greggman":2jeujyei said:I'm surprised there hasn't been more bitching about iCloud's limited storage.
There's 2 ways to look at it.
1) Apple gives you 5gig free (it's a bonus and not a feature of your device)
2) Your device includes 5gig of iCloud space for one $XXXX priced Apple device in which case you're getting stiffed by Apple if you buy more than 1 Apple device.
In other words, if I buy $600 iPhone, a $900 iPad3, a $1100 Air and $3000 MPB why do I only get 5Gig? I paid 4 times, shouldn't I get 20gig? Yea, I know I can create 4 Apple accounts but that's hardly useful for taking advantage of iCloud
thenewperson":184r7a03 said:Yes, there is an extension by Daniel Jalkut (Red Sweater Software). It mostly replicates the functionality lost, but opens in an RSS reader instead. http://red-sweater.com/temp/SubscribeToFeed.zip
Photo Stream, among other things. And some iOS apps tend to back up to iCloud by default, so if that’s a "file manager" app that stores your videos and screencasts, you can end up with 0 space in no time.thenewperson":rme2tzf5 said:So what are you storing that needs that much space? Are your documents *that* large?
smoofles":3iq1ew7p said:Photo Stream, among other things. And some iOS apps tend to back up to iCloud by default, so if that’s a "file manager" app that stores your videos and screencasts, you can end up with 0 space in no time.thenewperson":3iq1ew7p said:So what are you storing that needs that much space? Are your documents *that* large?
Sorry, Camera Roll is what I meant. Takes up 2,5 GB here. And videos and screencasts I don’t store on iCloud per se, but in a separate app (really only stuff that is iPad-viewing-on-train-only) and the app had iCloud backup turned on apparently, so the ~2 GB of screencasts I put on there were backed up as iOS "application data". But Camera Roll is iPhone only and 2,5 GB already after next to no picture-taking. So yeah, it’s certainly possible to bump against the 5GB limit now and then and having to manage it/delete stuff etc.thenewperson":kuew28mx said:smoofles":kuew28mx said:Photo Stream, among other things. And some iOS apps tend to back up to iCloud by default, so if that’s a "file manager" app that stores your videos and screencasts, you can end up with 0 space in no time.thenewperson":kuew28mx said:So what are you storing that needs that much space? Are your documents *that* large?
Photo Stream doesn't use storage. And who the hell would use iCloud to store videos and screencasts? You have on-board storage for that. Really, the only thing that does use up much space is backups, and I wonder how many people will use up 5 GB for that.
Modernape":116pvhh5 said:I held off upgrading to Lion because of the desktop-refresh delay which happened when switching between desktops, unlike the smooth-as-silk switch between Spaces in Snow Leopard. I'd be interested to know if ML has fixed the desktop transition into something smoother?
Apple's been sandboxing their own apps.jnseward":5p0zlxv2 said:Pages, Numbers, Keynote, Safari, Mail, etc., will not be sandboxed.
cargath":2ceu79xu said:A great review, as always. I'm not finished (i always spend a few days of fun with your reviews, simply not enough time to read everything at once), but i've already got a few remarks.
I have to disagree on how easy the installation process is. Everything works fine, except if you've used Disk Utility to create another partition. I've got a second partition running Ubuntu, because i need it for my diploma thesis, and the installer keeps telling me i can't install Mountain Lion on my main disk, because "OS X cannot start up from this disk". This is obnoxious. It should be able to install on a partitioned disk, it is not uncommon. Of course i could reinstall Ubuntu, but that would take a lot of time and effort.
As has been the case for all non-server versions of the Mac operating system, Mountain Lion has no serial number, no product activation, and no DRM of any kind. The standard Mac App Store license terms allow customers to install a copy of the software on "each Apple-branded computer […] that you own or control," including two additional copies on each Mac inside virtual machines.
falku":3qd9wyd0 said:cargath":3qd9wyd0 said:A great review, as always. I'm not finished (i always spend a few days of fun with your reviews, simply not enough time to read everything at once), but i've already got a few remarks.
I have to disagree on how easy the installation process is. Everything works fine, except if you've used Disk Utility to create another partition. I've got a second partition running Ubuntu, because i need it for my diploma thesis, and the installer keeps telling me i can't install Mountain Lion on my main disk, because "OS X cannot start up from this disk". This is obnoxious. It should be able to install on a partitioned disk, it is not uncommon. Of course i could reinstall Ubuntu, but that would take a lot of time and effort.
