromecast/
This is very interesting. Apparently, you can stream audio and video from your laptop by opening the files in your browser. It's not as effective as having dedicated app, e.g., youtube, but it still works. I sense some problems for Google from the TV companies.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=24978963#p24978963:2q47i019 said:logic_88[/url]":2q47i019][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=24978943#p24978943:2q47i019 said:lotech[/url]":2q47i019]Its a more than a bit embarrassing to then have pull a substantial part of the marketing plan.
Actually, it seems to have worked exactly as intended. There was a huge deluge of PR and sent demand sky high so the promotion is no longer needed. Why spend marketing dollars when you don't have to?
The explanation I found was that the browser tab mirroring works via WebRTC. which, to answer a question above, means Firefox support should be quite doable.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=24979483#p24979483:2pju3se5 said:baloroth[/url]":2pju3se5][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=24979171#p24979171:2pju3se5 said:notoriousKTR[/url]":2pju3se5][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=24979159#p24979159:2pju3se5 said:Ars of Ares[/url]":2pju3se5]I'm reading reports that HDMI 1.4 will power the device. Ars Technica, do you have one of these things to test this out?
Nothing of v1.4 HDMI specifications mentions power. So the reports you're reading are wrong.
That's not strictly true, HDMI does have a 5V power line. It's only supposed to be for EDID reading (according to the HDMI resource page), but at least one user account on Amazon claims that the Chromecast can power itself off the HDMI power line. It'd be unreliable since the spec doesn't require the HDMI line to provide enough current to power an active device like the Chromecast, but technically possible, as most of them do.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=24979529#p24979529:35lyba80 said:bobbie424242[/url]":35lyba80]The explanation I found was that the browser tab mirroring works via WebRTC. which, to answer a question above, means Firefox support should be quite doable.
If it doesn't use encryption.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=24979483#p24979483:wg2auaay said:baloroth[/url]":wg2auaay][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=24979171#p24979171:wg2auaay said:notoriousKTR[/url]":wg2auaay][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=24979159#p24979159:wg2auaay said:Ars of Ares[/url]":wg2auaay]I'm reading reports that HDMI 1.4 will power the device. Ars Technica, do you have one of these things to test this out?
Nothing of v1.4 HDMI specifications mentions power. So the reports you're reading are wrong.
That's not strictly true, HDMI does have a 5V power line. It's only supposed to be for EDID reading (according to the HDMI resource page), but at least one user account on Amazon claims that the Chromecast can power itself off the HDMI power line. It'd be unreliable since the spec doesn't require the HDMI line to provide enough current to power an active device like the Chromecast, but technically possible, as most of them do.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=24979473#p24979473:1auauao8 said:ws3[/url]":1auauao8][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=24979381#p24979381:1auauao8 said:JPan[/url]":1auauao8]Ever since I have seen that it CAN'T duplicate your tablet/computer screen its pretty much dead to me. This is borderline useless and Airplay is much better. Now if Apple would stop trying to box people into their ecosystem. If there was Android Airplay support I would buy an AppleTV in a second.
Face it Apple most households will have mixed electronics, if you try to restrict your stuff to Apple only you will loose out in the end.
Airplay is used to sell Apple hardware, not vice-versa.
From Apple's point of view, if you aren't willing to buy all the pieces from Apple to do Airplay, then you are not supposed to have Airplay.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=24979381#p24979381:2l53wnl7 said:JPan[/url]":2l53wnl7]Ever since I have seen that it CAN'T duplicate your tablet/computer screen its pretty much dead to me. This is borderline useless and Airplay is much better. Now if Apple would stop trying to box people into their ecosystem. If there was Android Airplay support I would buy an AppleTV in a second.
Face it Apple most households will have mixed electronics, if you try to restrict your stuff to Apple only you will loose out in the end.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=24979567#p24979567:34e9131j said:groghunter[/url]":34e9131j][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=24979529#p24979529:34e9131j said:bobbie424242[/url]":34e9131j]The explanation I found was that the browser tab mirroring works via WebRTC. which, to answer a question above, means Firefox support should be quite doable.
If it doesn't use encryption.
Quite possible, I don't know jack about WebRTC, except that it's standardized, which gave me hope for Firefox support.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=24979661#p24979661:20h4ghet said:kgersen[/url]":20h4ghet][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=24979381#p24979381:20h4ghet said:JPan[/url]":20h4ghet]Ever since I have seen that it CAN'T duplicate your tablet/computer screen its pretty much dead to me. This is borderline useless and Airplay is much better. Now if Apple would stop trying to box people into their ecosystem. If there was Android Airplay support I would buy an AppleTV in a second.
Face it Apple most households will have mixed electronics, if you try to restrict your stuff to Apple only you will loose out in the end.
Dead to you not everyone else.
Why is full desktop/tablet mirroring so important when most of our contents are coming from the Web ? Because AirPlay does it so everyone else should do it too ? I don't get the reason.
