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Saw a video on this. Not sure on the implications of closing embassies/consulates are as I'm sure they're needed for citizens of those countries living in the US. So I struggle to say it'd be nice if they all just closed up. But if there's anything they can do to put pressure on the US for being colossal asshats with ice... man I think we'd appreciate it.
@Coppercloud they do provide very important services, one among them is issuing passports to their citizens when theirs expire.
Question:
Do you want to be angry about this, or do you want some context?
The former is fine and fully justified! And as you noted in a later post, the vast majority of Democratic senators (including Senator Murray) are on the side of not funding the DHS at all right now. At least that is what they are saying in public, for all that means. I wouldn't want to put money on it, for instance.
Or perhaps some context? Mostly because going over this more than once and in more detail is, frankly, exhausting - not your fault, but I've had this same conversation a couple of times in real life in the past day or so. But there are some things to her original statements that make more sense once you dig into it.
- ICE will remain operational in the event of a shutdown - you can guarantee they'll be made excepted and be "required" to work for "national security" reasons/*/. They were last time, and they will this time.
- They will have some funding anyway from the OBBBA reconciliation package; critically, for EXACTLY the kind of shit they have been doing.
- Even now, while they still have funding from the previous CR? They are finding ways to "use" OBBBA provided funds to enact some new bookmaking fuckery (latest example is by "using OBBBA funds" to prevent Democrats from visiting ICE facilities, circumventing a court injunction because that injunction is in reference to a rule put in place with appropriations law that doesn't address the existence of OBBBA funds because... Yep, they didn't exist at the time! Damn, this crap from the Administration is just eye-rollingly
stupid(edit: not the right word, but I can't think of one that fits right now) sometimes). - In the event of a lapse in funding or a CR, ICE will continue to operate in the exact same way it is acting now unless language is inserted to change that - good luck getting that passed.
- The only way to Congressionally curtail actions is by passing a new appropriations package (which the new one specifically addresses controls on those same OBBBA funds) or specific laws making adjustments to Title 6 of US Code. Appropriations law is much, MUCH more likely to pass than changing the Homeland Authorization Act of 2002.
- To put it simply; no new appropriations package? No changes in ICE operations, at least in the relatively short term.
- The new package (the one passed by the House largely on party lines) did add some new constraints and limits. Are these limits necessary? Shit yes they are! Are they enough? Fuck no, they are not! What's even worse is what little oversight exists to ICE now? Is cut in the new bill! So how Congress would ensure/verify that instructions/restrictions are being followed is an even more open question than it already is.
/*/Shit, so will I. So will a bunch of other people that have nothing to do with them.
Hmm, but does it matter that the shutdown would affect ICE's ability to operate directly?
Don't you think by exerting financial pressure in other areas that it can become a negotiable item?
If nothing else, it should people that there is resistance in every way that there can be resistance. Effective or otherwise.
Don't you think by exerting financial pressure in other areas that it can become a negotiable item?
If nothing else, it should people that there is resistance in every way that there can be resistance. Effective or otherwise.
Wow….
https://edition.cnn.com/2026/01/27/politics/stephen-miller-alex-pretti-trump
From the article:
never thought they’d go this close to admitting wrongdoing….
https://edition.cnn.com/2026/01/27/politics/stephen-miller-alex-pretti-trump
From the article:
never thought they’d go this close to admitting wrongdoing….
I think they've realized that a) killing American citizens on the street is something that pretty much everybody who isn't a red-hat wearer hates and b) they're trying really hard to toss chaff out there to prevent Dem Senators from holding up the remaining appropriations until substantive DHS/ICE controls are included in the appropriations bills.
Killing white American citizens.
Specifically killing armed white male American citizens.
Renee Good's murder didn't spark this kind of pushback, and plenty of people joined in the Trumpist narrative about her using her car as a weapon by trying to drive away.
Yeah this also confuses me. It’s not a competition, they were IMHO both summarly executed / murdered. But the white woman still got less outrage than the white concealed carry man.
We should repeat Trump’s “you can’t have guns” constantly all the time.
its this. It wasn't until a white woman and white man got murdered by ICE that there was any of that kind of push back. ICE murdered an undocumented man, Silverio Villegas-Gonzalez in Chicago in a very similar situation to Renee Goods murder this past summer and no one seems to remember that now. I do remember since I am constantly reminded of that by the roadside memorial that i drive past every morning on my way to work since that happed 1 block from my house.
Or point to his statements from the first administration:
https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...the-guns-first-go-through-due-process-second/
It's difficult to keep your White Power supporters on board when you're killing white people on the streets. You can see they attempted to get away with it by painting both Good & Pretti in as negative a light as possible, but apparently it didn't work (this time).
So we'll get some walk backs and some fall guys, and probably an unofficial directive to be a little more careful with white people in the future, but little else will change.
So we'll get some walk backs and some fall guys, and probably an unofficial directive to be a little more careful with white people in the future, but little else will change.
The genuine White Power supporters also genuinely support killing race traitors and deviants, which is anyone protesting their ethnic cleansing campaign.
It's the soft white power supporters who are now confused about exactly what kind of project they signed on with.
Isn't that redundant for these turds?
The only american citizens are white to these chucklefucks.
Because Pretti was murdered carrying a concealed gun. Their whole lives they've been taught that the gubmint is coming to take them away, any day now, so it's something they think could actually affect them. They're neither immigrants nor lesbians so who cares what happens to those people?
It's not so much admitting wrongdoing as making sure the narrative is sound to throw a few CBP officers under the bus. Miller would never admit that his policies were a direct cause of these murders, it was that the unruly mob didn't understand his brilliance and failed him.
