Huawei cancels MateBook laptop launch because of US export ban

MateBook launch cancelled for this week—and may not happen at all.

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[Deleted member 1]

When it comes to China, I see it all as "tit for tat" (payback for years of China's "tat" against us and the rest of the world)!

But when Trump rants and raves and issues threats against our neighbors and our allies (e.g. Canada), I feel very, very embarrassed. I am old enough to remember how Canada issued "fake" passports to save several of our hostages held in Iran back in 1979 - and then closed up its embassy in Tehran in anticipation of Iranian retribution! THAT's the best friend and neighbor anyone (country or person) can hope to have. And our payback? Shame on us!

 

[john-whorfin]

Everyone who is against the ban here seems to also agree that the threat of a government backdoors is very real. Its an odd dichotomy that they admit the US and other governments do this thing, but that we should accept the threat from china, because we do it too? Why the hell would we do that? Do you really think the risk from China's backdoors and the US spying on us has the same weight in the event of conflict?

This^. I fully expect both sides to be spying and feel that they wouldn't be doing their jobs if they didn't. The bullshit that "The U.S. is spying but the Chinese don't!!!!" is childish nonsense. Cut with the bullshit,kids, and come into Big Boy World. Grow the fuck up.

So you're saying the US should ban imports of ALL electronic devices manufactured in China, since there is the possibility that tech for spying might be included in those devices.

That should work out really well. /s

 

[Jackattak]

I really am fucking tired of this shitstorm. The only reason they are on this so called list is because their Chinese and the orange cry baby hates Non-Americans.

Are you really _that_ tired? Nothing they make is essential to your livelihood and there are tons of identical products from other companies.

I think it is more of people getting tired of the propaganda being pumped out by Trump and his mindless supporters. They are why I now go out of my way to purchase products that are not made in the United States. Every day, more of the world does the same.

One could I say I am vehemently opposed to lord Cheeto and basically everything he’s said or done to this point.

Except this. This is the _one_thing_ that he’s accomplished so far that has actually made sense.

 

[daveishere]

When it comes to China, I see it all as "tit for tat" (payback for years of China's "tat" against us and the rest of the world)!

But when Trump rants and raves and issues threats against our neighbors and our allies (e.g. Canada), I feel very, very embarrassed. I am old enough to remember how Canada issued "fake" passports to save several of our hostages held in Iran back in 1979 - and then closed up its embassy in Tehran in anticipation of Iranian retribution! THAT's the best friend and neighbor anyone (country or person) can hope to have. And our payback? Shame on us!

No, shame on Trump. I had nothing to do with it. That Trump is a dickhead doesn't mean China doesn't spy on us. Sometimes. there are guys following the paranoids.

 

[daveishere]

I really am fucking tired of this shitstorm. The only reason they are on this so called list is because their Chinese and the orange cry baby hates Non-Americans.

Are you really _that_ tired? Nothing they make is essential to your livelihood and there are tons of identical products from other companies.

I think it is more of people getting tired of the propaganda being pumped out by Trump and his mindless supporters. They are why I now go out of my way to purchase products that are not made in the United States. Every day, more of the world does the same.

One could I say I am vehemently opposed to lord Cheeto and basically everything he’s said or done to this point.

Except this. This is the _one_thing_ that he’s accomplished so far that has actually made sense.

'Blind squirrel gets a nut' and all that.

 

[adespoton]

I really am fucking tired of this shitstorm. The only reason they are on this so called list is because their Chinese and the orange cry baby hates Non-Americans.

If they were owned by Russia would you feel the same?

I'm not biased towards any countries citizens.

This isnt about its citizens, these are state owned companies.
So if the company making telecommunications equipment for you was owned by a state known for disinformation campaigns and open hostility towards your way of life, would you still trust it?

It goes further than this. For example, China was caught bribing people to vote for a particular candidate in Canadian elections, and China has been known to threaten the Chinese connections of foreigners who don't actively uphold China's moral code abroad. This means that if someone reports that some businessman in the USA held a symposium where someone talked about Tiennamen Square, that businessman's family or business contacts in China will be ordered to first tell him to stop, and if he doesn't, cut off all connection to him.

If they're willing to do this with people who aren't even Chinese citizens, why should we trust them to behave any differently when you replace the Chinese citizens with Huawei and the foreign person with your electronics?

 

[daveishere]

Everyone who is against the ban here seems to also agree that the threat of a government backdoors is very real. Its an odd dichotomy that they admit the US and other governments do this thing, but that we should accept the threat from china, because we do it too? Why the hell would we do that? Do you really think the risk from China's backdoors and the US spying on us has the same weight in the event of conflict?

This^. I fully expect both sides to be spying and feel that they wouldn't be doing their jobs if they didn't. The bullshit that "The U.S. is spying but the Chinese don't!!!!" is childish nonsense. Cut with the bullshit,kids, and come into Big Boy World. Grow the fuck up.

