Rocket Report: SpaceX lands in the Bahamas; ULA tests modified booster

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Haven't seen it in the Rocket Reports, but New Glenn seems to be shedding bits:

UPDATE - there are now 71 objects identified in the Vimpel catalog, with 212 of these having been tracked > 15 days after launch (31 Jan 25 or later)

The area/mass (CrAM) of these objects varies widely, inferring no single composition type

View: https://x.com/shell_jim/status/1891842756500222212
 
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I’m surprised that this news, posted yesterday by @stefan_lec in last week’s Rocket Report thread, didn’t get coverage. I suppose it must have missed the cutoff?

Jim Free is leaving NASA, retiring this Saturday. Three other senior officials at Marshall Flight Center are leaving too.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ke...e-uncertainty-over-us-moon-program-2025-02-19

Maybe this is an indicator that SLS really is getting the axe?
Jim Free retiring at this point certainly doesn’t seem like a previously-planned move. I can’t believe that it’s unrelated to the Trump regime coming in, and changes to NASA and especially the Artemis programme. I think we should absolutely be expecting more news on this front pretty soon.
 
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Loved that bit from your post:

Not doing a deorbit burn and letting the debris land randomly (in this case, on a Polish farm) is fine and doesn't require an investigation.

The current rules remind me of this Sam & Max Hit The Road quote:

Sam: Max, where should I put this [bomb] so it doesn't hurt anyone we know or care about?

Max: Out the window, Sam. There's nothing but strangers out there.
 
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"As our mission sharpens to focus on missile defense, we reflected on what it means for our identity," wrote Dan Piemont, CEO of the newly-renamed company. "I'm proud to share that our company is now Long Wall, inspired by the Long Walls of Athens." ABL announced its pivot from satellite launch services to missile defense in November

If you are doing missile defense with interceptors, shouldn't your company be named High Wall?
 
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None of these startups have made an orbital launch attempt, but several of them, like Germany's Isar Aerospace and Rocket Factory Augsburg, have shown tangible progress.
Apropos the recent news of Isar actually completing a first stage integrated static fire, I decided to refresh my memory.

I found this (from Wikipedia) rather entertaining:
In December 2021, the first launch of Spectrum was anticipated to take place some time in 2022.[2] By March 2023, Isar Aerospace was reportedly aiming for the first flight was set to occur some time during the second half of 2023.[17][18] However, by November 2023, this milestone had been postponed again into 2024.[3]
:sneaky:

Those guys could give Elon Time a serious run for its money...
 
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This was an important milestone in the investigation into why one of the strap-on boosters on ULA's second Vulcan rocket broke free shortly after liftoff in October.

Maybe I'm misremembering, but the booster didn't broke free, the nozzle of the booster broke free, but the booster remained attached to Vulcan.

The latter is a more complex problem to diagnose and solve, than the booster breaking free.
 
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I can't help that think Orbex is being a little hopeful expecting ESA to invest in a non-EU company. But I suppose stranger things have happened.

{edit} holy crap, have I really had an account here for a quarter century already? Cripes!

ESA isn't EU. The UK is still a member of ESA.
 
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So…. it’s exploded?

Seems like a lot of upper stages having been having issues with that lately.
Ironically, it seems to have exploded after completing passivation.

To be fair, that was the first ever flight of that particular vehicle (and the first ever orbital flight for Blue Origin as a company).

To be harsh, the choice to put a first-ever flight into such a high orbit where junk stays for the long haul was ... a bold one.
 
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Should have clarified and said "industrialised built up area."
Poland's population density is only 120 people/sq km.
Compare with Belgium at 383.
Clearly not industrialised build up area...

https://maps.app.goo.gl/FcCsP89H47KuJTRx5

Poznań suburbs are very densely populated.

I also love people using density of whole country in such a context. USA has 36 inhabitants per square km. Yet some places look like this. https://maps.app.goo.gl/MzYRBZFxV9QDrZFz6?g_st=ac

That's totally useless statistic.
 
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Ironically, it seems to have exploded after completing passivation.

To be fair, that was the first ever flight of that particular vehicle (and the first ever orbital flight for Blue Origin as a company).

