From a stream in Florida to a pet shop in Germany and on to Japan and Madagascar.
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Does the cloning actually provide any competitive advantage over non-clone crayfish, or did it just make it easier for them to escape?
Would they actually out-compete native US crayfish?
Also (potentially) less energy wasted on mating rituals. I've no idea if crayfish have any.Does the cloning actually provide any competitive advantage over non-clone crayfish, or did it just make it easier for them to escape?
Would they actually out-compete native US crayfish?
The primary advantage is that 100% of your population is producing offspring.
This allows you to recover faster from population drops. Others have pointed out the primary disadvantage.
A female is still needed to carry the embryo to term..
Once science becomes sufficiently advanced, males will become obsolete. There is hope for humanity if this is the trajectory. Most of our attempts to eliminate ourselves have been testosterone-fueled destructive instincts. An eventual all female society may result in some common sense, an end to the glorification of violence and greed, and best of all -- a chance.
I assume they all die off the first time a disease they are all vulnerable shows up. That is the problem with clones. We have the same problem with fruit trees, it just takes one bad disease to wipe all of them out.I, for one, welcome our new pinchy overlords....
Amazing range, although how mich of a threat does this pose, simply by being able to breed endlessly? Also, I'm really curious why we don't see more large animals like this. Sure, there's likely long term downsides, but is it just that thry can spread with globalisation and not wind up in a tiny area and essentially overcompete to death?
Fwiw, anyone who may think (as I did at one time) this is an obsessive detail that can only irritate Ukrainians, they should try applying it to another country such as:it's "Ukraine", without "the", when will automatic spellcheck catch up?..
• The country we're in is the Canada or the Mexico or the America.
• The country we're in is Canada or Mexico or America.
Honestly I think Canada, Mexico, and all the other countries in north and south America should be a little put out that the United States of America is constantly referred to as just America. America is 2 continents, and the USA does not own the whole thing.
They are. But the US doesn't care.
I was once annoyed at being called "American" in France, when I was *Canadian*. They pointed out America is a continent, and kept calling me American.
So you all can insult and snark pretty well, but not one actual answer as to why, if the reproduction question is answered, there needs to be anything but females in human society.
Why do we need males going forward?
Provide a reason, maybe, not just a wise-ass comment. If two females can reproduce and produce female offspring - why do we need men?
"I am one so that's why" doesn't count.
We wouldn't, at which point lesbian couples could have children together without involving some third party. But the same holds for men: gays could have biological children as well. Why would heterosexual couples jump at using these techniques?
A female is still needed to carry the embryo to term. F-F fertilization of an egg we have figured out, "growing a baby in a vat", we have not. A uterus is still necessary, and likely will be for the foreseeable future.
I still really want to hear one, just one reason, a valid one not a joke or sarcasm or an insult, as to what would be an inherent problem with, or disadvantage to, an all-female human society; and I challenge you to do so without being outright sexist (i.e., 'men are needed because women can't lift heavy things') - A real, sensible reason. I have yet to hear a single one.
Crawfish.
Crawdads.
So you all can insult and snark pretty well, but not one actual answer as to why, if the reproduction question is answered, there needs to be anything but females in human society.
Why do we need males going forward?
Provide a reason, maybe, not just a wise-ass comment. If two females can reproduce and produce female offspring - why do we need men?
"I am one so that's why" doesn't count.
We wouldn't, at which point lesbian couples could have children together without involving some third party. But the same holds for men: gays could have biological children as well. Why would heterosexual couples jump at using these techniques?
A female is still needed to carry the embryo to term. F-F fertilization of an egg we have figured out, "growing a baby in a vat", we have not. A uterus is still necessary, and likely will be for the foreseeable future.
I'm talking about female-female fertilization, not these ridiculous jumps of "cloning" or "vat-grown humans" or "androids with AI." These are things possible now, and today; not 200 years into the future.
So yes, lesbian couples could have children together without a third party; Gay male couples would require the services of a woman to carry the birth, and only one of the two could be the biological father. We cannot replicate eggs or the uterus. We can however replicate sperm (spermatids). Men are simple to emulate biologically - Women not anywhere near so.
Heterosexual couples would likely not. But there would be a slow increase in F-F female offspring and in general males would see their roles in furthering the species becoming a luxury versus a necessity. (Some heterosexual couples may actually decide to go this route as most sex-linked diseases are carried on the male side.)
This is about a slow, gradual trend to a female society, which we are already beginning to move towards socially (you're seeing the beginnings of it right now).
Humans have not 'followed the book" evolutionarily compared to a lot of other species, so looking at the past is likely not a predictor of where we're going.
I still really want to hear one, just one reason, a valid one not a joke or sarcasm or an insult, as to what would be an inherent problem with, or disadvantage to, an all-female human society; and I challenge you to do so without being outright sexist (i.e., 'men are needed because women can't lift heavy things') - A real, sensible reason. I have yet to hear a single one.
