Wearables are going mainstream—what worked, what didn't, and what's in between?
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[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30346687#p30346687:3bjjz3t6 said:biffbobfred[/url]":3bjjz3t6][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30345907#p30345907:3bjjz3t6 said:Coriolanus[/url]":3bjjz3t6]I was curious about getting the Fitbit Charge HR, but reports of either allergic reactions and/or contact dermatitis caused me to hold off. I had an adverse reaction to the Fitbit Force, so I'm sure I'll have a similar reaction again.
My skin had a reaction at first too. It's subsided now.
Alternate wrists. wash band often
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30346805#p30346805:19ulzkef said:biffbobfred[/url]":19ulzkef][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30346085#p30346085:19ulzkef said:RockDaMan[/url]":19ulzkef]It was the most talked about wearable of the year, but the Apple Watch didn't revolutionize the industry like many thought it would (at least not yet).
The benefit of the doubt that Apple gets is yuuuge.
edit: An observation, not a complaint. They've often earned it.
The apple watch is Meh on (estimated) 3.5 million units pushed last quarter. Estimates are no other smart watch sold more than 300,000 in the quarter. Estimates are that all Android Wear devices combined for a bit over 700,000 in 2014.
Apple is on a totally different grading scale. If it doesn't push at least $2 billion a year, it's miscellaneous. The fact that Apple's new watch pushed out an estimated more than 10 times the nearest competitor and is still not called a success is the flipside of the Apple expectations.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30346431#p30346431:3n2kl6s8 said:J117[/url]":3n2kl6s8]No mention of the Pebble Time, Steel, or Round? I seem to remember them getting decent reviews here.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30345973#p30345973:ooe8nayl said:JustQuestions[/url]"oe8nayl]I still don't understand the purpose of fitness bands, and this is coming from a person who gets 7 - 8 hours of exercise a week, divided approximately equally between cardio and resistance training.
The first time I thought of getting a fitness band was when I was doing a 2-month stint of HIIT, and thought it would be convenient to have a continuous heart rate monitor to know if I was hitting my BPM marks or not.
...Until I did some research and found out that they don't accurately measure your heart rate on a continuous basis. For accuracy you need the chest style continuous heart rate monitor, and I just can't be fucked with that.
What else do they even do? Measure the distance of your run? I can use Google Maps for that and figure it out in a second.
I just don't understand the purpose of the fitness bands. Honestly, I see them as a sort of badge that out-of-shape people wear to show that they are making an effort to do better by themselves...
Seriously, all I seem to need is a traditional watch for all my needs.
If somebody could enlighten me as to what practical usefulness you get out of these bands that you couldn't get from a traditional watch, it would be greatly appreciated. Even explaining why you would need a continuous heart rate monitor unless you have some sort of health problem, would be great.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30346355#p30346355:2hw1ngxi said:LeopardSeal[/url]":2hw1ngxi]Can we dispense with the hyperbole. I wear my Band v1 every day. It is not "incredibly uncomfortable". The only time I'm aware of it is when intentionally look at it.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30346847#p30346847:28w6wsp1 said:cerberusTI[/url]":28w6wsp1]That is a fair scale though, Apple could sell a lump of coal for $100 and still sell 3 million units in a quarter.
If the product was revolutionary their marketing department would have sold one to a good chunk of the planet by now, those sales numbers are pretty much a flop given their brand recognition.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30347183#p30347183:zfrxxfg7 said:vogelabv[/url]":zfrxxfg7][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30346431#p30346431:zfrxxfg7 said:J117[/url]":zfrxxfg7]No mention of the Pebble Time, Steel, or Round? I seem to remember them getting decent reviews here.
They have the best battery life, and some prefer their display, and they support multiple phone OSes. This article is embarrassing to skip them entirely.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30346431#p30346431:2tca0i5h said:J117[/url]":2tca0i5h]No mention of the Pebble Time, Steel, or Round? I seem to remember them getting decent reviews here.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30345973#p30345973:d7mfbwgu said:JustQuestions[/url]":d7mfbwgu]
If somebody could enlighten me as to what practical usefulness you get out of these bands that you couldn't get from a traditional watch, it would be greatly appreciated. Even explaining why you would need a continuous heart rate monitor unless you have some sort of health problem, would be great.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30347409#p30347409:12rztq6x said:melgross[/url]":12rztq6x][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30346847#p30346847:12rztq6x said:cerberusTI[/url]":12rztq6x]That is a fair scale though, Apple could sell a lump of coal for $100 and still sell 3 million units in a quarter.
If the product was revolutionary their marketing department would have sold one to a good chunk of the planet by now, those sales numbers are pretty much a flop given their brand recognition.
