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Earlier today, anti-ICE protesters disrupted a church service in St Paul, MN, where the pastor is allegedly an ICE official. Now the DOJ is vowing to press charges against the protesters.
https://apnews.com/article/minnesota-ice-doj-church-protest-st-paul-46dac5c5595ec78e3360ec927eef92d2
https://apnews.com/article/minnesota-ice-doj-church-protest-st-paul-46dac5c5595ec78e3360ec927eef92d2
I know early on there was much discussion about not just the lack of rendering aid to Renee Good, but also prohibiting a nearby physician and hindering the EMTs when they tried to give aid. I believe these are new reports that now indicate that when paramedics found her she "barely" had a pulse. Operative words there are "she had a pulse". now I can't say that she could have been saved but it seems reasonable that this is a possibility. If for some reason the ICE officers had checked on her, they hadn't but bare with me, and found something that clearly indicated that she was already dead such as a grizzly head wound I can see some people being less hard on them about not rendering aid. Granted they didn't do this and it still wouldn't excuse them in my eyes if they had, but I can see other people taking this stance. But it now appears this is far from what happened.
Even if they were afraid for their life. Even if this was self defense. Even if we give a lot of the benefit of the doubt - failing to render aid to someone who is bleeding out and prohibiting and inhibiting aid by others is functionality no different then firing another shot to make sure she were to have died. In a just world every agent there would be guilty of some degree of manslaughter regardless of if the shooting was or was not justified.
https://newrepublic.com/post/205373/evidence-renee-good-still-alive-ice-blocked-medic
https://www.startribune.com/renee-n...ng-injuries-incident-report-details/601565066
Even if they were afraid for their life. Even if this was self defense. Even if we give a lot of the benefit of the doubt - failing to render aid to someone who is bleeding out and prohibiting and inhibiting aid by others is functionality no different then firing another shot to make sure she were to have died. In a just world every agent there would be guilty of some degree of manslaughter regardless of if the shooting was or was not justified.
https://newrepublic.com/post/205373/evidence-renee-good-still-alive-ice-blocked-medic
https://www.startribune.com/renee-n...ng-injuries-incident-report-details/601565066
I wish the DOJ luck finding a jury in Minneapolis who would find them guilty. Well I don't, but I don't have to worry because they won't.
And so they murdered her thrice‽ It's bad enough that they murdered her with lies and bullets. But they also murdered her by denying aid too‽ I fucking can't. I just fucking can't.
He's the acting local director, so he's probably a recent hire for a position they just created. He defended using tear gas and flash bangs on protestors.
The DOJ assistant AG for the civil rights division, that's right the civil fucking rights division is "investigating federal civil rights violations 'by these people desecrating a house of worship and interfering with Christian worshippers.'" She left undaid the white Xtian part because you know damn well they won't blink an eye when ICE invades a mosque and shoots someone.
So, instead of wearing white hoods and hanging people from trees, now they wear tacticool gear and shoot them at any opportunity or ship them to a gulag.
I really despise these people.
Saw there are reports individual ICE agents don’t want to be in MN. The emotional toll of being taunted and not allowed to sleep is impacting their morale.
Good.
Make these klansmen uncomfortable. Heck more emotional damage can be done by burning an effigy of a klansman in a hood with a tacky ice police vest on top.
Really drive it home who these ICE agents really are.
You replaced the K K K with I C E.
Good.
Make these klansmen uncomfortable. Heck more emotional damage can be done by burning an effigy of a klansman in a hood with a tacky ice police vest on top.
Really drive it home who these ICE agents really are.
You replaced the K K K with I C E.
The whole "not rendering aid" part is what went a long way with getting the convictions of Chauvin and company when they murdered George Floyd. I'm guessing a similar thing will be in play here should charges be actually filled, state charges obviously since the DOJ has already said they see nothing wrong. The lies about injuries and the "fucking bitch" comment after shooting not a lot of sympathy will be gathered there.
ICE broke down the front door of a US citizen's house without a warrant, marched him in his underwear at gunpoint through the snow. Refused to accept his ID until after they drove off with him leaving his kids at the house. Brought him back hours later after determining he was in fact a US citizen.
They didn't even have a warrant. So I guess all laws are optional now.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/chongl...erwear-frigid-conditions-what-did-i-do-wrong/
They didn't even have a warrant. So I guess all laws are optional now.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/chongl...erwear-frigid-conditions-what-did-i-do-wrong/
The ideal response here would be to move the needle enough, in general, with all sides that detaining a US citizen like that steps over a line. The reality is that the people all for this will point to this person, and say, 'well, look at him, he isn't like us, how would you know?'
And that is sad.
And that is sad.
