Pope Leo XIV warns AI could threaten workers as industrial revolution did in the 1800s.
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New pope chose his name based on AI’s threats to “human dignity”
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It would be way more funnier if they got their names like the military picks their callsigns for their pilots: from your peers and based on personally embarrassing stories.
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And Prosperity Theology (wikipedia) has long been a thing, despite Jesus explicitly preaching against the accumulation of wealth throughout the Gospel.
Simply put, hypocrisy is the crowning virtue for modern conservative "Christians".
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I think that the main god that matters to those folks is Mammon. And possibly also the Omnissiah.
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The real advance of the “technology” is nothing besides skipping safety regulations, and in case they ever get applied, they can claim “not my fault, it was the training” when it keeps getting put into things like private health care insurance (admittedly only a USA problem but it might come your way).
Now, you could say if people in governments understood that it’s literally a rule of thumb machine based on shitty if else arguments during training, they wouldn’t even allow it on emoji generators.
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Though I am not myself a catholic, I am happy that the Catholic Church seems to be led by a levelheaded and well-informed person. They still hold tremendous sway in the world, and we need all the good actors we can get.
As an aside, I don't understand why popes and royals feel the need to take on a "stage name" when assuming their roles. Their presumably preeminent positions should afford them the ability to continue to use their own name, one would think.
As an aside, I don't understand why popes and royals feel the need to take on a "stage name" when assuming their roles. Their presumably preeminent positions should afford them the ability to continue to use their own name, one would think.
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I am broadly against religion but I'm certainly not going to complain that the guy in charge of one of the world's biggest and most influential organizations is trying to spread some of the values I hold dear. Not letting him off the hook for everything, but the world desperately needs some warmth and humanity right now.
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There have been prosperity gospel types that have even reinterpreted the "eye of the needle" quote by Jesus to say he was actually talking about a city gate in Jerusalem and not the eye of a needle. Because they really really need people to not see being rich as being sinful.
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People read the Bible through the prism of their own dogma, accepting what matches and reinterpreting everything else to match.
Why do so many Christians believe Paul’s claim the new covenant Jesus fulfilled freed us from following the 600+ laws of Moses, when Jesus is quoted multiple times that those laws are to be followed forever (until he returns for the final judgement)?
Because their dogma precludes belief in archaic laws pronouncing death for committing a gay sex act, on innocent virgins failing a flawed virginity test, promoting slavery, selling your daughters as sex slaves, etc, etc.
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As mentioned popes taking on a new name started with former converted pagans not wanting to keep their name honoring a pagan god as a Christian leader. But more broadly it's because assuming a role as head of a church or nation represents a change in the person, a solemn new responsibility, and depending on your religious views too a renewal and reshaping them into something different as a servant of the divine rather than the person they used to be. It's why kings and queens take on reginal names too, to signify externally an internal change that the person is now the office and that the person is in subservience to the office and it's temporal or divine authority
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Philosophically speaking, the idea is that the new name reflects that they no longer have the privilege of just speaking for themselves but must now speak for all their subjects. Practically speaking, it gives them a privilege to hand out - only those in the most inner of circles are allowed to call them by their old name.
ETA: Hey! Who let the ninjas in?
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Agreed, the Catholic Church is never going to wholly satisfy secular views and interests, but it's important and good to stand together on what we value in common
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funny, cause Jesus had alot of words for people like that preacher - and exactly zero of them were kind....
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There's also a biblical aspect I forgot about for the pope as well. Jesus renames Simon to Peter (the rock) and as the Catholic church views Peter as the first pope/bishop of rome then his successors taking on a new name as they accept the office and responsibility is to walk in the pattern laid out by Christ and the bible
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Two things: (1) you presumably acknowledge the role of many transformative things that occurred, and not just mechanization, and (2) the fact you have to specify "western world" suggests that the story is more complicated than an unmitigated success.
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Hypocrisy has always been the crowning virtue of all Christians.
The Catholic Church was the first to recognize how indefensible much of the Bible’s teachings are, and developed the concept that Church leaders could reinterpret the most inconvenient ones based on their direct pipeline to God. And sell you forgiveness for a price, either cash or your participation in the genocide of non-believers in the Holy Lands.
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While Ratzinger certainly looked the part of Emperor Palpatine, he was quite the softy and did not really live up to his nickname of "God's Rottweiler." I mean his first encyclical was called God is Love.
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I always find it amusing that Jesus basically said - "Hey, if you are going to pray, go do it in a room with nobody else around to hear you pray. Don't be a hypocrite and pray just so other people can see you."
And almost immediately, people started praying in large groups.
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We used to do that in parochial school with potato chips. till the nuns whacked us. Still did it anyway. Chips and grape juice....
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Just add /s and the love of your fellow arsians wil start flowing in.
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A thought about the industrial revolution is we are looking at it with rose colored glasses in a way. We are surrounded and benefiting from all the good things it certainly brought up.
What gets left out/forgotten is all the people who lost their jobs and livelihoods and were left to starve or become "legal" slave labor for anyone willing to abuse them for a few pennies. There was no unemployment payments for them. They were faced with homelessness and starvation (for their entire families).
Changes like this might bring good things for society as a whole, but such disruptions destroy many lives and bring alot of suffering - especially in countries that don't care about their displaced workers (america is firmly in this category as of now).
What gets left out/forgotten is all the people who lost their jobs and livelihoods and were left to starve or become "legal" slave labor for anyone willing to abuse them for a few pennies. There was no unemployment payments for them. They were faced with homelessness and starvation (for their entire families).
Changes like this might bring good things for society as a whole, but such disruptions destroy many lives and bring alot of suffering - especially in countries that don't care about their displaced workers (america is firmly in this category as of now).
