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[Diabolical]

In a desperate heave to try and find the original topic somewhere, I present:

Pam Bondi is upset that Governor Sherrill has signed an executive order banning ICE from certain state property in New Jersey.
https://www.politico.com/news/2026/02/24/trump-new-jersey-lawsuit-ice-ban-00794690

Sherrill, a Democrat who won the November election in a landslide, issued Executive Order 12 this month, which bars immigration authorities from non-public parts of state-owned property unless they have a judicial warrant. It also prohibits them from using state property as a “staging area, processing location, or operations base.”

The DOJ says this goes against the Supremacy Clause.

The New Jersey AG is already prepping yo fight this out in court.

 

[papadage]

But as our local wingnuts love to say on the socials, "you know she flew a helicopter."

I will give the right-wing machine some credit; they pick a message and run with it. Even shitheads I know who voted for Trump and were all pro-MAGA, but have lately soured on the virulence and brutality of ICE and CBP (mostly because it hits their supply of labor), have latched onto that messaging.

 

[Ecmaster76]

Ryan Schwank, a former ICE trainer quit on Feb 13th and testified to Congress on this last Monday. I encourage you all to read the article but some select quotes...

Specifically regarding that first quote

Remember qualified immunity. If they don't know it's wrong you can't sue them. Quite the perverse incentive for training standards...

 

[Wheels Of Confusion]

A lawsuit has been filed including the woman who was told she was being listed as a "domestic terrorist" for recording ICE from her car.
https://www.npr.org/2026/02/23/nx-s1-5722988/dhs-lawsuit-biometrics-domestic-terrorism

Last month, Colleen Fagan was observing an immigration enforcement operation at an apartment complex in Portland, Maine, when federal agents scanned her face with a smartphone and appeared to record her car license plate number.
In a social media video she recorded, Fagan can be heard asking why the agent was taking her information. What the agent said next made the video go viral.
"Cause we have a nice little database," the masked agent said. "And now you're considered a domestic terrorist."
Fagan, who is a social worker, has now joined a federal class action lawsuit that argues the Department of Homeland Security and a number of its sub-agencies are violating the First Amendment and are taking actions "designed to chill, suppress, and control speech that they do not like."
"A federal agent called me a domestic terrorist just because I recorded agents operating in public in my community. But I have a right to do that, and so do others," Fagan said in a statement. "I want people to know how important it is to use our First Amendment rights to observe and document what is happening. Peaceful dissent is not a crime."
[...]
At a congressional hearing earlier this month, U.S. Rep. Lou Correa (D-Calif.) asked Todd Lyons, acting director for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, to respond to what the federal agent in Maine said about "a little database" in the video Fagan recorded.
"I can't speak for that individual, sir," Lyons said. "But I can assure you that there is no database that's tracking United States citizens."
The lawsuit says, "If Defendants' denials are true—and the actions captured on video simply involved federal agents pretending to add observers to a database—then they are deliberately lying about domestic terrorist watchlists or databases to unlawfully intimidate observers."
The lawsuit is asking a federal judge to stop DHS from collecting records on people and from "threatening, harassing, and otherwise retaliating against" them for exercising their protected first amendment rights, and to expunge records that have already been collected.

Trump's DHS ghouls have essentially said that posting videos of ICE online is illegal and violent:

Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem said at a press conference in July that violence against DHS agents "is anything that threatens them and their safety," and went on to say that included "doxing them" and "videotaping them where they're at when they're out on operations."
DHS has crafted a wide definition of doxing. The department's then-spokesperson, Tricia McLaughlin, told The American Prospect in September that "videotaping ICE law enforcement and posting photos and videos of them online is doxing our agents."

 

[Diabolical]

A lawsuit has been filed including the woman who was told she was being listed as a "domestic terrorist" for recording ICE from her car.
https://www.npr.org/2026/02/23/nx-s1-5722988/dhs-lawsuit-biometrics-domestic-terrorism

For those that are curious (as I was), what are the aims of the lawsuit?
From the NPR article:

The lawsuit says, "If Defendants' denials are true—and the actions captured on video simply involved federal agents pretending to add observers to a database—then they are deliberately lying about domestic terrorist watchlists or databases to unlawfully intimidate observers."

The lawsuit is asking a federal judge to stop DHS from collecting records on people and from "threatening, harassing, and otherwise retaliating against" them for exercising their protected first amendment rights, and to expunge records that have already been collected.

Several individuals are involved in the suit, and it's being pursued by non-profit Defend Democracy, and law firms Dunn Isaacson Rhee and Drummond Woodsum.

I wish them the best of luck.

 

[wrylachlan]

For those that are curious (as I was), what are the aims of the lawsuit?
From the NPR article:


Several individuals are involved in the suit, and it's being pursued by non-profit Defend Democracy, and law firms Dunn Isaacson Rhee and Drummond Woodsum.

