Review: Air Display turns iPad into pricy secondary display

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$499 for a 9-inch secondary display? Before you write it off as a terrible idea, read on. The iPad and Air Display may surprise you.

<a href='http://meincmagazine.com/apple/reviews/2010/06/review-air-display-makes-ipad-into-pricey-secondary-display.ars'>Read the whole story</a>
 
Anyway, I'm not defending Apple and I did notice you was giving kodos to them in some respect. I thought I was being lite on the rhetoric which was why I also included other OS's and equipment. I understand as to why SJ has that holier-than-thou attitude about himself and all that as well as Apple's method of staying in line: he doesn't want to be ripped of again and it's just Apple's past history.

(I use a HP 15-C calculator. If you handed me a standard calc like the one in the iPhone, I would stumble!) :D
 
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Cryolithic":2hygru3t said:
Perfect examples. Again, I'm not saying Apple hasn't taken things and made them popular, or work really well, just that they didn't blaze the trail per se.
Gui : something that pre-existed and apple made popular. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphical_ ... ce#History

Same with the mouse: "The first marketed integrated mouse, shipped as a part of a computer and intended for personal computer navigation, came with the Xerox 8010 Star Information System in 1981. However, the mouse remained relatively obscure until the appearance of the Apple Macintosh."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouse_(computing)#Early_mice

Yes, these items weren't mainstream, but they existed and were in use (not just R&D). Apple built on them (sometimes) and popularized them. Embrace, Extend anyone ;)

edit: just to be clear, I'm not trying to troll, just pointing out a behaviour that I've noticed.
On Topic: That does look really cool!

Wikipedia is a bit out on GUI history. Any article about GUI history that doesn't reference Jef Raskin's 1967 thesis "The Quick Draw Interface" is incomplete. Have a look at:

http://web.archive.org/web/200709280722 ... holes.html
http://mxmora.best.vwh.net/JefRaskin.html

Xerox built on Raskin's work, as he built on Sutherland's. As an Apple employee, Raskin did as much to create the GUI in concept and execution as the people at Xerox PARC, possibly much more in the conceptual stage. When Apple licensed some technology from Xerox, they used it to flesh out their existing designs, and then built upon it (for example, Xerox used no menu bar, just menu pop-ups).

Not that I'm saying Apple did everything. Just that they did a fair bit that history is attributing to others. It's an interesting digression, nothing relevant to the story, but interesting nonetheless.

(disclaimer: written from work while on a short break; memory used to fill in gaps...)
 
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rx2":20tbd5ls said:
I think it depends on the individual. I had 2 monitors and it wasn't for me, So I got a 30" and do almost everything off of a the 30", though I do keep my email client open on the old 20". So I'm at 95/5 split. I don't miss the dual display on a laptop.

Well, everything depends on the individual...Also, a 30" screen is unambiguously awesome. What is the main "stresser" of the UI you're commonly interacting with?

For me, it's writing code and/or photo stuff. Screen real estate is always cramped when coding, and for photo stuff, it definitely helps to move the palettes off-screen permanently.
 
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I bought it when it came out. I use it quite a bit when coding putting the iphone simulator and the console on it. Main issue I have with it is it drops connection randomly. Never enough to stop using it, but enough to be annoying. Then it takes a few attempts to reconnect to it. Overall excellent product though.
 
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wanorris":2l19q2ls said:
bartfat":2l19q2ls said:
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Aurich":2l19q2ls said:
Standardizing our multimedia content into something more friendly to iPads/iPhone/Android whatever is something we're working on currently, we agree. :)

It amuses me that Apple has so affected content in this way. If it was anyone else, HP say, who was saying "please put your content in H264!", we'd scoff and continue using Flash (even if FLV is just an MP4 container these days)
That's because HP was never a trailblazer.
I remember using an HP slate tablet back in what, 2004? Maybe 2005. Either this, or a close variant: http://www.tabletpc2.com/Review-HPTC1100.htm

The iPad may be a better tablet (in a variety of ways), but for the life of me, I can't see how it's more trailblazing, coming years later as it does.