Desktop/tablet interfaces are made to be displayed on their respective screen size not a big screen. What matters is the content not the interface. if the content is only local you can still 'cast' it on the TV using a Chrome tab. This doesn't work yet from a tablet/phone, it's only on Desktop (Windows/Mac/Linux) but I'm sure new apps will come soon that can do that. Also Chrome on Android/iOS will catch up and have it probably.
Meanwhile you can install the Google Cast extension to Desktop Chrome (https://chrome.google.com/webstore/deta ... cfkmllpafd) and send stuff to your ChromeCast. You can even cast a tab running Chrome Remote Desktop of the same computer and bam :there you go , here is your full desktop mirroring. happy now ?
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=24979693#p24979693:1s5jkw7c said:JPan[/url]":1s5jkw7c][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=24979661#p24979661:1s5jkw7c said:kgersen[/url]":1s5jkw7c][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=24979381#p24979381:1s5jkw7c said:JPan[/url]":1s5jkw7c]Ever since I have seen that it CAN'T duplicate your tablet/computer screen its pretty much dead to me. This is borderline useless and Airplay is much better. Now if Apple would stop trying to box people into their ecosystem. If there was Android Airplay support I would buy an AppleTV in a second.
Face it Apple most households will have mixed electronics, if you try to restrict your stuff to Apple only you will loose out in the end.
Dead to you not everyone else.
Why is full desktop/tablet mirroring so important when most of our contents are coming from the Web ? Because AirPlay does it so everyone else should do it too ? I don't get the reason.
Desktop/tablet interfaces are made to be displayed on their respective screen size not a big screen. What matters is the content not the interface. if the content is only local you can still 'cast' it on the TV using a Chrome tab. This doesn't work yet from a tablet/phone, it's only on Desktop (Windows/Mac/Linux) but I'm sure new apps will come soon that can do that. Also Chrome on Android/iOS will catch up and have it probably.
Meanwhile you can install the Google Cast extension to Desktop Chrome (https://chrome.google.com/webstore/deta ... cfkmllpafd) and send stuff to your ChromeCast. You can even cast a tab running Chrome Remote Desktop of the same computer and bam :there you go , here is your full desktop mirroring. happy now ?
Yes dead to me not everybody else. But the limits are huge. How do I get my video collection, my iTunes library, my divx or mkv files I store on my tablet or PC over to the TV? Perhaps media that can only be played by something like VLC? No fucking chance. It first needs to be somewhere in the web. Not even the Chrometab thing fixes that. You only can broadcast stuff that is in the internet as far as I understood it. Or lets talk about my picture library that I do not have in the web but in iPhoto?. Or my iTunes music library again not uploaded.
This thing is only useful for people who have moved 95% of their media into the net and stream mostly. And the question is if you want that ( restrictions might be download limits of your ISP, bad internet connections or simply the convenience of having 1000 hours of DVD quality video on a 2.5" external harddrive. Never really understood the appeal of online storage for that. My offline videos do not buffer, fast forward instantly and load in a split second.
I know that this is not the target audience of Google. Google envisions customers who have stored EVERYTHING online on their servers. And this is fine. But I am not one of these customers.You might be. But I think the HUGE limitations have not been mentioned clearly enough. Fair?
No Sir. What he is trying to tell you is that you can strem *local* stored files.. via the Chromecast extension. So stuff that is not on a remote server, but on your local PC.. you can stream that through Chrome the browser. That feature of Chromecast, is what currently still only works on desktop and is in beta and still needs to come to mobile.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=24979723#p24979723:2ogn81pe said:JPan[/url]":2ogn81pe]No Sir. What he is trying to tell you is that you can strem *local* stored files.. via the Chromecast extension. So stuff that is not on a remote server, but on your local PC.. you can stream that through Chrome the browser. That feature of Chromecast, is what currently still only works on desktop and is in beta and still needs to come to mobile.
Then as far as I see it he is wrong.
http://www.theverge.com/2013/7/25/45569 ... -tv-failed
"Unfortunately, Chrome tab projection isn’t really a useful workaround. WebRTC doesn't have the same benefits of low-latency and high-bandwidth that you get with something like AirPlay or even Miracast. In our brief testing, videos streamed over Google Cast had audio sync issues"
"Although, as Chandra says, "there's no restrictions on what can be done" with tab projection when it comes to content restrictions, streaming a Hulu video will not be an enjoyable experience. "
And even if it was fast you can still only project a Chrome browser tab. I fail to see how that helps me with showing an iPhoto library, a local iTunes Playlist or a movie playing in VLC. They do not run in browser tabs or do I completely misunderstand the feature.
In the end it does not look like that:
"Calling streaming local content an "open question," Chandra says "I'm not going to say we're not going to do it." For now, users will need to find a way to get their content into the cloud where either Chrome or an app can access it and stream it. "
So no it doesn't look like Chromecast fixes those problems now and it doesn't look like it will in the future. Its just a really limited device and the marketing doesn't make that clear.