Local MN news websites that have ICE stories:
https://bringmethenews.com/
https://minnesotareformer.com/
https://www.minnpost.com/
https://www.mprnews.org/
https://sahanjournal.com/
https://bringmethenews.com/
https://minnesotareformer.com/
https://www.minnpost.com/
https://www.mprnews.org/
https://sahanjournal.com/
ICE's facial recognition app doesn't seem to work very well. Not really surprising looking at the quality of their work.
https://www.404media.co/ices-facial-recognition-app-misidentified-a-woman-twice/
https://archive.ph/kGwsc
https://www.404media.co/ices-facial-recognition-app-misidentified-a-woman-twice/
https://archive.ph/kGwsc
Probably just like every other facial recognition app and was tested only with the whitest of white faces.
The lies told by the admin, the lack of injuries, and the denial of aid are pretty fucking damning.
I wouldn't read any too much into the expletives though, they're not directed enough to rule out a stress response and the fact that he moved his phone to his off-hand says a lot more about his intent to kill than his mouth did.
Come to think of it, the "fucking bitch" comment is the only action he took that day that I believe a civil, non-murderous person might do. Everything else, from how he moved around the car, how he recorded the incident with a phone instead of a bodycam, total lack of remorse or concern for her life, showing up to work as an ICE agent, indicates that ICE agent was planning to murder someone.
I don't go 1 week without being impressed by Mamdani
View: https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3mcumsgqw5k2a
View: https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3mcumsgqw5k2a
Sad that a politician telling the truth is 'impressive'.
I guess though he's insulated from it all. Mayor is a nothing burger and has no power and even if he were elected higher by NYC folks that's still safe like AOC.
Now if we saw politicians saying this at the big boy level and daring the voters to vote them out that might be something.
At least we'd know the voters on the blue side like the gestapo perfectly fine like the federal level Democratic politicians.
I guess though he's insulated from it all. Mayor is a nothing burger and has no power and even if he were elected higher by NYC folks that's still safe like AOC.
Now if we saw politicians saying this at the big boy level and daring the voters to vote them out that might be something.
At least we'd know the voters on the blue side like the gestapo perfectly fine like the federal level Democratic politicians.
Anyone who knows anything about the Hmong community knows how insane targeting Hmong the should have been. I've a good friend who is an elder in that community and he's enraged at how many of the members of that community were fervently pro Trump. He fights hard against some of the very chauvinistic ideologies that run through their religions (there's a large number of polygamists in that community, which isn't to say Hmong are all like that- far from it, but the spiritual leaders still often embrace it). My friend got naturalized during the first Trump term due to his fear of what the admin might perpetrate against the Hmong.
But, Trump has (had?) widespread support among the Hmong community, largely coming from the religious leaders. You can find a lot of Hmong youtubers espousing MAGA ideology. We'll see if that changes now, but to understand Trumps support in that community, and to know their very pro-western/pro-capitalism ideologies and justification for being refugees in the USA, this kind of targeting is possibly the most insane we've seen from ICE yet. But, as my friend mentioned, we saw the same thing with Afghani translators and supports of the USA in that country.
But, as I said to him, this is about making sure anyone who doesn't look like JD Vance or Stephen Miller, know their place. He's shown me comments from Facebook that are hilarious to anyone who was paying attention, but parts of that community are getting a major rude awakening. There's no way to appease a racist if you don't look like them. Many of the patriachs of this community litterally fought and died for America, and this is how we're thanking them.
So several police departments issued a joint statement today. Notably Minneapolis was absent and I have no idea what to make of that. On one hand I'm not sure how they can justify saying that this is "a few" agents that are causing problems when it's hard to justify the quantity of enforcement officers that are there. Like, does anyone believe there are that many dangerous illegal immigrants that 2000+ officers need to be doing daily work here when they don't need to elsewhere? Kind of a stretch. It also seems a little painful to see them be making a stance so late and not until the problems started affecting their own, as opposed to standing up for the entire citizenry earlier, which they acknowledged at least. So there's some criticism to be had.
None the less, this seems really notable. I've seen the posts about how people just need to not be doing anything wrong and they won't have anything to worry about. I'm sure you have too. Or the posts that ice is just trying to do their jobs and it's the protestors who are obstructing and instigating. The fact that multiple police departments are saying "no, we can factually say that they are acting outside their mandate and authority and trampling on rights of regular citizens" seems like it throws a wrench into those arguments. One coming from the place the very people espousing them normally turn to for evidence and authority.
So this is what I'm talking about when I say the non violent protests may be making headway. Keep making ice look like clowns. When someone says they're just doing their job show them that no, even the police say they need to get their boots off our necks. There are cracks there.