Does this mean an existing bootcamp partition gets in the way of the installation ? Can hardly be possible...
WaltC":1npcdt00 said:If you would like a first-hand demonstration of OS X DRM then here is all you have to do: find any x86 computer made on earth aside from the x86 Intel computers that are Apple-branded & rommed, it doesn't matter if they are AMD powered or Intel powered, and try, just try, to boot up OS X on one of them. You will not succeed and OS X DRM is what will stop you. OTOH, Windows has no such brand-specific DRM anywhere inside its code base. Such bald-faced fibbing does not become you. OS X is crammed to the gills with DRM.
WaltC":h05lc1en said:As has been the case for all non-server versions of the Mac operating system, Mountain Lion has no serial number, no product activation, and no DRM of any kind. The standard Mac App Store license terms allow customers to install a copy of the software on "each Apple-branded computer […] that you own or control," including two additional copies on each Mac inside virtual machines.
John, I'm asking this in a nice way, but you aren't really this dense, are you?
If you would like a first-hand demonstration of OS X DRM then here is all you have to do: find any x86 computer made on earth aside from the x86 Intel computers that are Apple-branded & rommed, it doesn't matter if they are AMD powered or Intel powered, and try, just try, to boot up OS X on one of them. You will not succeed and OS X DRM is what will stop you. OTOH, Windows has no such brand-specific DRM anywhere inside its code base. Such bald-faced fibbing does not become you. OS X is crammed to the gills with DRM.
Why, as well, when they should already know this, do Apple proponents who "still believe in the dream" but have eschewed reality--talk about the low, low price of OS X while forgetting the Elephant in the Room--the *Mac* that must be purchased as a dongle for OS X before OS X will even run? Windows does not require you to purchase a Microsoft-branded computer before it will run because Windows is deliberately engineered to run on everything whether made by Microsoft or not, even a Mac--while OS X is deliberately engineered to run on nothing *except* a Mac. And you say that OS X has no DRM and perpetually seem unable to understand Apple's abysmally low world-wide computer market share, year after year.
That's because "the dream" is done, John. Apple stuck an Apple-branded fork in it long ago. You'd best wake up and smell the coffee. Or, just stick to cell phones, I suppose, if Apple means that much to you.
thenewperson":1p1c8s7e said:greggman":1p1c8s7e said:I'm surprised there hasn't been more bitching about iCloud's limited storage.
There's 2 ways to look at it.
1) Apple gives you 5gig free (it's a bonus and not a feature of your device)
2) Your device includes 5gig of iCloud space for one $XXXX priced Apple device in which case you're getting stiffed by Apple if you buy more than 1 Apple device.
In other words, if I buy $600 iPhone, a $900 iPad3, a $1100 Air and $3000 MPB why do I only get 5Gig? I paid 4 times, shouldn't I get 20gig? Yea, I know I can create 4 Apple accounts but that's hardly useful for taking advantage of iCloud
So what are you storing that needs that much space? Are your documents *that* large?
Saving *was* broken. Computers do one thing really well; repetitive tasks. Saving is a repetitive task. Users shouldn't even think about saving unless they want to do something different, like make another copy. Oh I agree the duplicate/rename thing was stupid but saving should have been forcefully automated long ago.* I don't even particularly like OSX method, but it is better than what came before.Wolfcoyote_J":14uknicx said:<snip>
2) Saving. Why the heck did Apple attempt to "fix" the ye-olde process of saving documents when it wasn't broken? Consumer-level desktops have been available for about thirty-five years now. Surely one has learned (or can learn) the simple process of saving.
Both of these issues had me wanting to bang my head against the desk (I'm at home on vacation, I don't mean an office). While ML isn't enough to make me want to give up SL, security support plus minimum requirements of intriguing software may cause me to upgrade.
One point that I think JS might not have mentioned - ML (according to the MAS) can be installed over SL. So Those of us who chose to skip Lion won't have to pay $30.00 and then pay the additional $20.00? If that's true, then great.
As a matter of fact, Photo Stream does not count against your iCloud storage. Apple lets us store 1000 of latest pictures for 30 days for free in Photo Stream.smoofles":20sns700 said:Photo Stream, among other things. And some iOS apps tend to back up to iCloud by default, so if that’s a "file manager" app that stores your videos and screencasts, you can end up with 0 space in no time.thenewperson":20sns700 said:So what are you storing that needs that much space? Are your documents *that* large?