Apple Watch estimates for the year, which isn't finished for the watch yet, until the end of the next quarter, has been anywhere from a skeptical 5 million to an over enthusiastic 40 million. As always, the truth is somewhere in between.
But as with Samsung smartphone and tablets sales, all the numbers need to be taken as just guesses. If a company doesn't give real sales numbers, there is no real way to know what they are. But taking an average, we get between 15 and 20 million for the year. If true, that is a whopping number.
No matter how one looks at it, the smartwatch category was going nowhere until the rumors about Apple getting involved came out, and then Samsung, and a couple of others, rushed theirs out before Apple's appeared.
In the long run, we'll likely see the same bifurcation that we do in the smartphone industry, with Apple capturing the high end, with Android owning most all of the rest, except that Samsung's Tizen can give Android Wear a run for the money. And as with smartwatches, we'll see a small number of companies making very expensive medium quality models based on Android, such as the Vertu.
But I don't think that any of these manufacturers, including Google as the OS maker, would have been interested in this category if Apple wasn't there.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30346729#p30346729:ani1u315 said:JustQuestions[/url]":ani1u315][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30346353#p30346353:ani1u315 said:Niceguy4186[/url]":ani1u315][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30345973#p30345973:ani1u315 said:JustQuestions[/url]":ani1u315]I still don't understand the purpose of fitness bands, and this is coming from a person who gets 7 - 8 hours of exercise a week, divided approximately equally between cardio and resistance training.
The first time I thought of getting a fitness band was when I was doing a 2-month stint of HIIT, and thought it would be convenient to have a continuous heart rate monitor to know if I was hitting my BPM marks or not.
...Until I did some research and found out that they don't accurately measure your heart rate on a continuous basis. For accuracy you need the chest style continuous heart rate monitor, and I just can't be fucked with that.
What else do they even do? Measure the distance of your run? I can use Google Maps for that and figure it out in a second.
I just don't understand the purpose of the fitness bands. Honestly, I see them as a sort of badge that out-of-shape people wear to show that they are making an effort to do better by themselves...
Seriously, all I seem to need is a traditional watch for all my needs.
If somebody could enlighten me as to what practical usefulness you get out of these bands that you couldn't get from a traditional watch, it would be greatly appreciated. Even explaining why you would need a continuous heart rate monitor unless you have some sort of health problem, would be great.
I am a fan of my fitbit charge. I have a very inactive job, and on a normal day I get 5,000-6,000 steps or less. It serves as a good reminder that I need to get up and move around more often, easy to set and track goals, easy to track data, and social. I was in a 10,000 step challenge with a few friends, and when you end your night at 9,100 steps, you find yourself forcing yourself to do that bit extra to get up to the 10K. If you are very fit and want precise data, this isn't for you, but for general motivation it is great.
Thanks for this, it makes some amount of sense.
The step challenge is probably a very positive change for many people. I just hope they realize that walking, no matter how much of it you do is, is no replacement for vigorous cardiovascular exercise.
The benefits of cardiovascular exercise are only achieved by vigorous activity, 10 minutes or more (ideally 20 minutes or more) of highly elevated heart rate from cycling, running, or whatever. It strengthens your heart and reduces your resting heart rate. Along with a multitude of other benefits. More efficient oxygen absorption. More efficient breathing in general. Better lung functioning. Improved circulatory system...
You cannot get these benefits from walking.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30345939#p30345939:1ix8qcsu said:guinnessduck[/url]":1ix8qcsu]I've been enjoying my Garmin Vivo Smart HR that I got as a present. Same price as the Fitbit HR (though you can find the Fitbit cheaper as the Garmin is an exclusive with Best Buy until January... grrr...), but it has a pretty decent display on it that lets me swipe through a lot of things, and receive phone notifications as well. Comparing it with my wife's Fitbit Charge HR they both seem to be pretty close on the quality of the optical heart rate sensor as well as the step tracking. Sure, for people who want/need really high accuracy it's hard to beat a chest strap, but for the everyday folk like us the optical sensor is just good enough.
It's also bulkier than the Charge HR, but on my wrist it feels comfortable and certainly no more bulky than an ordinary wrist watch. My only two real complaints are I wish it would hold more charge (lasts me about 5 days between charges), and that you could change the brightness of the backlight on the display.. it's fairly weak. But other than that I've been enjoying it for the last few weeks.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30348015#p30348015:2yocsz27 said:brutaltruth[/url]":2yocsz27]All current smartwatches are trash. They all have terrible battery life and everything they can do, a smartphone can do better. If you $150+ on these gimmick watches so you can read a notification on your wrist I laugh at you.
As far as the fitness bands? Well if they help motivate fat, lazy, undisciplined people, I think that's great. Be warned though... The accuracy of these 'fitness' bands is not 100%. That goes for both the heart rate monitoring and the step counting.
