Space Command chief throws cold water on the question of UAPs in space

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nehinks

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Now that there are cameras and radars everywhere, the aliens have gotten a lot better at hiding.
Nobody suspects the ugly dog at the newsstand.
Clearly sasquatch and ET must be sharing tricks with each other. Somehow the videos are never in focus and usually a dot or small blotch.
 
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JoHBE

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Clearly sasquatch and ET must be sharing tricks with each other. Somehow the videos are never in focus and usually a dot or small blotch.
The lack of focus/clarity IS the phenomenon.

And it happens everywhere, where the observation/measurement/detection is (slightly) outside the operating parameters of the detection device. Hence the lack of convincing evidence: once the "objects" transition to a place where they fall WITHIN the operating parameters, they get... Identified. Identified as the boring everyday objects/phenomena they are.
 
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The phrase “bread and circuses” was coined by the Roman satirist Juvenal in the early 2nd century CE. But with attention spans being what they are nowadays, I guess it’s prudent to shorten to just “circuses”.
Hunger is a powerful motivator. People like the idea of justice, but not having it is much less important than not having food.
 
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Now that there are cameras and radars everywhere, the aliens have gotten a lot better at hiding.
Nobody suspects the ugly dog at the newsstand.
Speaking of hiding, why would a Space Force officer be wearing green and brown camouflage? That seems all too terrestrial.
 
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Fatesrider

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"I never saw anything"... meanwhile the DOD (aka DOW) has some fascinating data that conflicts with that statement...

https://www.airpac.navy.mil/Organization/USS-Nimitz-CVN-68/

https://www.explorescu.org/post/2004-uss-nimitz-strike-navy-group-incident-report

https://www.aaro.mil/

Colour me skeptical...
It's a different color than you think.

From an actually scientific point of view, including physics, biology, astronomy, chemistry, human nature and pretty much everything else ever discovered about the universe, extraterrestrial visitation via some kind of craft has never happened here on Earth.

Sure, we've have "biological material" land on Earth (AKA Oxygen, Hydrogen, Nitrogen and Carbon, to name the more important ones). That happens all the time, along with more exotic stuff. But nothing "living" and certainly never anything artificially made that WASN'T put up there by us in the last 80 years has ever landed here.

I mean, unless you count astronauts and live animals returning to Earth from near space as Extraterrestrials, that is. In my book, they aren't, of course.

That's not to say there's no life out there. But it's an enormous leap of literally universe-sized pill-swallowing to assume that intelligent life is out there NOW, and has visited earth at all, let alone in the last 100 years, which is largely when the whole UFO craze (and it is fucking crazy) began.

Given how hostile space is, and how fragile and temporary civilized life is there is a substantially HIGHER chance that we are alone in the universe at this particular moment in existence than there is that we share this space-time with another intelligent species, let alone one that can get from there to here.

Its "space-time" we're dealing with. And for aliens to have flown here, they had to exist in the same one we do AND FLY HERE, for any of the so-called UAP sightings to be of alien origin. And they don't and they didn't.

I love sci-fi, but alien life has to deal with reality, not fiction. And reality is so stacked against what you think it might be that it's firmly in the realm of (being kind) "imagination".
 
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CrazyLarry2500

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There is just no way in hell that Pam Bondi is from this planet. There has to be an answer in these files that gives some sort of clue as to where she is actually from.

bondi - Copy.png
 
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Clearly sasquatch and ET must be sharing tricks with each other. Somehow the videos are never in focus and usually a dot or small blotch.
Let's be real, it wouldn't be believed even if it was crystal clear 4K video. It would be called fake, doctored footage, AI generated, amateur theater production, or...whatever.

The truth is you basically assume a metaphysical position on the stuff—if you're a true believer you think the videos and pictures are real, and if you a priori believe that such things aren't possible, you think any possible video or picture is either faked or a mistake.

The true believers will likely not change their positions. The committed unbelievers and, presumably, most skeptics, won't change until, idk, NASA announces a meet and greet with newly contacted aliens at Cape Canaveral.

After all, the military produced some pretty odd, authenticated videos by people who are nearly as reliable as you are likely to get—people who get paid to operate those sensors for a living—and the result was acclamation by the true believers, and pretty much a shrug from people who believed UAPs were bullshit to begin with.