Didn't say it was good.This rapid spread may be a problem for ecologists that are trying to preserve native species, but it's fascinating for biology
So tired of scientists/journalists saying shit is good when it destroys natives in the process. By that logic all the crap that has been introduced into the Great Lakes from shipping is marvelous and everything trying to migrate from the Mississippi to the Great Lakes is spectacular as well.
So you all can insult and snark pretty well, but not one actual answer as to why, if the reproduction question is answered, there needs to be anything but females in human society.
Why do we need males going forward?
Provide a reason, maybe, not just a wise-ass comment. If two females can reproduce and produce female offspring - why do we need men?
"I am one so that's why" doesn't count.
We wouldn't, at which point lesbian couples could have children together without involving some third party. But the same holds for men: gays could have biological children as well. Why would heterosexual couples jump at using these techniques?
A female is still needed to carry the embryo to term. F-F fertilization of an egg we have figured out, "growing a baby in a vat", we have not. A uterus is still necessary, and likely will be for the foreseeable future.
Going rate in the US for a surrogate mother seems to be about $30k plus living expenses for nine months. With the donated egg and IVF and the hospitalization for the pregnancy, it gets to about $200k for a gay couple to have a child.
None of the technology you are talking about exists right now. In the lab we can fertilize mouse eggs with other mouse cells. In the lab we can also clone sheep and so on. But we aren't doing it with humans. Even IVF, which we've been doing for decades, has a very high rate of failures and complications.
I still really want to hear one, just one reason, a valid one not a joke or sarcasm or an insult, as to what would be an inherent problem with, or disadvantage to, an all-female human society; and I challenge you to do so without being outright sexist (i.e., 'men are needed because women can't lift heavy things') - A real, sensible reason. I have yet to hear a single one.
You're advocating *for* using technology to get to an all-female society, so I think the standard of proof is on you to deliver. Why is this such an advantage?
For disadvantages: Women tend to be sexually attracted to men. Having something like 80-90% of the population unable to find a suitable sexual partner might be a slight bummer. That's about the worst thing I can think of off hand.
A female is still needed to carry the embryo to term..
You are apparently nowhere near as well read on the topic as you seem to think. Try going back, oh, about 20 years, for the studies. We don't do it because it is difficult, pointless, and ethics committees are a bitch, but the tech. to implant and carry a fetus in the abdominal cavity of a male has been available for ages.
This will be a handy response for all of the "we've never observed evolution in human lifetimes" trolls.
It won't matter. They've got the goal posts mounted on wheels.
It's a virgin birth. They might end up worshiping the things.
What the species gains in the ability to reproduce sexually, it loses in its inability to diversify genetically through sexual reproduction.I, for one, welcome our new pinchy overlords....
Amazing range, although how mich of a threat does this pose, simply by being able to breed endlessly? Also, I'm really curious why we don't see more large animals like this. Sure, there's likely long term downsides, but is it just that thry can spread with globalisation and not wind up in a tiny area and essentially overcompete to death?
Ars is not as civilized or enlightened as you think. People will be people, whether they believe in religion or in science. One might be objectively more correct, but neither will make people any *better*.This will be a handy response for all of the "we've never observed evolution in human lifetimes" trolls.
It won't matter. They've got the goal posts mounted on wheels.
It's a virgin birth. They might end up worshiping the things.
It is not necessary to be disrespectful of religion in order to support science. I fail to see how insulting people and their beliefs will help the cause of science. In fact, it leads readers to an easy logical fallacy that studying science makes one a mean, bitter, nasty secularist.
Or to be more succinct, you catch more with honey than vinegar.
Well, without men around, who is going to open all the stubborn pickle jars?- give me one real sound rationale that males of the species need to continue?
It is not necessary to be disrespectful of religion in order to support science. I fail to see how insulting people and their beliefs will help the cause of science.
Sigh no. Religions are belief-systems, which started out as tools for social cohesion, and remain (much less important) tools for social cohesion. As with most things, they're not good or bad, they just are. And people need belief systems because that's part of (most) people's psyche, because the concept that we're slightly better organized lumps of protein that are here for a blink of an eye and don't really mean much, is generally not conducive to mental health.It is not necessary to be disrespectful of religion in order to support science. I fail to see how insulting people and their beliefs will help the cause of science.
Religions are mind viruses, that need to be eradicated.
Don't forget Astacus astacus, the species used in traditional French and European cuisine.P. clarkii, the Red Swamp Crayfish, is about the only good eatin' and tend to be larger.
It's been done already, see the results...Could we send it to Mars?
I think it is safe to assume that they rarely survive the boil though.I was trying to find the low / high temperature range for this crayfish. I didn't find it.
I don't think it needed a comparison with other countries or how Ukrainians feel about it, it's just that the standard English language usage for this country is Ukraine, not the Ukraine. The only time you would use "the" is to refer to a specific context, like in the Ukraine of Leonid Brezhnev, or the Ukraine of 1800.Fwiw, anyone who may think (as I did at one time) this is an obsessive detail that can only irritate Ukrainians, they should try applying it to another country such as:it's "Ukraine", without "the", when will automatic spellcheck catch up?..
• The country we're in is the Canada or the Mexico or the America.