Zoolook":q1xwp8y5 said:thenewperson":q1xwp8y5 said:greggman":q1xwp8y5 said:I'm surprised there hasn't been more bitching about iCloud's limited storage.
There's 2 ways to look at it.
1) Apple gives you 5gig free (it's a bonus and not a feature of your device)
2) Your device includes 5gig of iCloud space for one $XXXX priced Apple device in which case you're getting stiffed by Apple if you buy more than 1 Apple device.
In other words, if I buy $600 iPhone, a $900 iPad3, a $1100 Air and $3000 MPB why do I only get 5Gig? I paid 4 times, shouldn't I get 20gig? Yea, I know I can create 4 Apple accounts but that's hardly useful for taking advantage of iCloud
So what are you storing that needs that much space? Are your documents *that* large?
You have to be pretty disciplined to use 5 gigs only. If you enable photo stream, have iCloud backup enabled and are a bit of a PDF hoarder, the 5 gigs does get used quite heavily. A lot of games and apps (Mac and iOS) use iCloud storage too. It all adds up.
So definitely don't expect to see a 24+ page review of Windows 8 from John Siracusa. Maybe another Ars journalist will do it, but i'm 99% sure John wouldn't.
The MAS sandboxing rules, and the eventual default to MAS only, which you predict, means that sophisticated, complex software will soon be effectively limited to selling only to the upper 1% of tech-savvy Mac users, who are willing to ignore Apple's scary warnings against non-MAS apps.
jeamland":3fvy0uid said:Why is it so hard to imagine a simple UI?
- 3 fingers up brings up mission control on both monitors.
- You get to see the "current" desktop on each monitor
- with the additional desktops/full screens in a row above it (exactly as with one screen now).
- The full screens are 100% monitor dependent, so on the left monitor you see only the full screens for the left monitor, on the right you see the ones for the right.
- When you hit the full screen button on a window, it opens full screen on the monitor that's currently active/in-focus. The inactive monitor stays right where it was.
- When you do a three fingers left or right swipe, the active monitor swipes through its list of desktops/full screens, and the other monitor does nothing.
I disagree that making this "simpler for non-power users" is a good idea, becuase non-power users DON'T HAVE MULTIPLE MONITORS IN THE FIRST PLACE.
I agree with you as far as general performance goes, but I don't think you're right when it comes to the specific area of graphics. OS X still has a long ways to go as far as OpenGL and general drivers goes, and it seems as if Apple has started to give that a bit more attention (after ignoring it for years). It's not a big deal, but I do think a quick mention of improvements there, if any, would be of value. Although it's true you can probably leave that to other sites, Anandtech for example tends to do a certain amount of performance testing. Can't hit everythingJohn":3raj0jri said:Test hardware specs were much more relevant when Mac OS X was dog-slow in its early years. Today, any Mac Apple sells provides acceptable performance when running OS X. If Apple makes a performance-focused OS release in the future, I might include benchmarks and list hardware specs. But that hasn't the theme of an OS X release for a while now.Darter":3raj0jri said:So I was just wondering if you could detail the hardware that you tested Mountain Lion on. I am really curious why you do not do this any more. I am the one who nitpicked you about the same thing in your Snow Leopard ReviewEver since the Snow Leopard review you have stopped giving detailed information on the hardware that you are running it on. Is there a reason to this change of policy.
Didn't Peter Bright wuss out on the Win 7 review? Seem to remember this big talk and only one or two parts of the review being released.Uncompetative":2s11chre said:There's a high probability that the Windows 8 review will be longer because it is so different.
Yeah and downloading drivers (AMD Catalyst, Gigabyte audio drivers, etc...) every time you have to reinstall windows is such an unbridled joy.WaltC":mtxem6o0 said:If you would like a first-hand demonstration of OS X DRM then here is all you have to do: find any x86 computer made on earth aside from the x86 Intel computers that are Apple-branded & rommed...OS X is crammed to the gills with DRM.
Peter Bright does the Windows OS reviews, John Siracusa does the Apple OS reviews.Nightwish":17modh7z said:Didn't he wuss out on the Win 7 review? Seem to remember this big talk and only one or two parts of the review being released.Uncompetative":17modh7z said:There's a high probability that the Windows 8 review will be longer because it is so different.