Also a fun fact for all the fatties out there. The only trick to losing weight is calories in, calories out. It's amazing how many people go on these crash diets, swear by Gluten-Free garbage, avoid meats, avoid fats, avoid fast food, etc. Not to mention these same people who spend thousands of dollars on treadmills and workout equipment, using them MAYBE twice.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30347849#p30347849:24a2wern said:theSeb[/url]":24a2wern][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30346729#p30346729:24a2wern said:JustQuestions[/url]":24a2wern][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30346353#p30346353:24a2wern said:Niceguy4186[/url]":24a2wern][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30345973#p30345973:24a2wern said:JustQuestions[/url]":24a2wern]I still don't understand the purpose of fitness bands, and this is coming from a person who gets 7 - 8 hours of exercise a week, divided approximately equally between cardio and resistance training.
The first time I thought of getting a fitness band was when I was doing a 2-month stint of HIIT, and thought it would be convenient to have a continuous heart rate monitor to know if I was hitting my BPM marks or not.
...Until I did some research and found out that they don't accurately measure your heart rate on a continuous basis. For accuracy you need the chest style continuous heart rate monitor, and I just can't be fucked with that.
What else do they even do? Measure the distance of your run? I can use Google Maps for that and figure it out in a second.
I just don't understand the purpose of the fitness bands. Honestly, I see them as a sort of badge that out-of-shape people wear to show that they are making an effort to do better by themselves...
Seriously, all I seem to need is a traditional watch for all my needs.
If somebody could enlighten me as to what practical usefulness you get out of these bands that you couldn't get from a traditional watch, it would be greatly appreciated. Even explaining why you would need a continuous heart rate monitor unless you have some sort of health problem, would be great.
I am a fan of my fitbit charge. I have a very inactive job, and on a normal day I get 5,000-6,000 steps or less. It serves as a good reminder that I need to get up and move around more often, easy to set and track goals, easy to track data, and social. I was in a 10,000 step challenge with a few friends, and when you end your night at 9,100 steps, you find yourself forcing yourself to do that bit extra to get up to the 10K. If you are very fit and want precise data, this isn't for you, but for general motivation it is great.
Thanks for this, it makes some amount of sense.
The step challenge is probably a very positive change for many people. I just hope they realize that walking, no matter how much of it you do is, is no replacement for vigorous cardiovascular exercise.
The benefits of cardiovascular exercise are only achieved by vigorous activity, 10 minutes or more (ideally 20 minutes or more) of highly elevated heart rate from cycling, running, or whatever. It strengthens your heart and reduces your resting heart rate. Along with a multitude of other benefits. More efficient oxygen absorption. More efficient breathing in general. Better lung functioning. Improved circulatory system...
You cannot get these benefits from walking.
Interesting. I just read a report a few weeks ago saying that walking every day is the best for weight loss.
You forgot to disclose that you have perfectly rectangular wrists though. Okay, dumb joke.[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30346355#p30346355:uwb7z4ee said:LeopardSeal[/url]":uwb7z4ee]Can we dispense with the hyperbole. I wear my Band v1 every day. It is not "incredibly uncomfortable". The only time I'm aware of it is when intentionally look at it.
Cannabinoid Glaucoma Medicine?[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30346221#p30346221:31hmx1sy said:rc26[/url]":31hmx1sy]monitor my son's CGM data
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30348089#p30348089:cv2t71dt said:cerberusTI[/url]":cv2t71dt][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30348015#p30348015:cv2t71dt said:brutaltruth[/url]":cv2t71dt]All current smartwatches are trash. They all have terrible battery life and everything they can do, a smartphone can do better. If you $150+ on these gimmick watches so you can read a notification on your wrist I laugh at you.
As far as the fitness bands? Well if they help motivate fat, lazy, undisciplined people, I think that's great. Be warned though... The accuracy of these 'fitness' bands is not 100%. That goes for both the heart rate monitoring and the step counting.
Also a fun fact for all the fatties out there. The only trick to losing weight is calories in, calories out. It's amazing how many people go on these crash diets, swear by Gluten-Free garbage, avoid meats, avoid fats, avoid fast food, etc. Not to mention these same people who spend thousands of dollars on treadmills and workout equipment, using them MAYBE twice.
While calories absorbed vs calories used is a good indicator as to if you will gain or lose weight, it is not the entire story.
Exercise has the benefit of increasing your resting calorie burn, so you can burn more and eat more if your activity level is high. It also tends to make you not want to eat crap if you are burning a ton of calories in a day.
Despite the large number of calories I tend to consume, fast food holds no appeal at all. It is pretty hard to run well after eating it, and my body tends to object more the harder I push myself (I run an under 18 minute 5k on a good day as a point of reference).