View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ak09ozRQ8cs&pp=2AEAkAIB
None the less, this seems really notable. I've seen the posts about how people just need to not be doing anything wrong and they won't have anything to worry about. I'm sure you have too. Or the posts that ice is just trying to do their jobs and it's the protestors who are obstructing and instigating. The fact that multiple police departments are saying "no, we can factually say that they are acting outside their mandate and authority and trampling on rights of regular citizens" seems like it throws a wrench into those arguments. One coming from the place the very people espousing them normally turn to for evidence and authority.
So this is what I'm talking about when I say the non violent protests may be making headway. Keep making ice look like clowns. When someone says they're just doing their job show them that no, even the police say they need to get their boots off our necks. There are cracks there.
View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ak09ozRQ8cs&pp=2AEAkAIB
I'll take your word for it.
He has no power outside of the city and I'll wager little in it (we'll see how his lofty goals work during his term).
I like the cut of his jib but he means nothing in the grand scheme.
Again let's see Schumer say stuff like this. That's what we need and won't get.
The play now is not to wait for Schumer's position to shift but rather to unleash a rhetorical blitz on ICE as though Schumer doesn't exist. He can't match tempo with that and public opinion has started to turn quite rapidly, which is going to leave Schumer looking like deer in headlights. He can either capitulate or be sidelined, but it's only going to happen when he can't open his mouth without his own party demanding to know what he's smoking. No point in treating him as though he has any agency in the process because what agency he does have is going to be spent entirely on doubling down on the status quo.
MPD rank and file is extremely, I and I mean extremely racist.
The police union in Minneapolis was an extension of a white nationalist biker gang until a few years ago.
Largest English speaking metro area. The city proper that he has jurisdiction over is slightly smaller than London.
Local politics matter a lot. Democrats tend to forget this more than Republicans do.
The 4th Amendment applies to everyone in the United States.
The Constitution protects everybody or it protects nobody.
The Constitution protects everybody or it protects nobody.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
That's not surprising at all. Everyone has doppelgangers.
SCOTUS already said they can kinda, sorta ignore the 4th within 100 miles of anywhere dirty foreigners might be
https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/border-zone
So basically everywhere
https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/border-zone
So basically everywhere
Probably purely anecdotal, but I can't help thinking the more progressive and liberal a city/region is, the further right the cops go in reaction.
The 2%'ers promise keepers and proud boys have been infiltrating cop shops for decades now and it seems a no brainer to me that is what they would choose.
It's possible the manufacturer may refuse to produce/label items with obscene language (though nobody's exactly going to be confused about the sentiment here) or that the organization handing them out doesn't want to get entrapped in some silly application of Minnesota's obscene materials law. ICE agents are already literally throwing themselves bodily at cars to bait out vehicular assault charges, so who knows to what other perversions of law they're willing to stoop.
Saint Paul Pioneer Press: https://archive.ph/fQITA (the accidental conversion of a letter and punctuation to 
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There's no way that's anything besides a blatant attempt at intimidation. The fact that they used the stores retail name instead of the companies legal name in audit demand is quite telling.
Well fuck, can't say I'm shocked though. A state court telling a federal org what to do never seemed like the thing that would fly for very long.
US court allows ICE to arrest and pepper-spray peaceful protesters in Minnesota https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...-spray-protesters-minnesota?CMP=share_btn_url
US court allows ICE to arrest and pepper-spray peaceful protesters in Minnesota https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...-spray-protesters-minnesota?CMP=share_btn_url
And they wasted no time, going by the image in this article which shows someone held to the ground and pepper sprayed in the face:
https://www.startribune.com/ice-raids-minnesota/601546426
Since that's a "live" article, here's a direct link to the image (not in-lined for size):
https://arc.stimg.co/startribunemedia/LI3AI5RFMRDHTHRVIMDG3EOHRE.jpg?&w=1080
Came here to post that. You all beat me to it. The image is not gruesome but still horrifying of someone in a mask getting chemical irritants sprayed on them from what appears to be mere inches away. I encourage everyone to view it not because this is fun or something but because knowing what's actually happening, the day the order was lifted, is relevant.
I will say that it seems they did, apparently, respect a judicial order for the few days it lasted. Too bad they can't respect human beings. I'm having trouble verifying this one as right now it's just reddit claims with a photo of a kid that I cant be 100% sure is actually being detained, but theres also reports of a 6 year old kid in Columbus heights being taken with his dad and his mom is now unable to find him.
I will say that it seems they did, apparently, respect a judicial order for the few days it lasted. Too bad they can't respect human beings. I'm having trouble verifying this one as right now it's just reddit claims with a photo of a kid that I cant be 100% sure is actually being detained, but theres also reports of a 6 year old kid in Columbus heights being taken with his dad and his mom is now unable to find him.
I looked and yes, it is horrifying. There's 3 people holding them down and they obviously don't need to be subdued. Someone in their position could easily die. The whole point is to project power and suffering. These guys are sadists.