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[Matisaro]

The vote was 220-207. So 7 democrats switching to 'no' would have meant failing, 213-214.

The GOP has the majority, if those democrats had voted no they simply would not have held the vote until the remaining 3 republicans would be available to pass it.

I am as sick and tired of the feckless democrat leadership as the rest of us but we do ourselves a disservice when we invent nebulous cabals of secret traitor democrats taking turns fucking us.

the truth is much more simple, we have an extremely close minority which gives a few assholes oversized power on occasion which they use to make their personal elections easier (they are wrong on that calculus but they think they have reddish voters).

 

[Matisaro]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGr-yWEu0hc


Legal Eagle has a great video about that and explains how preventing unwarranted home searches are literally the core of the 4th ammendment.

 

[cmannes]

Some livestreams of minneapolis.


Mercado Media -
View: https://www.youtube.com/live/3IF4gvVIxtg?si=v_UhYaZ164vkRkro


Meidas Touch -
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOfRXTaWHfU


Break Through News -
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu3fVt6GLQ0


Mercado is setup on a corner filming the people going by. They just never seem to stop. Amazing turn out.

 

[Lt_Storm]

What's this 'strike' supposed to accomplish?

Inconvenience. The purpose of the strike, all resistance really, is to maximize the inconveniences experienced by those who do the will of the regime. The goal is to make their jobs harder and more tiring than they are able to make the lives of those they would oppress. Because, when everyone's life is maximally inconvenient, people start to think "maybe we should be doing something different". And that's what causes change to stop happening slowly but suddenly happen all at once.

Solidarity. Widespread acknowledgement that what's going on is wrong, which itself also serves as irrefutable proof against false media & conservative narratives.

This too. Which is why, whatever you do, you should try to do it with someone else.

I can connect the dots between the incentives, influences, impediments, and the outcome of a change in the opponents’ behaviors.

Can you? I mean, ultimately, Trump is where he is because the oligarchs find him being there to not cause too many problems they care about. But, at the end of the day, they care about money. This strike is a direct attack on that. The idea is that, Trumps action's lead rich people's pocket books to suffer, then they will start to find Trump inconvenient. Which, again, is what all resistance is ultimately about. Creating situations where people have reasons to think that maybe something should be done differently. Which is always a product of prolonged inconvenience.

A quick search indicates murder is only a federal offense under very limited circumstances.

This case wouldn't seem to meet the requirements to be a federal offense. The one possibility might be as part of a civil rights violation.

Under normal circumstances, the feds would assist in investigating and filing charges in a state court. But, of course, that isn't what this FBI is gonna do.

Like I said, short of an armed uprising, nothing will satisfy them.

Let's be honest, nothing short of a magical overnight fix will satisfy them. But, of course, that is never the way that this kind of things happen. Instead, they always happen in two ways: first gradually, then suddenly. Just because something appears to do little doesn't mean it isn't significant.

 

[concernUrsus]

Inconvenience. The purpose of the strike, all resistance really, is to maximize the inconveniences experienced by those who do the will of the regime. The goal is to make their jobs harder and more tiring than they are able to make the lives of those they would oppress. Because, when everyone's life is maximally inconvenient, people start to think "maybe we should be doing something different". And that's what causes change to stop happening slowly but suddenly happen all at once.



This too. Which is why, whatever you do, you should try to do it with someone else.



Can you? I mean, ultimately, Trump is where he is because the oligarchs find him being there to not cause too many problems they care about. But, at the end of the day, they care about money. This strike is a direct attack on that. The idea is that, Trumps action's lead rich people's pocket books to suffer, then they will start to find Trump inconvenient. Which, again, is what all resistance is ultimately about. Creating situations where people have reasons to think that maybe something should be done differently. Which is always a product of prolonged inconvenience.


Under normal circumstances, the feds would assist in investigating and filing charges in a state court. But, of course, that isn't what this FBI is gonna do.


Let's be honest, nothing short of a magical overnight fix will satisfy them. But, of course, that is never the way that this kind of things happen. Instead, they always happen in two ways: first gradually, then suddenly. Just because something appears to do little doesn't mean it isn't significant.

They may care about money, but they probably care about their lives more. We are close to the point that the power of balance is flipped. We may see a day that Trump throws billionaires under the buses to drum up support.

 

[Lt_Storm]

The GOP has the majority, if those democrats had voted no they simply would not have held the vote until the remaining 3 republicans would be available to pass it.