Ok, basic tablet history 101:

* Apple released their first tablet PC in 1993. Work was started on them in 1987. ARM as created by Acorn and Apple to provide a CPU for them.

* Microsoft released Pen Computing for Windows in 1994, as an add-on to existing Windows 3.1. It was released as v2 for Windows 95, and it as incorporated as Windows XP Tablet edition later on.

* Apple *stopped* producing tablet hardware in 1998.

* Apple started again with the iPhone, switching to fingertip usage rather than stylus.

This is one of the cases where Apple really is an innovator. They just cut their loses for a while because the technology just wasn't up to the job, and unlike Microsoft, they couldn't afford to throw millions away with a CEO's hopes about the future at the time. It's also one of the cases where Bill Gates was right about the importance of tablets - he always saw it as the future. Just MS's execution of it so far has pretty much sucked because they're coming at it from their desktop/mouse-replacement legacy.

Memories of anything in 200x don't mean a thing. You're dealing with companies and product lineages that are decades in the making.
 
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SeanJW":hfdl1t05 said:
They just cut their loses for a while because the technology just wasn't up to the job

Gotta disagree, I had and found very useful several Fujitsu Stylistics (mostly 1200's) over the years. No, the battery life and weight were not ideal, by a long shot, but they were decent enough "slate" PC's.

(I used them heavily in landscape mode for reading PDF's, using a 3rd party annotation program...)
 
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Dawn Falcon":10onw9cv said:
SeanJW":10onw9cv said:
They just cut their loses for a while because the technology just wasn't up to the job

Gotta disagree, I had and found very useful several Fujitsu Stylistics (mostly 1200's) over the years. No, the battery life and weight were not ideal, by a long shot, but they were decent enough "slate" PC's.

(I used them heavily in landscape mode for reading PDF's, using a 3rd party annotation program...)

In 1998? Pen Windows was abominable. It was a rushed product thrown out there to head off companies like Go hijacking the Pen OS market with PenPoint, and in the end didn't matter as the whole idea was premature anyway.
 
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CaribouLou":vdf41w4p said:
Cryolithic":vdf41w4p said:
bartfat":vdf41w4p said:
darkowl":vdf41w4p said:
Aurich":vdf41w4p said:
Standardizing our multimedia content into something more friendly to iPads/iPhone/Android whatever is something we're working on currently, we agree. :)

It amuses me that Apple has so affected content in this way. If it was anyone else, HP say, who was saying "please put your content in H264!", we'd scoff and continue using Flash (even if FLV is just an MP4 container these days)
That's because HP was never a trailblazer.
Wow, you're either really young, or swimming in the Kool-Aid. While I'll admit that Apple has definitely done certain things well, they've rarely ever trailblazed.
HP: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/busin ... 67704.html
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hewlett-Packard

Not that I think HP is amazing either, but I just don't get it with Apple fanatics, there seems to be some belief that everything that apple has taken and improved upon successfully was theirs from the start. I had a huge discussion last year where a class mate had brought up a number of claims of apple firsts, all of which were not.

Feel free to disagree and cite some firsts that Apple actually created, but I can't think of any off the top of my head right now.

OK I'll bite, even as a non-Mac fan. The GUI? The mouse? We'll start with those two common claims.
Apple didn't invent the mouse – this guy did.
 
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Tremelune":2tvhysri said:
rx2":2tvhysri said:
I think it depends on the individual. I had 2 monitors and it wasn't for me, So I got a 30" and do almost everything off of a the 30", though I do keep my email client open on the old 20". So I'm at 95/5 split. I don't miss the dual display on a laptop.

Well, everything depends on the individual...Also, a 30" screen is unambiguously awesome. What is the main "stresser" of the UI you're commonly interacting with?

For me, it's writing code and/or photo stuff. Screen real estate is always cramped when coding, and for photo stuff, it definitely helps to move the palettes off-screen permanently.
Depends. I prefer to turn palettes on and off using keyboard shortcuts. It's faster than moving my mouse to a different monitor IME.
 