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30348461#p30348461:23sedn9c said:ProfessorGuy[/url]":23sedn9c]Cannabinoid Glaucoma Medicine?[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30346221#p30346221:23sedn9c said:rc26[/url]":23sedn9c]monitor my son's CGM data
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30347001#p30347001:1szb2hkj said:quietnine[/url]":1szb2hkj][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30346805#p30346805:1szb2hkj said:biffbobfred[/url]":1szb2hkj][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30346085#p30346085:1szb2hkj said:RockDaMan[/url]":1szb2hkj]It was the most talked about wearable of the year, but the Apple Watch didn't revolutionize the industry like many thought it would (at least not yet).
The benefit of the doubt that Apple gets is yuuuge.
edit: An observation, not a complaint. They've often earned it.
The apple watch is Meh on (estimated) 3.5 million units pushed last quarter. Estimates are no other smart watch sold more than 300,000 in the quarter. Estimates are that all Android Wear devices combined for a bit over 700,000 in 2014.
Apple is on a totally different grading scale. If it doesn't push at least $2 billion a year, it's miscellaneous. The fact that Apple's new watch pushed out an estimated more than 10 times the nearest competitor and is still not called a success is the flipside of the Apple expectations.
Source? CNet is saying Apple sold total 2.8mil watches since release (released in april, we are one month away from that being 3 quarters). http://www.cnet.com/news/apple-watch-sa ... on-report/
Last year 3.3mil fitness trackers were sold and fitbit made up 2/3rds of those (http://www.businessinsider.com/33-milli ... ear-2014-5). The trend is that YoY fitness tracker sales are more than doubling. Since then, Nike Fuelband has dropped out (no doubt influenced by Cook sitting on their board) and Apple has entered. Even if numbers stayed relatively static (it's probable they continued to have drastic YOY increases) we're still looking at Apple doing less than or equal in sales to fitbit. Anecdotal evidence of walking around the mall suggests that they're not remotely that close.
Unless by smart watch you are limiting the definition to "watches that run something that resembles a mobile app" and are comparing it strictly against Android-wear devices (why?), but even then, your numbers for Apple are a bit overzealous.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30346825#p30346825:fi2knhy3 said:annomander[/url]":fi2knhy3][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30346035#p30346035:fi2knhy3 said:sigmasirrus[/url]":fi2knhy3]I remember feeling the same way about the first iPad. I thought "Who would use that instead of a laptop? I can't hardly do anything..." Now I do most of my personal computing on an iPad. (For serious stuff, yes you do need a real computer, i.e. development work).
I think with the 2nd gen Apple Watch they might show us some better use cases.
(Plus it will probably be thinner and have better battery life anyway so, well, never buy 1st gen lol)
The 3rd Gen will be better then the 2nd. The 4th will be better then the 3rd.
When do you make the jump?
I prefer to live in the now! You might be run over by a bus tomorrow!
First rule of marketing: have a decent product to sell.[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30347611#p30347611:11f5syf8 said:cerberusTI[/url]":11f5syf8][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30347409#p30347409:11f5syf8 said:melgross[/url]":11f5syf8][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30346847#p30346847:11f5syf8 said:cerberusTI[/url]":11f5syf8]That is a fair scale though, Apple could sell a lump of coal for $100 and still sell 3 million units in a quarter.
If the product was revolutionary their marketing department would have sold one to a good chunk of the planet by now, those sales numbers are pretty much a flop given their brand recognition.
Apple Watch estimates for the year, which isn't finished for the watch yet, until the end of the next quarter, has been anywhere from a skeptical 5 million to an over enthusiastic 40 million. As always, the truth is somewhere in between.
But as with Samsung smartphone and tablets sales, all the numbers need to be taken as just guesses. If a company doesn't give real sales numbers, there is no real way to know what they are. But taking an average, we get between 15 and 20 million for the year. If true, that is a whopping number.
No matter how one looks at it, the smartwatch category was going nowhere until the rumors about Apple getting involved came out, and then Samsung, and a couple of others, rushed theirs out before Apple's appeared.
In the long run, we'll likely see the same bifurcation that we do in the smartphone industry, with Apple capturing the high end, with Android owning most all of the rest, except that Samsung's Tizen can give Android Wear a run for the money. And as with smartwatches, we'll see a small number of companies making very expensive medium quality models based on Android, such as the Vertu.
But I don't think that any of these manufacturers, including Google as the OS maker, would have been interested in this category if Apple wasn't there.
I do not have any idea what the actual numbers are, that post was mostly a joke about the power of Apple marketing and branding.
There are probably a few million people who would buy any Apple product, no matter what it is.