I am as sick and tired of the feckless democrat leadership as the rest of us but we do ourselves a disservice when we invent nebulous cabals of secret traitor democrats taking turns fucking us.

the truth is much more simple, we have an extremely close minority which gives a few assholes oversized power on occasion which they use to make their personal elections easier (they are wrong on that calculus but they think they have reddish voters).

On one hand, this is true enough. On the other hand, it strikes me that a single Senator or Representative demanding every procedural rule and regularity be followed in excruciating detail would grind Congress to a complete halt; what, you want unanimous consent to end the meeting and go home, no, we need a roll call for that. What, you want to pass this measure by acclamation, nope, role call. You want to give a speech about that matter, hmm, it doesn't look like a quorum are present, role call. That there is no congress critter willing to do that is pretty damning for the whole party.

 

[Lt_Storm]

They may care about money, but they probably care about their lives more. We are close to the point that the power of balance is flipped. We may see a day that Trump throws billionaires under the buses to drum up support.

All the more reason to make their daily lives inconvenient now rather than waiting for them to become hostages.

 

[Thank You and Best of Luck!]

Can you? I mean, ultimately, Trump is where he is because the oligarchs find him being there to not cause too many problems they care about. But, at the end of the day, they care about money. This strike is a direct attack on that. The idea is that, Trumps action's lead rich people's pocket books to suffer, then they will start to find Trump inconvenient. Which, again, is what all resistance is ultimately about. Creating situations where people have reasons to think that maybe something should be done differently. Which is always a product of prolonged inconvenience.

Yes. I definitely can. We’re not seriously talking about out scales of money or economic impact here that are even remotely likely to move the needle for Stephen Miller’s Fourth Reich project.

When it comes to economic pressure, the Trump regime only appears to respond acutely to “bond vigilante” (of the Ed Yardeni variety) levels of fiscal foreboding. That’s what it took back on Liberation Day and what it took on Greenland Appreciation Day too.

This is representative of what I mean when I say I can’t really connect the dots as they’re framed or assumed. We have evidence of what it actually takes for the regime to respond to economic pressure to curtail or abandon some mendacious project. We also have evidence of what levels of economic pressure it’s willing to just accept as the price for getting to keep up its mendacity projects. We can use that information to assess the efficacy of actions we might take.

 

[Crolis]

I think “what is this going to do” is way more subtle. I think one of two things is likely, either Trump bends and gives up and declares victory like he is doing on Greenland and goes for lower hanging fruit if you stand up to him and make it really annoying or he goes all the way with the fascist shit, this keeps escalating with confrontations between ICE and citizens to the point where Ice initiates more violence against the citizens in a Kent State like situation and that could potentially escalate both sides and his regime loses even more support in a downward spiral of violence.

At the end of the day Trump is a coward and his breaking point on these kinds of things is always way closer than people think. If it gets bad enough I could easily see him just going to a different city and trying again.

 

[trapine]

On one hand, this is true enough. On the other hand, it strikes me that a single Senator or Representative demanding every procedural rule and regularity be followed in excruciating detail would grind Congress to a complete halt; what, you want unanimous consent to end the meeting and go home, no, we need a roll call for that. What, you want to pass this measure by acclamation, nope, role call. You want to give a speech about that matter, hmm, it doesn't look like a quorum are present, role call. That there is no congress critter willing to do that is pretty damning for the whole party.

On the other hand 99% of the shit happening is not because of congress, but Trump (Miller - or some other psycho) making shit up signing a piece of paper and the state apparatus following though. I don't recall Congress holding a vote on tariffs or the Fascist turn of Border Patrol and Ice.

 

[Robin-3]

On the other hand 99% of the shit happening is not because of congress, but Trump (Miller - or some other psycho) making shit up signing a piece of paper and the state apparatus following though. I don't recall Congress holding a vote on tariffs or the Fascist turn of Border Patrol and Ice.

Yeah, but congress has the power to make it stop.

Congress can impeach, convict, and remove. Arguably, it's their duty to do so if it's necessary to rein in a tyrant. (More practically, I'd argue, it's also their job to remind any executive with tyrannical tendencies that "hey, we can actually kick your butt out if this goes too far," as a way to retain a balance/division of power.)

But they're absolutely, utterly failing to do so. The Republican majority in congress has made it clear that they won't just rubber-stamp Trump's decisions, they'll go along with his argument that no rubber-stamp approval is even necessary.

 

[Technarch]

I don't recall Congress holding a vote on tariffs or the Fascist turn of Border Patrol and Ice.

Silence equals consent.

 

[Yagisama]

Jesus Fucking Christ I've had it with you people.

There's nothing Americans can do short of violent uprising that'll be "enough" for anyone.