So you're saying the US should ban imports of ALL electronic devices manufactured in China, since there is the possibility that tech for spying might be included in those devices.

That should work out really well. /s

No, I didn't say that. You read poorly. I gave no policy suggestions. I said-if I must repeat myself- that both sides spy and anyone who doesn't acknowledge that is being childish. That's what I said.

 

[spacekobra]

Everyone who is against the ban here seems to also agree that the threat of a government backdoors is very real. Its an odd dichotomy that they admit the US and other governments do this thing, but that we should accept the threat from china, because we do it too? Why the hell would we do that? Do you really think the risk from China's backdoors and the US spying on us has the same weight in the event of conflict?

This^. I fully expect both sides to be spying and feel that they wouldn't be doing their jobs if they didn't. The bullshit that "The U.S. is spying but the Chinese don't!!!!" is childish nonsense. Cut with the bullshit,kids, and come into Big Boy World. Grow the fuck up.

So you're saying the US should ban imports of ALL electronic devices manufactured in China, since there is the possibility that tech for spying might be included in those devices.

That should work out really well. /s

Disingenuous comments like this help nobody.

Are those devices key infrastructure?

No?

Then it doesn't matter as much. Its a concern for sure but its not as huge a deal. By the way, the government already does stuff like this, they try to source things from countries they trust. For example A&D components are only allowed to be built in certain countries. With ITAR components being restricted to US, EU and Canada. (exceptions can be made but not preferred)

Similarly, Canada blocked a Chinese purchase of a construction company because that company deals with our nuclear infrastructure.

Governments are protecting their best interests, up next news about how water is wet.

 

[Caelicola]

The Matebook with Windows "Signature Edition" is actually a compelling offering.

 

[PandaCheese]

Fabermetrics[/url]
This isnt about its citizens, these are state owned companies.
So if the company making telecommunications equipment for you was owned by a state known for disinformation campaigns and open hostility towards your way of life, would you still trust it?

Are corporate giants that spend millions on lobbying to drown out the voices of the people necessarily better for respecting basic rights than state-owned enterprises?

Aside from that, far as hostility toward my way of life, the current US administration fits the bill perfectly.

Bottom line is if there’s hard evidence, put it on the table for independent review and take appropriate action. Otherwise it’s all political maneuvering aimed to benefit the few instead of the many.

 

[daveishere]

Everyone who is against the ban here seems to also agree that the threat of a government backdoors is very real. Its an odd dichotomy that they admit the US and other governments do this thing, but that we should accept the threat from china, because we do it too? Why the hell would we do that? Do you really think the risk from China's backdoors and the US spying on us has the same weight in the event of conflict?

This^. I fully expect both sides to be spying and feel that they wouldn't be doing their jobs if they didn't. The bullshit that "The U.S. is spying but the Chinese don't!!!!" is childish nonsense. Cut with the bullshit,kids, and come into Big Boy World. Grow the fuck up.

So you're saying the US should ban imports of ALL electronic devices manufactured in China, since there is the possibility that tech for spying might be included in those devices.

That should work out really well. /s

Disingenuous comments like this help nobody.

Are those devices key infrastructure?

No?

Then it doesn't matter as much. Its a concern for sure but its not as huge a deal. By the way, the government already does stuff like this, they try to source things from countries they trust. For example A&D components are only allowed to be built in certain countries. With ITAR components being restricted to US, EU and Canada. (exceptions can be made but not preferred)

Similarly, Canada blocked a Chinese purchase of a construction company because that company deals with our nuclear infrastructure.

Governments are protecting their best interests, up next news about how water is wet.

Indeed. It's not like this is anything new. Those in power have been spying on other powers since time began. None of this should excite anyone except those with an agenda. It's really how things are done and have been done forever.

 

[daveishere]

Fabermetrics[/url]
This isnt about its citizens, these are state owned companies.
So if the company making telecommunications equipment for you was owned by a state known for disinformation campaigns and open hostility towards your way of life, would you still trust it?

Are corporate giants that spend millions on lobbying to drown out the voices of the people necessarily better for respecting basic rights than state-owned enterprises?

Aside from that, far as hostility toward my way of life, the current US administration fits the bill perfectly.

Bottom line is if there’s hard evidence, put it on the table for independent review and take appropriate action. Otherwise it’s all political maneuvering aimed to benefit the few instead of the many.

China spies on us. We spy on China. Everybody spies on everybody.
Any questions?

 

[Deleted member 1]

Funny how the country that censors and bans everything (China) gets upset about getting banned.

 

[hel1kx]

China spies on us. We spy on China. Everybody spies on everybody.
Any questions?

I understand that, but I don't understand why Hauwei was chosen to be put on the Entity List but not other tech companies like Lenovo. Maybe I missed something in the stories but it seems like Hauwei was chosen arbitrarily because they might put backdoors in their products.