I wish them the best of luck.

The intimidation/suppression of free speech angle is inspired. With that in the mix either adding people to a watchlist OR pretending to is actionable. Discovery is going to be very interesting.

 

[Wheels Of Confusion]

It's especially galling because we've been told it's not really possible to have a "domestic terrorist" list because of the first amendment when applied to actual terrorists, like the KKK.
This came up last year when it was "people don't like Charlie Kirk!"
https://www.npr.org/2025/09/19/nx-s1-5545764/trump-antifa-domestic-terrorist-organization

 

[papadage]

Interesting article at New Republic about ICE stockpiling military-style weapons like long guns, pistols, and supposedly less lethal weapons, including a new Geissele Border Patrol rifle with more tacticool rails to mount all the nutty extra stuff CBP and ICE agents seem to love.

The procurements, at $144M, more than double last year's procurement and indicate the arming of a heavily militarized domestic police force being filled with backwardly trained zealots.

https://newrepublic.com/article/206994/ice-stockpiling-military-weaponry-trump-forever-war

 

[Gizmoh]

Interesting article at New Republic about ICE stockpiling military-style weapons like long guns, pistols, and supposedly less lethal weapons, including a new Geissele Border Patrol rifle with more tacticool rails to mount all the nutty extra stuff CBP and ICE agents seem to love.

The procurements, at $144M, more than double last year's procurement and indicate the arming of a heavily militarized domestic police force being filled with backwardly trained zealots.

https://newrepublic.com/article/206994/ice-stockpiling-military-weaponry-trump-forever-war

There's absolutely no way this goes wrong at all!

 

[papadage]

How about this one:

An almost completely blind Rohingya refugee was picked up by ICE after he was arrested when he got lost while walking, and when he was bailed out, he was dropped off across town from where he lives in Buffalo, NY, in the winter, and died.

The fucking sheriff's office tipped off ICE after he was arrested. I am so fucking disgusted.

https://www.investigativepost.org/2026/02/25/blind-refugee-abandoned-by-border-patrol-is-dead/

 

[Welcome to Darwin]

There's absolutely no way this goes wrong at all!

Somehow it'll be Democrats' fault when one of these idiots shoots themself in the face.

 

[Thank You and Best of Luck!]

How about this one:

An almost completely blind Rohingya refugee was picked up by ICE after he was arrested when he got lost while walking, and when he was bailed out, he was dropped off across town from where he lives in Buffalo, NY, in the winter, and died.

The fucking sheriff's office tipped off ICE after he was arrested. I am so fucking disgusted.

https://www.investigativepost.org/2026/02/25/blind-refugee-abandoned-by-border-patrol-is-dead/

I’d like to see Nuremberg 2.0 and to treat these as high-crimes all-around and up & down, but I’m pretty sure we’re going to end up with the opposite of that, i.e. letting bygones be bygones with a hefty dose of pardons.

 

[Diabolical]

I’d like to see Nuremberg 2.0 and to treat these as high-crimes all-around and up & down, but I’m pretty sure we’re going to end up with the opposite of that, i.e. letting bygones be bygones with a hefty dose of pardons.

To be honest, for the VAST majority of people involved? The bygones and the pardons? This is fair description of both Nuremberg and the matching court in Japan after World War 2.

We want revamped idealized versions following this <waves outside, all around>. A repeat of Nuremberg wouldn’t be enough; too many folks were found to not be prominent enough (or other such malarkey) to bring to trial.

 

[SteveS]

There's absolutely no way this goes wrong at all!

It seems like it will go exactly as intended.

 

[LTParis]

Sadly it seems that MSM is really not focusing much on ICE lately but word on the street in Minnesota, Oregon, and some other places is that they are still very much there, very much the same tactics, but now voices are heavily suppressed. I know on TT I have to actively look for creators I know in their respective areas and check out their feed.

 

[Wheels Of Confusion]

Sadly it seems that MSM is really not focusing much on ICE lately but word on the street in Minnesota, Oregon, and some other places is that they are still very much there, very much the same tactics, but now voices are heavily suppressed.

This is the aim of all those vicious arrests of people whose crime is "filming ICE."

 

[Diabolical]

Sadly it seems that MSM is really not focusing much

.... what?

Edit before posting: - ah, got this one - Main Stream Media. Got it.

I know on TT I have to actively look

.... What? I can't even figure that one out from the context clues.

 

[AbidingArs]

I know on TT I have to actively look

.... What? I can't even figure that one out from the context clues.

I believe it means TikTok.

 

[Diabolical]

Yep, the post makes sense now.
Thanks.