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The vendors (Avatron Software) main homepage is currently down, possible due to the extra traffic generated by this article.

If this had happened with a site mentioned/linked from Slashdot, the term used to describe the situation would be that the site had been "Slashdotted".

Lets make a quick poll here.

Since this is Ars, not Slashdot, perhaps we could say that the linked/featured site

1.) ... had been Arsed ... ?
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3.) ... fell hard on its Ars ... ?

While I am tempted to laugh my Ars off, its actually kind of sad that Avatron is not able to utilize (read: profit from) the traffic generated...


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Tremelune":3lqt7b2p said:
Having a secondary display is life-changing, for most things you might want to do with a computer. It is the most important thing I miss when using a laptop instead of a desktop.

Small, portable secondary displays are hard to come by. For me, this is the iPad's primary selling point. I've been waiting for someone to get this right.

Really? I have a secondary display with my laptop, but for the most part the laptop stays closed.
 
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Natasha Stewart":1czzo6l3 said:
Good article. I agree with @wanorris " zoom mode, with the ability to pan to different locations on the screen"
it would be great.

Again, VNC. VNC is the awesome sauce on an iPod Touch, so I can only imagine the awesomeness of it on a bigger display. VNC is also free, VNC server is also pre-loaded on Mac OS X ( Sharing, Remote Management ).
 
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senduran":1xip8as6 said:
SeanJW wrote:
Ok, basic tablet history 101:

* Apple released their first tablet PC in 1993. Work was started on them in 1987. ARM as created by Acorn and Apple to provide a CPU for them.

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This is one of the cases where Apple really is an innovator.

Err, what? You're counting the Newton PDA as a tablet PC? I hardly think that counts, though they do seem to have innovated in that area.

Acorn was the innovator here with their 1996 NewsPad, the first real functioning device with iPad-like form-factor and touch screen. There's a story where an Acorn employee is using one during a Microsoft presentation on tablet computers, but they're only able to show mock-up video of how they imagine these devices will be in the future. Then the Acorn employee stands up and says we've already done it.

The Newton platform was released in a few form factors and the original MessagePad was bigger than the iPod Touch (18cm x 11cm)... so slightly smaller than an iPad though the screen doesn't come near it for quality.

Acorn pretty much never got the NewsPad out of prototype
 
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Glav":cn9zu5lj said:
Neat!

Dawn Falcon":cn9zu5lj said:
I was rather expecting this functionality to be provided by Apple, as a major selling point!

If it uses 23% of the CPU to do something on that second window, that doesn't sound like something Apple would live with. They'd wait until they got something on the order of Microsoft's Remote Desktop client, where actual commands are issued.

iPad 3.0 feature!

Of course, they'd go one step further, and have it sync with other ipads and iOS devices too. :]

Less laggy remote display on Macs in general would be a cool thing. It would make the remote desktop features that are already built into Macs more usable in general (and not just for the iPad).
 
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SeanJW":f21xjho4 said:
In 1998? Pen Windows was abominable. It was a rushed product thrown out there to head off companies like Go hijacking the Pen OS market with PenPoint, and in the end didn't matter as the whole idea was premature anyway.

The 1200 came with some pretty usable pen software. Can't remember *which* at this remove, but it wasn't the basic microsoft tools.
 
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SeanJW":3k75zfi8 said:
Ok, basic tablet history 101:

* Apple released their first tablet PC in 1993. Work was started on them in 1987. ARM as created by Acorn and Apple to provide a CPU for them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PenPoint_OS was there first. This was released in '92: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:700T , and there were others.

SeanJW":3k75zfi8 said:
This is one of the cases where Apple really is an innovator. They just cut their loses for a while because the technology just wasn't up to the job, and unlike Microsoft, they couldn't afford to throw millions away with a CEO's hopes about the future at the time.
Apple was definitely a serious innovator back in the first 10-15 years of its life. I mean, the Apple ][ was hugely innovative. Apple may not have invented the GUI and mouse, but Jobs' single-minded focus on putting them together into a working, saleable package was huge, even if the first version (the Lisa) fell flat. Totally agree. And the Newton may not have been first, but it tried to do some really hard things and solve difficult problems. It was totally ahead of its time.