And even then, it'll be "I can't really fit this violent uprising in my schedule. Can someone else do it, while I complain."

 

[trapine]

Yeah, but congress has the power to make it stop.

Congress can impeach, convict, and remove. Arguably, it's their duty to do so if it's necessary to rein in a tyrant. (More practically, I'd argue, it's also their job to remind any executive with tyrannical tendencies that "hey, we can actually kick your butt out if this goes too far," as a way to retain a balance/division of power.)

But they're absolutely, utterly failing to do so. The Republican majority in congress has made it clear that they won't just rubber-stamp Trump's decisions, they'll go along with his argument that no rubber-stamp approval is even necessary.

This was in reply to the idea that Democrats could slow down congress through procedure. That won't do jack shit when congress doesn't have any input into the remaking of the Federal Government.

If anything it will give the right wing media footage showing how Democrats are terrible and to blame for everything.

 

[Yagisama]

They just want a left-wing J6.

Not only that, but many (not here) just want a left wing Trump.

 

[Lt_Storm]

Yes. I definitely can. We’re not seriously talking about out scales of money or economic impact here that are even remotely likely to move the needle for Stephen Miller’s Fourth Reich project.

When it comes to economic pressure, the Trump regime only appears to respond acutely to “bond vigilante” (of the Ed Yardeni variety) levels of fiscal foreboding. That’s what it took back on Liberation Day and what it took on Greenland Appreciation Day too.

This is representative of what I mean when I say I can’t really connect the dots as they’re framed or assumed. We have evidence of what it actually takes for the regime to respond to economic pressure to curtail or abandon some mendacious project. We also have evidence of what levels of economic pressure it’s willing to just accept as the price for getting to keep up its mendacity projects. We can use that information to assess the efficacy of actions we might take.

I think you are mistaking critical events for control variables. But, that isn't how phase changes work. Instead, the critical event is the product of slow long-term changes in the control variables which raise the underlying temperature of the system. Eventually, things start to overheat and you get bond vigilantes, fiscal foreboding, and acute reaction. But, those things don't magically from from nothing, they require nucleation and sufficient heat to already be present. Strikes, on the other hand are about that underlying temperature. They serve both as an early phase change and also further raise the systemic temperature. That means that, in a situation where strikes are more common, the kinds of boiling that the Trump administration responds acutely to are themselves more common. Which is to say: it's the heat that causes boiling, not the other way around.

On the other hand 99% of the shit happening is not because of congress, but Trump (Miller - or some other psycho) making shit up signing a piece of paper and the state apparatus following though. I don't recall Congress holding a vote on tariffs or the Fascist turn of Border Patrol and Ice.

Sure, but, on the other hand, there comes a point where, if Congress isn't willing to pursue the blatantly obvious constitutional crisis and prevent the President from invading his own damn country, one must ask what they are even for.

 

[Lt_Storm]

This was in reply to the idea that Democrats could slow down congress through procedure. That won't do jack shit when congress doesn't have any input into the remaking of the Federal Government.

If anything it will give the right wing media footage showing how Democrats are terrible and to blame for everything.

Except, as I just mentioned, this is all about temperature. If congress is struggling with inconvenience on a daily basis, it makes it that much harder for them to justify what Trump is doing with the federal government. I mean, it's easy to sit quietly while the baboon wrecks things when things in your immediate surroundings are nice and convenient. But, when your immediate surroundings have been turned into chaos because the baboon is driving everyone crazy, and they are making you suffer for it, well, doing nothing becomes much much harder.

 

[Thank You and Best of Luck!]

It is worth noting that 7 Republicans switching to 'no' would have meant failing as well.

Yes, but Republicans are onboard with the premise, so why would they vote against it? They’re not the opposition party.

 

[Lt_Storm]

Yes, but Republicans are onboard with the premise, so why would they vote against it? They’re not the opposition party.

I'm not sure this is entirely true. I mean, they are cowed, so it's close enough to the truth. But, little suggests that they are privately in favor of this insanity. Honestly, I think a large part of why the Democrats are so willing to cooperate is that they know many Republicans privately hate this shit. But, sitting quietly is so very convenient, especially when the alternative means death threats, so....

 

[poochyena]

Huge anti-ICE crowds

https://bsky.app/profile/faeryqueene73.bsky.social/post/3md4tmlrfmc2j

edit; god its so annoying when people block access to their posts.

 

[poochyena]

 

[Thank You and Best of Luck!]