 

[AverageDutchGuy]

How about this one:

An almost completely blind Rohingya refugee was picked up by ICE after he was arrested when he got lost while walking, and when he was bailed out, he was dropped off across town from where he lives in Buffalo, NY, in the winter, and died.

The fucking sheriff's office tipped off ICE after he was arrested. I am so fucking disgusted.

https://www.investigativepost.org/2026/02/25/blind-refugee-abandoned-by-border-patrol-is-dead/

... that's just slavery manslaughter if not murder with extra steps

 

[Gizmoh]

... that's just slavery manslaughter if not murder with extra steps

The old baron harkonnen trick, "I'm not hurting them, I'm setting them free, what happens afterward is no concern of mine"

This is sick, evil, like that man they caught in Minnesota and then released in Texas, no papers, no money, nothing.

 

[Thegn]

Reminds me of the Starlight Tours…

 

[BrangdonJ]

This is the aim of all those vicious arrests of people whose crime is "filming ICE."

Also the aim of putting TikTok under American control. It now suppressed content that the US government doesn't like. (Allegedly. I've not researched this myself.)

 

[zenparadox]

Sadly it seems that MSM is really not focusing much on ICE lately but word on the street in Minnesota, Oregon, and some other places is that they are still very much there, very much the same tactics, but now voices are heavily suppressed. I know on TT I have to actively look for creators I know in their respective areas and check out their feed.

media baron's fingers on the scale; the parasite class don't want change.

 

[Technarch]

Judge gives 'explicit notice to all officials' that continued illegal ICE detentions will result in contempt and sanctions 'without qualified immunity'

Only took an entire year. If it actually happens.

 

[Welcome to Darwin]

Judge gives 'explicit notice to all officials' that continued illegal ICE detentions will result in contempt and sanctions 'without qualified immunity'

Only took an entire year. If it actually happens.

Now we just wait for the 5-4 decision from SCOTUS that if the orders come from the President, they're inherently legal.

 

[Wheels Of Confusion]

Judge gives 'explicit notice to all officials' that continued illegal ICE detentions will result in contempt and sanctions 'without qualified immunity'

Only took an entire year. If it actually happens.

The article mentioned that there were other judges in WV getting similarly frustrated with the willful, repetitious violation of their orders.
This one is worth reading too: https://www.wvsd.uscourts.gov/content/danny-briceno-solano-v-christopher-mason-et-al

The law is clear: all persons present within our country are entitled to due process. The plain text of our Constitution says this explicitly.

Due process can mean various things to different people. To the ignorant, it may be a totally unfamiliar term with no meaning. To those who know little more than what it took to pass high school civics (such as it’s been in recent years), it may be a term vaguely associated with government, also with little meaning. To informed nonlawyers it is better understood but still an abstraction. To lawyers and judges, it is a bedrock principle of our Constitution, nation, and freedoms, yet we nonetheless often treat it with clinical detachment. However, for a person deprived of their liberty without due process, it can be the most important thing in their life, and its denial the worst that has ever happened to them. Everyone is entitled to due process, but, unfortunately, not everyone has received it.

Why should we care about other people not getting due process? We are all ultimately the government—its authority is derived from “we the people,” and it is accountable to us for its conduct. Thus, when it deprives a person of due process, we are, in a very real sense, all responsible. What, then, has become of “[d]o to others as you would have them do to you”?

Putting this in more immediate terms, due process requires adequate notice and a meaningful hearing to determine whether a seizure is legally correct and based on accurate facts. If the government may simply seize someone without due process, there is no check on its ability to seize anyone.

One might say, “I don’t care because that only happens to THOSE people.” Perhaps. But what if someone here legally, or even a United States citizen, is afforded no due process after being seized by mistake? Or by a choice?

Fortunately, our Constitution demands more, including the rule of law, as opposed to the rule of unchecked executive fiat.

At a very basic level, it is obviously true that laws consist of words, and, therefore, words matter. They have meaning, which in the context of the law, ensures predictability, stability, and fairness in application. Consequently, the meaning of words in statutes does not and cannot change to justify the “unenacted will” of the government to unlawfully detain individuals without due process. For this reason, which is discussed more fully below, the pending Petition for Writ of Habeas Corpus, (ECF No. 1), is GRANTED.

Now we just wait for the 5-4 decision from SCOTUS that if the orders come from the President, they're inherently legal.

Something something "District courts don't have authority to second-guess the Executive."

 

[Welcome to Darwin]

Enshrining "just following orders" as granting immunity from all laws to the person following the orders if the person issuing them has been granted total immunity from prosecution.

 

[Scifigod]

In a hearing today Sen Tillis went point by brutal point detailing how exactly Sec Noem has failed both her mission, her department, and the American people. Calling for her resignation and vowing at the end to hold up both any nominations and deny quorum of he doesn't get sufficient answers to an office of inspector general report.