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I mean, the way I heard that one (back when I was part of it) was that that specific gate required stripping all loads off the camel for it to pass through, meaning to basically "lay aside all worldly goods", which actually would have been an apt metaphor - it's not IMPOSSIBLE for a rich man to enter heaven, but you literally have to unload yourself of all possessions - hard for rich people, but not 100% impossible. That actually made a lot of sense. Now, was that true of that gate? No idea. OTOH, Jesus literally meaning a sewing needle like we use today would mean it's actually impossible for any "rich" people to ever get into heaven - and yet several "rich" people were described as righteous in the bible, IIRC. Abraham, David, Joseph of Arimethea..
I've heard worse - anyone remember that "eagle sloughs off its beak and regrews a new one" crap going around ~20 years ago?
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So it wasn't a reference to Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn. And here I heard he was a connoisseur of electronic entertainment software.
Actually, if one was secretly an MMORPGer, this is exactly the sort of explanation one would publicly use.
Actually, if one was secretly an MMORPGer, this is exactly the sort of explanation one would publicly use.
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A Pope is never going to check ALL progressive humanist checkboxes, but as far as they go, this one thus far seems to check more than the typical world leader. And I can't wait for Trump unable to help himself and trash this Pope in his typical demented classless fashion on Truth Social. If he can't manage to uphold some fake civility and class against a bishop, there's a good chance he'll overplay his hand, here. Every little extra portion of alienating somehwat normal people is welcome.
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Popes have historically confirmed our right as laid out above n the Bible to own other people as property, ie slaves. And since then other Popes have said slavery is wrong, and immoral.
Which were walking in the pattern laid out by Christ? Hint: it’s not the ones we would prefer to believe.
During the sermon on the mount Jesus preached that the laws of Moses were to be followed forever.
Which includes this one: Leviticus 25:44-46
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The Bible is full of contradictions and vague stuff. In my mind it is like a blank canvas for you to project your own values on. If you, as a believer, are a good person at heart, who cares about others, then that is what you will find in the Bible. If you are a greedy, selfish bigot, this is what you will find. How you interpret the Bible says more about you as a person than about the text.
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The whole mess at the funeral. MTG opening her mouth before. All kinds of win with this administration.
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1. I fully expected Shedeur Sanders to be selected on the first ballot.
2. I expected hime to take the name Pope AFLAC I.
2. I expected hime to take the name Pope AFLAC I.
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The Catholic Church has a lot of issues obviously, but I am proud that it frequently makes a lot of the more unreasonable Christian sects mad for not being completely batshit crazy and heartless. I hope this Pope does well and continues to push the progressivism it's been dipping its toes into.
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I knew a successful business man and devout Christian who refused to believe the line "It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
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American street preachers are straight up insane. That said, when I was last in Seattle for the Blue Jays invasion in 2023, I had to perversely respect that the angry evangelical preacher took the time to consider his audience and spent his day yelling at Canadian baseball fans about how Justin Trudeau was a sodomite.
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I see you've now changed "industrial revolution" into "industrial age" which is apparently everything that happened in the past 400 years. Now we aren't making that tidy comparison between the "industrial revolution" and AI, are we?
The industrial revolution combined with the rise of democracy, education and science (and more) delivered major quality of life increases to significant fraction of the world's people. Simply calling AI another "industrial revolution" makes me wonder what other forces can balance it to deliver something other than massive concentration of wealth and power. AI might well roll democracy back.
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I think the more liberal elements of the church are struggling with the cognitive dissonance between church doctrine and a belief in treating all people, including LGBT, with dignity.
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Now, I want to start what I'm about to say that the two things I'm about to discuss aren't two totally different things. I think they are, very much, intertwined. And yet, like two strands in a knot, we must separate them.
I think that what the new Pope should be most concerned about isn't AI - it's rising fascism. And yes, like I said before, they aren't completely different domains - fascists will surely use AI as yet another tool of control and oppression.
But the chief threat facing the world, and what every moral person and organization should be focused on, is that autocracy now rules 3 of the 4 largest economies/governments/militaries in the world: Russia, the US, and China.
Israel seems to have come under control of autocrats too, and they are a technologically advanced, nuclear state, though not nearly so large as the US, Russia, or China - but they punch way above their weight, as it were.
The Commonwealth States (UK, Canada, Australia, S. Africa) are flirting with it. India is flirting with it. The EU is flirting with it.
I think that what the new Pope should be most concerned about isn't AI - it's rising fascism. And yes, like I said before, they aren't completely different domains - fascists will surely use AI as yet another tool of control and oppression.
But the chief threat facing the world, and what every moral person and organization should be focused on, is that autocracy now rules 3 of the 4 largest economies/governments/militaries in the world: Russia, the US, and China.
Israel seems to have come under control of autocrats too, and they are a technologically advanced, nuclear state, though not nearly so large as the US, Russia, or China - but they punch way above their weight, as it were.
The Commonwealth States (UK, Canada, Australia, S. Africa) are flirting with it. India is flirting with it. The EU is flirting with it.
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The tradition starts rather late for it to be due to converted pagans. The first Pope to change his name was Mercurius, who became John II in 533, a few years after the Rule of Saint Benedict was published, establishing the monastic tradition, and 35 years after Clovis I converted from Arianism to orthodox Catholicism as King of the Franks. He was concerned about being named after a pagan god, but as far as I'm aware there's nothing about his family being pagan.
After John II, four consecutive popes used their birth names until Catelinus took over as John III (561-574). The third pope to take a papal name was almost four centuries later, John XII (Ottaviano, 955-964). It became near-universal after Gregory V (Bruno von Kärnten, 996-999), with the last Pope to not change his name being Marcellus II (Marcello Cervini degli Spannocchi, 1555 - he held office 22 days).
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