I'm not sure this is entirely true. I mean, they are cowed, so it's close enough to the truth. But, little suggests that they are privately in favor of this insanity. Honestly, I think a large part of why the Democrats are so willing to cooperate is that they know many Republicans privately hate this shit. But, sitting quietly is so very convenient, especially when the alternative means death threats, so....

If they can’t handle death threats, then they should just resign. Credible death threats come with the territory in the U.S. no matter what level of political action a person takes that’s at all controversial.

In any case, sentiments akin to, “Can you believe the Republicans aren’t opposing themselves?” don’t make any sense. Of course they’re not opposing themselves. Why would they? Democrats shouldn’t be opposing themselves either, but that’s apparently not possible for whatever reason.

 

[Lt_Storm]

If they can’t handle death threats, then they should just resign. Credible death threats come with the territory in the U.S. no matter what level of political action a person takes that’s at all controversial.

Yes, that's a problem on it's own. We are falling into the same trap of not punishing radicals that the Japanese feel into in the 1920s.

In any case, sentiments akin to, “Can you believe the Republicans aren’t opposing themselves?” don’t make any sense. Of course they’re not opposing themselves. Why would they? Democrats shouldn’t be opposing themselves either, but that’s apparently not possible for whatever reason.

I mean, you listen to reports of what congressional Republicans have to say in private, then you would think that, by sitting quietly and saying nothing, they are opposing themselves. After all, it isn't like they think racial profiling is good. But, then, they are cowards who were elected because of their cowardice. No surprises there.

As for the Democrats, well, it's comfortable enough to say "we don't have the majority, there's nothing we can do", which, for the most part is a lie, sure you can't impeach him, but you could make life unpleasant. But making the Senate follow every procedure in triplicate world be uncomfortable and would really suck, so that isn't what happens. Which is a pretty good argument for why Democrats rightly ought to make sure the Democratic senators can't get a peaceful night's sleep.

 

[Coppercloud]

The picture mostly says it all (literally already captioned), but I know @Matisaro is gonna want to see this one. Protestors using.....(Drumroll)....... LEAF BLOWERS to blow chemical sprays back at ICE. This was deployed in Portland quite often.

 

[Ecmaster76]

The picture mostly says it all (literally already captioned), but I know @Matisaro is gonna want to see this one. Protestors using.....(Drumroll)....... LEAF BLOWERS to blow chemical sprays back at ICE. This was deployed in Portland quite often.

View attachment 126798

Pretty sure that's AI generated. Mostly on account of the leaf blower being an illegible hodgepodge of tool-like greebles.

Maybe it works, maybe you get arrested/shot. Just think it through real careful first.

 

[Thank You and Best of Luck!]

Pretty sure that's AI generated. Mostly on account of the leaf blower being an illegible hodgepodge of tool-like greebles.

Maybe it works, maybe you get arrested/shot. Just think it through real careful first.

That’s also not what pepper spray looks like. That is what spray paint looks like though.

 

[Coppercloud]

Damnit, you're right. I hate this century.

 

[Welcome to Darwin]

Pretty sure that's AI generated. Mostly on account of the leaf blower being an illegible hodgepodge of tool-like greebles.

Maybe it works, maybe you get arrested/shot. Just think it through real careful first.

The way things are going, it definitely gets you arrested. Almost certainly disappeared somewhere for awhile or for good. Probably severely beaten. Possibly killed.

 

[DarthSlack]

Yes, but Republicans are onboard with the premise, so why would they vote against it? They’re not the opposition party.

Ah yes, way to miss the point. Everyone has gotten sooooo comfortable blaming Democrats for everything that holding Republicans to basic standards of decency isn't even an afterthought.

So let me put it this way, if over 90% of the votes came from Republicans, why are you blaming Democrats? Aren't you constantly pointing out that Democrats aren't cohesive enough for your tastes? Why blame them for acting like Democrats? Isn't that a little inconsistent with giving Republicans a pass for being Republican?

 

[Thank You and Best of Luck!]

Ah yes, way to miss the point. Everyone has gotten sooooo comfortable blaming Democrats for everything that holding Republicans to basic standards of decency isn't even an afterthought.

Hold them to basic standards of decency? They’re a militant authoritarian, fascist regime. The way to “hold them” to anything is… to stand in firm and total opposition to them every single time such an opportunity is provided.

So let me put it this way, if over 90% of the votes came from Republicans, why are you blaming Democrats? Aren't you constantly pointing out that Democrats aren't cohesive enough for your tastes? Why blame them for acting like Democrats? Isn't that a little inconsistent with giving Republicans a pass for being Republican?