This is just Miller throwing his goons under the bus, though not really unless he hands the shooters over to the MPD.
I agree, but it is still a change from “absolute immunity” to this. Even if it’s throwing underlings under the bus, the perception of someone being shot in the back and the administration shouting “domestic terrorist brandishing guns” live on tv while the video clearly shows a different reality, is still a rollback, a chink in the armor and a humiliation IMHO.
In the end, let’s not forget people died totally needlessly.
.If they're smart they'll throw a couple of people under the bus.
Exiling Bovino immediately shifted the tone to how things are improving, despite that not being reflected by reality.
The media wants nothing more than to claim a scalp of Miller or Noem, declare THE POWER OF THE FOURTH ESTATE HAS SOLVED THE PROBLEM YET AGAIN, give each other a nice handie, and then go back to DC/NYC and pretend Minneapolis is a fictional setting again.
Scratch that, if it was a fictional setting they would care more. I would wager they have more desire to write about Westeros than Minneapolis.
Exiling Bovino immediately shifted the tone to how things are improving, despite that not being reflected by reality.
The media wants nothing more than to claim a scalp of Miller or Noem, declare THE POWER OF THE FOURTH ESTATE HAS SOLVED THE PROBLEM YET AGAIN, give each other a nice handie, and then go back to DC/NYC and pretend Minneapolis is a fictional setting again.
Scratch that, if it was a fictional setting they would care more. I would wager they have more desire to write about Westeros than Minneapolis.
Worse than just throwing a few people under the bus and declaring there has been much change while not actually changing anything is moving from the inner city to the burbs and greater MN where the population density is lower and people are less able to get out in larger numbers in neighborhoods so there is less monitoring, then claiming that they've reduced activity when they've just spread it out.
Ish. No matter how much Holman says “stay the course”, the other ICE goons will see their peers getting thrown under the bus and that will have some amount of restraining effect. So while I don’t expect the rampant profiling, dragging people out of their houses and other general shitbaggery to change, I would expect the average ICE officer to be a bit less hair-triggery.
And of course if I’m wrong and there’s another high profile killing of an innocent American AFTER the leadership of the Minneapolis push is changed, then I think the story gets that much stronger that it’s not an issue of leadership so much as the whole thing is a quagmire.
The problem for them is that it’s harder to hit your quota when you’re in less population dense areas. And if you thought independents and (some) Republicans were repulsed by Americans killed in a city, wait till you hear the uproar if ICE kills someone in the suburbs!
If I am reading the article right, he is saying that issue is they didn't wait for backup to separate the protestors from the operations.
I see Schumer has talked himself down to not even asking that the agency follow its own rules and the US constitution.
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Would really love to hear democrats, or anyone, explain why they think the existence of ICE is necessary.
In 2006 the British Army created an analysis of Operation Banner, the deployment to Northern Ireland in support of local police forces during the Troubles. For whatever reason many stories of police and other law enforcement shootings from the US, especially when this and this or that and that officer felt threatened enough to shoot despite further review questioning the necessity, remind me of the following section of the review:
The problem isn't Ecuador; or, at least, not Ecuador alone.
Countries tend to really dislike violations of inviolability of consular premises under the Vienna Convention. Some countries host US embassies that don't like the intelligence gathering that is based out of them, or don't like the US as a matter of general principle, or both. However they all put up with it and respect the inviolability of US consulates because in return they get to do the same shit in the US, with the US playing along.
However, should the US decide to no longer want to honor this convention ... well, why should they continue to put up with the shit the US embassies and consulates do in their own countries?
It is hard to see what could be found inside that consulate that could ever be worth that risk to US intelligence gathering.
Yeah but the brits have their stiff upper lip to hold them together, ICE goons are threatened by a cellphone, imagine what seeing a gun did to them.
There is only 2 ways of dealing with a bully. You punch the bully or you make the bully the butt of everyone's jokes.
We do not have the capacity to punch our bully so jokes will have to do while we train with mr miyagi.
They might be an exception, but UK passports are renewed online and processed in the UK rather than using the local Embassy/consulate.
I'm not even sure if the embassy in DC would do anything to help replace a lost passport or get an emergency travel document other than refer you to the website.
I am sure they have billed out the air travel to some "ally" of the admin too, run up a huge bill moving them place to place.
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My father-in-law recently went to the consulate in Seattle to have his expiring passport renewed, since his country of citizenship does not renew passports online. We also registered the birth of our daughters there so they would have dual citizenship. It is very helpful having the consulate nearby.
The thing is the you actually have to be good at it and come at them from a perspective that matters to them. If Harris does it, it doesn't matter because she's not inculcated in the online culture they've all been brewing in. But when SomethingAwful-veteran god-tier shitposters do it it hits them where it hurts, particularly when the memes are successful enough to go viral on multiple platforms.
They wouldn't be ransacking people's phones in customs for JD Vance memes and banning people from the country if it didn't matter to them.
I think it’s important to consider the fact that we are winning this war. I’m a pessimist by trade but every single thing I’m reading is that Trump and his goons are in retreat. Is the war over? Unfortunately not even close however this should give people hope that despite the fact that the casualties have been on our side, they are in retreat. At this juncture at least standing up to ICE
is possible.
I realize this is from fiction and make fun of me if you want but to me it resonates.
Always remember that we are dealing with brittle cowards.
is possible.
I realize this is from fiction and make fun of me if you want but to me it resonates.
Always remember that we are dealing with brittle cowards.
The only thing I'm not optimistic about right now is that Dems, particularly Senate Dems, are scrambling to reach some sort of accommodation with the regime that avoids real reforms.