Softbank’s ARM cuts ties with Huawei, leaving future chip production in doubt

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Personally this all feels like a bit of a witch-hunt, I don't doubt that the west has serious issues to resolve with China in the areas of intellectual property etc. but I would perhaps be more supportive if any actual evidence was given rather than just hearsay.
The problem is Hearsay is all that is available.

Also I am willing to bet all of those things magically become less of an issue if China captiulates to all of Trumps trade demands.

The thing is China, while techincally weaker has all the cards.

All China has to do is stop allowing exports for 7 days. and wall street will collapse. All this back and forth with tariffs well that is just cost of doing business. actually stop that business for a minute and Trump loses a lot of his support. Trump will then dig his heels in.

The thing is 7 days would barely be noticed by the american citizen but would make wall street very nervous.
 
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peragrin

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Personally this all feels like a bit of a witch-hunt, I don't doubt that the west has serious issues to resolve with China in the areas of intellectual property etc. but I would perhaps be more supportive if any actual evidence was given rather than just hearsay.
The problem is Hearsay is all that is available.

Also I am willing to bet all of those things magically become less of an issue if China captiulates to all of Trumps trade demands.

The thing is China, while techincally weaker has all the cards.

All China has to do is stop allowing exports for 7 days. and wall street will collapse. All this back and forth with tariffs well that is just cost of doing business. actually stop that business for a minute and Trump loses a lot of his support. Trump will then dig his heels in.

The thing is 7 days would barely be noticed by the american citizen but would make wall street very nervous.

Oh please ... "the West" will survive just fine without Chinese Exports in Walmart. But without Chinese exports into the world, China will collapse into an economic black hole with serious riots and an end to the dictatorship.

Also please stop this non-sense one dimensional thinking that somebody holds "all the cards". China, the US, Japan and EU each hold a lot of cards. The only question is which cards can be played and the total weight of the various sides. China versus the rest will lose badly.
And that is why you are wrong. China, controls every single electronic device, most building construction, most automobile construction, Every single manufacturer buys something that comes from China, or buys a product which is made from parts in china.

it isn't just cheap junk, but your BMW, toyota, or Ford has all sorts of products and materials that came from China to start with. Even an all wood product you build your self with screws and wood bought from home depot? The screws came from china. the boxes the screws came in where recycled in china, and then just printed and packed in the USA. The wood you use came from Canada(most likely), The tools you used to build it, all built in china.

Capitalism exported itself out to china 30 years ago. if you understood just how deeply it is done you would be depressed.

The end is that does the EU have more to gain working with China againist the USA, ornot. and if china stops exporting to the usa then the EU gets massive boost.
 
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