• The country we're in is Canada or Mexico or America.
Honestly I think Canada, Mexico, and all the other countries in north and south America should be a little put out that the United States of America is constantly referred to as just America. America is 2 continents, and the USA does not own the whole thing.
Uh–oh. Sadly, it looks like I may have unintentionally started something dragging myself into a misunderstanding with a comment that may have been a little too brief.
I did know about "The" existing for some countries but was pointing out how Ukrainians felt with analogies to other countries not having the article "the" in the use of their names.
When I used the unofficial name America, being aware of its status as unofficial, I considered qualifying it but decided against it—for better or worse—as it's not germain to the point of the post.
However, I should point out that the western hemisphere, referred to as the Americas in other parts of the world, has two continents named: "North America" and "South America"; not America. Also, "The United States of America" originally referred to by outsiders as a plural and using the shorthand term for both continents, "The United States of the Americas" is (I think) the only country in the western hemisphere with "America" in its name.
If there aren't any unexpected flaws in that explanation, using the shorthand name "America" should be reasonably acceptable without other countries finding it to be an offense; or, to avoid this problem, "The U.S.", is another shorthand that can be used, as previously mentioned in another comment.
The only time you would use "the" is to refer to a specific context, like in the Ukraine of Leonid Brezhnev, or the Ukraine of 1800.
By the way, about the USA and America, a recent trend developed in French: Instead of calling their inhabitants Americans ("Américains"), which is too vague in some context but mostly usurps the right of other American countries, they're called USians ("États-Uniens"), a word first used in Quebec in the 1930s. The first time I heard it was on French national radio about 30 years ago, and everybody immediately understood why it was used and so much more appropriate and PC for other American countries. A small innocent jab at American pride and hegemony, or a willful stab for the more revengeful and bitter anti-Americans...
That ignores etymology.Fwiw, anyone who may think (as I did at one time) this is an obsessive detail that can only irritate Ukrainians, they should try applying it to another country such as:it's "Ukraine", without "the", when will automatic spellcheck catch up?..
• The country we're in is the Canada or the Mexico or the America.
• The country we're in is Canada or Mexico or America.
Good write-up from the BBC:
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-18233844
Edit: Example of countries still with "the":
- The Philippines
- The Bahamas
- The Netherlands
Etc.
I assume they all die off the first time a disease they are all vulnerable shows up. That is the problem with clones. We have the same problem with fruit trees, it just takes one bad disease to wipe all of them out.I, for one, welcome our new pinchy overlords....
Amazing range, although how mich of a threat does this pose, simply by being able to breed endlessly? Also, I'm really curious why we don't see more large animals like this. Sure, there's likely long term downsides, but is it just that thry can spread with globalisation and not wind up in a tiny area and essentially overcompete to death?
I don't think that this applies to these crayfish(certainly better if it doesn't); but you can combine the benefits of clonal reproduction with the benefits of frequent genetic reshuffling.
It's one of the big tricks to being a bacterium: asexual cell division allows you to reproduce absurdly fast as long as resources are available; while horizontal gene transfer via plasmids allows for something sort of like 'inheritance' without the inconvenience of having to have the right parents, or parents at all.
I'm not sure how much, if any, horizontal gene transfer is exploited by any larger organisms. There is some, typically undesired and unintended, sloshing around courtesy of viruses; but if that has turned into a plasmid-level strategy anywhere I've never heard about it(but if you have, do tell).
That ignores etymology.Fwiw, anyone who may think (as I did at one time) this is an obsessive detail that can only irritate Ukrainians, they should try applying it to another country such as:it's "Ukraine", without "the", when will automatic spellcheck catch up?..
• The country we're in is the Canada or the Mexico or the America.
• The country we're in is Canada or Mexico or America.
Good write-up from the BBC:
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-18233844
Edit: Example of countries still with "the":
- The Philippines
- The Bahamas
- The Netherlands
Etc.
Note all of those are plural. Ukraine is the only non-plural country I can think of that still has the article in English. Note however that this is different in other languages. In German for instance Switzerland, Turkey, Ukraine and several other countries are both singular and have a definite article (fun fact: Switzerland is apparently a feminine country)
Does the cloning actually provide any competitive advantage over non-clone crayfish, or did it just make it easier for them to escape?
Would they actually out-compete native US crayfish?
Fwiw, anyone who may think (as I did at one time) this is an obsessive detail that can only irritate Ukrainians, they should try applying it to another country such as:it's "Ukraine", without "the", when will automatic spellcheck catch up?..
• The country we're in is the Canada or the Mexico or the America.
• The country we're in is Canada or Mexico or America.
Honestly I think Canada, Mexico, and all the other countries in north and south America should be a little put out that the United States of America is constantly referred to as just America. America is 2 continents, and the USA does not own the whole thing.
But they're so cute!What I really don't understand after reading this article: who the f*** keeps a crayfish as a pet? I have seen lots of aquariums in people's home and if I ever saw a crayfish in one I would get out ASAP and call the police to avoid being trapped in that person's dungeon.