To be harsh, the choice to put a first-ever flight into such a high orbit where junk stays for the long haul was ... a bold one.
Centaur seems to be having the same problem. Several of those have broken up in similar orbits.
 
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The rocket stage that fell over Poland Wednesday launched a batch of Starlink internet satellites from California earlier this month.

Given that we've all been deriding China for dropping uncontrolled debris into the atmosphere (sometimes into their own villages which to be fair was pretty horrendous given the hypergolic fuels), shouldn't we be making a bigger deal of this? I understand the technicalities of why there wasn't an investigation, but this just seems pretty poor to say the least.
 
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Given that we've all been deriding China for dropping uncontrolled debris into the atmosphere (sometimes into their own villages which to be fair was pretty horrendous given the hypergolic fuels), shouldn't we be making a bigger deal of this? I understand the technicalities of why there wasn't an investigation, but this just seems pretty poor to say the least.
SpaceX's standard practice is a controlled deorbit, while China's standard practice is to put the stage into LEO then tell everyone "good luck, guys, YOLO!". That's a bit of a difference.
 
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Given that we've all been deriding China for dropping uncontrolled debris into the atmosphere (sometimes into their own villages which to be fair was pretty horrendous given the hypergolic fuels), shouldn't we be making a bigger deal of this? I understand the technicalities of why there wasn't an investigation, but this just seems pretty poor to say the least.
The Chinese aren't doing anything (or very little) to avoid dropping first stages on top of people. At least with a second stage it has to slow down from orbital velocity (which means it gets mostly destroyed), and SpaceX also planned to have a de-orbit burn, which didn't happen in this case.
Remember that SpaceX are also changing their entire Human spaceflight recovery procedures (moving from East to West coast) to avoid debris making it to the ground.
 
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The Chinese aren't doing anything (or very little) to avoid dropping first stages on top of people. At least with a second stage it has to slow down from orbital velocity (which means it gets mostly destroyed), and SpaceX also planned to have a de-orbit burn, which didn't happen in this case.
Remember that SpaceX are also changing their entire Human spaceflight recovery procedures (moving from East to West coast) to avoid debris making it to the ground.
China also purposely leaves upper stages in 700+ km LEO orbits that are stable for centuries. US launch providers aren't allowed to do that.
 
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? They are moving allegedly, or the reason for the move is to allegedly avoid debris?
They are definitely moving, because Shannon has already relocated to Long Beach.
The other reason (not mutually exclusive) is that the weather and the seas along that stretch of the West Coast are supposedly calmer and more predictable than in the Gulf of Ahhhemmahem*coughcough* - sorry, something in my throat...
 
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This Week's Additional Launches
A busy week this week. There are seven launches beyond the next three scheduled for this week, including Intuitive Machines' latest flight to the Moon and Starship Flight 8. I have my doubts that SpaceX will actually get all the FAA red tape out of the way that fast but, they've got it on the schedule, more power to them.

February 24 | 04:42 UTC: Falcon 9 | Starlink Group 12-13 | SLC-40, Cape Canaveral SFS, Florida

February 25 | 08:10 UTC: Ceres 1 | Unknown Payload | Site 95A, Jiuquan Satellite Launch Center, China

February 26 | 23:30 UTC: Starship/Superheavy | Starship Flight 8 | Orbital Launchpad A, Starbase, Texas.

February 27 | 00:17 UTC: Falcon 9 | PRIME-1 (IM-2) | LC-39A, Kennedy Space Center. Florida

February 27 | 07:10 UTC: Long March 2C | Unknown Payload | Site 9401 (SLS-2), Jiuquan Satellite Launch Center, China

February 27 | 21:24 UTC: Soyuz 2.1a | Progress MS-30 | Site 31/6 Baikonur Cosmodrome, Kazakhstan

February 28 | 02:52 UTC: Falcon 9 | Starlink Group 12-20 | SLC-40, Cape Canaveral SFS, Florida
 
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Streams for today's Starlink launch from Florida. Due to go up in little over an hour:
Spaceflight Now:

NASA Spaceflight:

Space Affairs:

SpaceX: https://www.spacex.com/launches/mission/?missionId=sl-12-14

Spaceflight Now stream is live.
NSF also live.
 
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