What are you talking about? I am blaming the Republicans. I’m blaming them for being mendacious, authoritarian, fascists in the first place… thus requiring that they and their ambitions be fully and thoroughly opposed at every conceivable turn. They’re demonstrably completely irredeemable, and their project should be beaten to unconditional surrender. I think they’re so irredeemable that they should be imprisoned or exiled for what they’ve enabled. I’m blaming Republicans so much that I think they should be blanketly and aggressively opposed consistently and without fail or hesitation.

If a person or politician does not zealously oppose Republicans and their project in totality, then such a person should be lumped in with Republicans and find themselves militantly, zealously opposed. Which is the place where an alarming number (any value greater than zero) of Democrats can’t seem to help finding themselves.

 

[Stern]

The picture mostly says it all (literally already captioned), but I know @Matisaro is gonna want to see this one. Protestors using.....(Drumroll)....... LEAF BLOWERS to blow chemical sprays back at ICE. This was deployed in Portland quite often.

Leaf blowers were used to blow back tear gas, here's what it actually looked like:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEqRIkVEya0

 

[Thank You and Best of Luck!]

Hey, I remember that! That’s when I cracked two ribs by clumsily running into “less than lethal” munitions. I’m such a klutz.

 

[Soriak]

None of the posters here would ever vote for a Republican, so they don’t have to work to get your vote. If they want to win reelection, which they do, they’re going to ignore non-gettable voters and focus on either the persuadable center or on turnout. So you blaming or not blaming them doesn’t matter. Conversely, Democrats should have to fight for your vote (at least in a primary). If they don’t, they have written you off as too extreme to matter in a contested election, too.

 

[Locke]

Ah yes, way to miss the point. Everyone has gotten sooooo comfortable blaming Democrats for everything that holding Republicans to basic standards of decency isn't even an afterthought.

So let me put it this way, if over 90% of the votes came from Republicans, why are you blaming Democrats? Aren't you constantly pointing out that Democrats aren't cohesive enough for your tastes? Why blame them for acting like Democrats? Isn't that a little inconsistent with giving Republicans a pass for being Republican?

Rule 0 of all political media coverage in the US is that Republicans have no agency and therefore can not be blamed for their own actions.

 

[Thank You and Best of Luck!]

None of the posters here would ever vote for a Republican, so they don’t have to work to get your vote. If they want to win reelection, which they do, they’re going to ignore non-gettable voters and focus on either the persuadable center or on turnout. So you blaming or not blaming them doesn’t matter. Conversely, Democrats should have to fight for your vote (at least in a primary). If they don’t, they have written you off as too extreme to matter in a contested election, too.

I would absolutely vote for a Republican that duly, unanimously opposes the Trump regime.

Not even a difficult decision.

 

[Welcome to Darwin]

I would absolutely vote for a Republican that duly, unanimously opposes the Trump regime.

Not even a difficult decision.

Would you trust someone who calls themselves a Republican to actually live up to campaign promises to do that?

Simply by running as a Republican and getting elected as such, they give the party more power, and as long as the direction of the party as a whole is entirely pro-Trump, I'm not sure it is an easy decision.

 

[poochyena]

Another person shot

https://www.startribune.com/ice-raids-minnesota/601546426

 

[Thank You and Best of Luck!]

Would you trust someone who calls themselves a Republican to actually live up to campaign promises to do that?

Simply by running as a Republican and getting elected as such, they give the party more power, and as long as the direction of the party as a whole is entirely pro-Trump, I'm not sure it is an easy decision.

No, but I don’t trust what anybody says. Going back ~15 years I vigorously argued against “representative democracy” as it’s presently constituted because it’s completely nonsensical as any kind of bulwark against even the vaguely duplicitous.

A candidate can say whatever the hell they want. They don’t have to comport themselves with literally any of it. The only remedy is to replace them with a different candidate on some far away date… who can also say whatever the hell they want and has to comport with none of it. If the concept weren’t so normalized already, and someone just pitched the idea to you fresh, you’d fall over laughing from how remarkably stupid it is.

I pretty consistently have demonstrated that I don’t really care at all what people say, except for as a matter of whether or not they seem to be effective or not at properly propagandizing or manipulating. I only care about what people do and have demonstrated they’re capable of. Words are just marketing. When I’m paying attention at all to what any person says, I am only assessing whether or not they’re good at marketing. Full stop.

 

[poochyena]

View: https://bsky.app/profile/gerikatz.bsky.social/post/3md6kqqk5b22v

 

[Mortus]

View: https://bsky.app/profile/gerikatz.bsky.social/post/3md6kqqk5b22v

Just watched the video. The word you're looking for is execution.