Since Jobs came back, though, it kind of seems like Apple has been more focused on releasing "masterpiece" versions of things that already exist than on blazing new trails. They but on Unix, they built on the Next development framework, they switched to off-the-shelf Intel CPUs and other straightforward PC components, they released an MP3 player that was a bit late but was immaculate.

SeanJW":3k75zfi8 said:
It's also one of the cases where Bill Gates was right about the importance of tablets - he always saw it as the future. Just MS's execution of it so far has pretty much sucked because they're coming at it from their desktop/mouse-replacement legacy.
I'd say there's a couple issues Microsoft ran into with Tablet PC, which had some good point.

1. Working with a full-blown x86 Windows PC is a problem. There's a ton of things you have to jam in that small box, and making it a tablet actually requires more resources than a normal PC. The net effect was that Tablet PCs were chunky, slow, and usually suffering from terrible battery life. Worse, there usually weren't tablet versions of apps, because all the Windows software already ran on it, so most apps were clunky. Apple had a better choice of base platforms, and also better timing -- which wasn't a coincidence, because Apple tends to keep things under wraps until they think it's good enough to ship.

2. Microsoft was trying to solve real-world data entry problems, hence the pen. They wanted something you could use to easily take notes with and to perform general purpose computing tasks on. By contrast, the iPad is designed pretty much purely as a consumption device. It is arguably less efffective for data entry than the iPhone is, given that you pretty much have to lay it flat on a table to type decently on it. By coming up with enough interesting media consumption and game-playing tasks for it, Apple has sidestepped this problem altogether, and has thus produced a highly popular device so far.
 
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Cryolithic":3c7rb3u4 said:
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Feel free to disagree and cite some firsts that Apple actually created, but I can't think of any off the top of my head right now.

HP is far from the company it was back in the scientific calculator days.

owning something HP is now usually associated with a computer, and any bragging done would be about how good a deal you got on it.

Apple is first to popularize, not necessarily first to invent, and calling them first to popularize is not a slight, they put some real effort into their products.
 
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Cryolithic":2vep0z4e said:
Not that I think HP is amazing either, but I just don't get it with Apple fanatics, there seems to be some belief that everything that apple has taken and improved upon successfully was theirs from the start. I had a huge discussion last year where a class mate had brought up a number of claims of apple firsts, all of which were not.

Feel free to disagree and cite some firsts that Apple actually created, but I can't think of any off the top of my head right now.

I think you don't understand the difference between innovation and invention. Apple certainly has invented things, and I could name them, but that's not the point. Apple takes technology that is beyond the reach of average computer users and makes them accessible. I could name lots of things that most computer users had no idea how to do before Apple's solution. Here's just a few:
- networking two computers
- wireless networking
- connect a second screen (a decade before Windows even had this support)
- use a computer in the first place
 
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bartfat":1z4upfwc said:
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Aurich":1z4upfwc said:
Standardizing our multimedia content into something more friendly to iPads/iPhone/Android whatever is something we're working on currently, we agree. :)

It amuses me that Apple has so affected content in this way. If it was anyone else, HP say, who was saying "please put your content in H264!", we'd scoff and continue using Flash (even if FLV is just an MP4 container these days)
That's because HP was never a trailblazer.

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Technology should be progressive not stagnate.

I just appreciate forward thinking companies. Apple is. In all fairness to HP - they are becoming more of one - albeit much slower.

Adobe isn't even in the same century. The era of 700 software upgrades is gone bye bye. So is poorly written MP4 container code.

So is the old way of thinking about hardware, it's form and uses.

The true definition of a geek should be trying/writing/building new and different technology. Anyway that is what makes my five bars light up. Not re-stuffing old desktops with outdated hardware/software.

Keep those old eight track tapes playing though someday they might be worth something... lol.
 
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