I don't think it'll end up with her resignation because frankly I don't think she gives a damn. Her boss certainly doesn't.

See the recording of the hearing here:

View: https://youtu.be/ys-0r6sHV8M

 

[karolus]

It should also be noted that he's not running for reelection, so part of why he's being this forceful. It's the MO of Republicans making stands like this. Other examples are Jeff Flake and Ben Sasse. Easy to stand up when there's no skin in the game to risk.

 

[Lt_Storm]

And, it's somewhat overdue, but, here's your reminder that DHS is just murdering people, in this case, a blind refugee abandoned in front of a closed Tim Hortons coffee shop on a freezing night. Five days later, he was found, near KeyBank Center, dead. Of course, DHS is telling a pack of lies about how this happened. The agents, of course, 'did nothing wrong'.

 

[papadage]

And, it's somewhat overdue, but, here's your reminder that DHS is just murdering people, in this case, a blind refugee abandoned in front of a closed Tim Hortons coffee shop on a freezing night. Five days later, he was found, near KeyBank Center, dead. Of course, DHS is telling a pack of lies about how this happened. The agents, of course, 'did nothing wrong'.

I posted about that last week.

But I recently found out that the CBP and ICE in MN have been dropping people off in the woods with no shoes, no wallets, ID, or phones, and leaving them to die from exposure.

This is a pattern or behavior well known in the upper Midwest and even in Canada as Starlight Tours.


View: https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesota/comments/1qhpsg8/minnesota_echoes_of_the_deadly_starlight_tours/

 

[Megalodon]

But I recently found out that the CBP and ICE in MN have been dropping people off in the woods with no shoes, no wallets, ID, or phones, and leaving them to die from exposure.

Yes, there are volunteer patrols to find the people.

 

[Matisaro]

Yes, there are volunteer patrols to find the people.

Should be groups of citizens patrolling to catch them in the act of dropping people off to deal with it if you ask me. Arrest every last fucking one of them.

 

[Wheels Of Confusion]

Should be groups of citizens patrolling to catch them in the act of dropping people off to deal with it if you ask me. Arrest every last fucking one of them.

That's exactly what will happen. "Arrest every last one of those terrorist volunteers!"

 

[wco81]

WSJ analyzed several cases of citizens allegedly attacking or interfering with ICE. In many cases, official tweets accused them of criminal acts and the DOJ tried to press charges against them. Most or all of them were dismissed or downgraded to minor misdemeanors, because there's video evidence contradicting the lying ICE agent accounts.

Read in The Wall Street Journal: https://apple.news/A5dU4Z7DEQIKC8wohZQR7YA

 

[Deleted member 28951]

I really wonder what Noem's expiration date in this admin is going to be. I would have thought she'd have racked up enough negative press by now to get the boot. I guess that means She's apparently a good enough attack dog that she hasn't had to take herself out back yet.

Well, Trump fired her <3 weeks after your post above. So you weren't wrong.

 

[poochyena]

Well, Trump fired her <3 weeks after your post above. So you weren't wrong.

How many Scaramucci did she last?

 

[CPX]

How many Scaramucci did she last?

One Mooch is 11 days. A year's 33 of them, so my SWAG is just under 40?

 

[Wheels Of Confusion]

https://www.opb.org/article/2026/03...-crowd-control-devices-portland-ice-building/

A federal judge in Oregon ruled Monday that he would continue to strictly limit federal law enforcement’s use of tear gas and other crowd control weapons on protesters outside the Immigration and Customs Enforcement building in Portland.
“In a well-functioning constitutional democratic republic, free speech, courageous newsgathering, and nonviolent protest are all permitted, respected, and even celebrated. In an authoritarian regime, that is not the case,” U.S. District Court Judge Michael Simon wrote. “Indeed, a democracy is only as strong as its tolerance for dissent.”
[...]
The judge’s ruling also grants preliminary class certification, meaning the decision applies to all nonviolent protesters and journalists outside the Portland ICE building.
[...]
The decision comes after a three-day hearing in Portland last week, where protesters testified about instances where they were hit with crowd control munitions while nonviolently protesting or engaged in what they described as passive resistance.
On Friday, another federal judge in Oregon issued a separate injunction in a different case involving tenants in an apartment complex near the ICE building. That order similarly limits officers’ use of chemical munitions, except in cases where officers fear for their lives.
Some of the more shocking testimony in the case before Judge Simon came from depositions of the federal officers sent to protect the Portland ICE building. In the sworn interviews played in court, Department of Homeland Security officers demonstrated a lack of understanding about the First Amendment, passive resistance, crowd control tactics and their own agency’s use of force policies.

Yes, I'm sure that must have made for "shocking testimony."