Virtually no one who had a position previously changed their position.
 
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10Nov1775

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"I never saw anything"... meanwhile the DOD (aka DOW) has some fascinating data that conflicts with that statement...

https://www.airpac.navy.mil/Organization/USS-Nimitz-CVN-68/

https://www.explorescu.org/post/2004-uss-nimitz-strike-navy-group-incident-report

https://www.aaro.mil/

Colour me skeptical...
He said he never, to his knowledge, saw or was aware of anything that he knew to be extraterrestrial/alien.

The Nimitz video(s) are indeed very odd, and it is hard to come up with creditable mundane explanations.

But they aren't proof of aliens or alien spaceships unless you were already predisposed to believe in that, or predisposed to impute strange sightings to exotic tech from other planets.

What they saw, and recorded, and reported, was a very fast, hard to catch, hard to track, apparent object of some kind—correlated with at least human sight and various sensors, suggesting (but not proving) that it wasn't likely to be artifactual or psychiatric.

And that's basically it. That's virtually all we know. You can't get aliens out of that unless you put them there yourself.
 
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The fact that humans often travel in little metal boxes makes it tempting to believe non-humans would use similar metal boxes to travel across THE ALMOST UNIMAGINABLE DISTANCES between the stars to get here and then do funny stuff.
Ya gotta have a car-sized brain to come up with such an idea.
My brain's quite a bit smaller so I'm unable to make such a mental leap ánd make myself believe it.
It's gotta be great to be that smart. Maybe.
 
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The fact that humans often travel in little metal boxes makes it tempting to believe non-humans would use similar metal boxes to travel across THE ALMOST UNIMAGINABLE DISTANCES between the stars to get here and then do funny stuff.
Ya gotta have a car-sized brain to come up with such an idea.
My brain's quite a bit smaller so I'm unable to make such a mental leap ánd make myself believe it.
It's gotta be great to be that smart. Maybe.
Arthur C. Clarke once stated it pretty well. He used an example of a star similar to the Sun, and less than 100 light years away and travel at 99.9% the speed of light. If the other system had been England, and Earth started a war for independence in 1776, word of the uprising would have been delivered to Queen Victoria by Disraeli. Whatever the alien "British" decided to do about it would have arrived during Eisenhower's second term.

Edit: grammar
 
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JohnW1234

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So, just circuses?
An overlooked part of the book 1984 is that, when they list out the ways a government can fail, they mention governing so inefficiently that the underclass revolts. Earlier in the book, the main character watches a "prole" and envies her happiness - she's been given songs to sing and is not going hungry. The underclasses are both fed and entertained (the bread and circuses both).

When you compare our current administration to that particular oppressive regime, they seem to have forgotten that part of the equation. I know most of the working class isn't literally going hungry, but if an administration was competent and really wanted to stay in power, I think we'd have less expensive healthcare and housing.

Whether that's lack of motive or lack of competence is left as an exercise to the reader.
 
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After all, the military produced some pretty odd, authenticated videos by people who are nearly as reliable as you are likely to get—people who get paid to operate those sensors for a living—and the result was acclamation by the true believers, and pretty much a shrug from people who believed UAPs were bullshit to begin with.

Virtually no one who had a position previously changed their position.
I presume you're talking about the "go fast" and such videos. The ones with meta-data embedded right in the video with information about velocity, direction, etc. which proved the "people who are nearly as reliable as you are likely to get" are still prone to common illusions, just like the rest of us. The videos that were systematically debunked by NASA.
 
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The fact that humans often travel in little metal boxes makes it tempting to believe non-humans would use similar metal boxes to travel across THE ALMOST UNIMAGINABLE DISTANCES between the stars to get here and then do funny stuff.
Ya gotta have a car-sized brain to come up with such an idea.
My brain's quite a bit smaller so I'm unable to make such a mental leap ánd make myself believe it.
It's gotta be great to be that smart. Maybe.
Admit it: if you yourself had "flying saucer" technology and could visit another planet; you would only land at night, seek out psychologically unstable persons in isolated settings, and anally probe them.
 
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