 

[john-whorfin]

Everyone who is against the ban here seems to also agree that the threat of a government backdoors is very real. Its an odd dichotomy that they admit the US and other governments do this thing, but that we should accept the threat from china, because we do it too? Why the hell would we do that? Do you really think the risk from China's backdoors and the US spying on us has the same weight in the event of conflict?

This^. I fully expect both sides to be spying and feel that they wouldn't be doing their jobs if they didn't. The bullshit that "The U.S. is spying but the Chinese don't!!!!" is childish nonsense. Cut with the bullshit,kids, and come into Big Boy World. Grow the fuck up.

So you're saying the US should ban imports of ALL electronic devices manufactured in China, since there is the possibility that tech for spying might be included in those devices.

That should work out really well. /s

Disingenuous comments like this help nobody.

Are those devices key infrastructure?

No?

Then it doesn't matter as much. Its a concern for sure but its not as huge a deal. By the way, the government already does stuff like this, they try to source things from countries they trust. For example A&D components are only allowed to be built in certain countries. With ITAR components being restricted to US, EU and Canada. (exceptions can be made but not preferred)

Similarly, Canada blocked a Chinese purchase of a construction company because that company deals with our nuclear infrastructure.

Governments are protecting their best interests, up next news about how water is wet.

Of course both sides are spying, and I did include the /s for sarcasm.

To date there is just as much evidence that iPhones being manufactured in China are equipped for spying as there is for any Huawei gear. If there was any evidence at all against Huawei to support the ban, I'd start looking for a new phone. No such evidence has been made public, and Huawei has set up a testing center in Britain to allow auditing of their source code.

https://www.scmp.com/tech/enterprises/a ... regulatory

US is supposed to be where you are "innocent until proven guilty". I'm still waiting for proof.

 

[john-whorfin]

China spies on us. We spy on China. Everybody spies on everybody.
Any questions?

I understand that, but I don't understand why Hauwei was chosen to be put on the Entity List but not other tech companies like Lenovo. Maybe I missed something in the stories but it seems like Hauwei was chosen arbitrarily because they might put backdoors in their products.

Huawei passed Apple and became the #2 maker of cell-phones earlier this year. It is all about the money.

 

[daveishere]

Everyone who is against the ban here seems to also agree that the threat of a government backdoors is very real. Its an odd dichotomy that they admit the US and other governments do this thing, but that we should accept the threat from china, because we do it too? Why the hell would we do that? Do you really think the risk from China's backdoors and the US spying on us has the same weight in the event of conflict?

This^. I fully expect both sides to be spying and feel that they wouldn't be doing their jobs if they didn't. The bullshit that "The U.S. is spying but the Chinese don't!!!!" is childish nonsense. Cut with the bullshit,kids, and come into Big Boy World. Grow the fuck up.

So you're saying the US should ban imports of ALL electronic devices manufactured in China, since there is the possibility that tech for spying might be included in those devices.

That should work out really well. /s

Disingenuous comments like this help nobody.

Are those devices key infrastructure?

No?

Then it doesn't matter as much. Its a concern for sure but its not as huge a deal. By the way, the government already does stuff like this, they try to source things from countries they trust. For example A&D components are only allowed to be built in certain countries. With ITAR components being restricted to US, EU and Canada. (exceptions can be made but not preferred)

Similarly, Canada blocked a Chinese purchase of a construction company because that company deals with our nuclear infrastructure.

Governments are protecting their best interests, up next news about how water is wet.

Of course both sides are spying, and I did include the /s for sarcasm.

To date there is just as much evidence that iPhones being manufactured in China are equipped for spying as there is for any Huawei gear. If there was any evidence at all against Huawei to support the ban, I'd start looking for a new phone. No such evidence has been made public, and Huawei has set up a testing center in Britain to allow auditing of their source code.

https://www.scmp.com/tech/enterprises/a ... regulatory

US is supposed to be where you are "innocent until proven guilty". I'm still waiting for proof.

I'm going to assume China will attempt to spy on us anyway it can. Just as I assume the U.S. is doing the same. Both sides would be incompetent if they didn't. 'Proof' means 'after the fact', so what good is that?

 

[john-whorfin]

Everyone who is against the ban here seems to also agree that the threat of a government backdoors is very real. Its an odd dichotomy that they admit the US and other governments do this thing, but that we should accept the threat from china, because we do it too? Why the hell would we do that? Do you really think the risk from China's backdoors and the US spying on us has the same weight in the event of conflict?

This^. I fully expect both sides to be spying and feel that they wouldn't be doing their jobs if they didn't. The bullshit that "The U.S. is spying but the Chinese don't!!!!" is childish nonsense. Cut with the bullshit,kids, and come into Big Boy World. Grow the fuck up.

So you're saying the US should ban imports of ALL electronic devices manufactured in China, since there is the possibility that tech for spying might be included in those devices.

That should work out really well. /s

No, I didn't say that. You read poorly. I gave no policy suggestions. I said-if I must repeat myself- that both sides spy and anyone who doesn't acknowledge that is being childish. That's what I said.

My apologies. I should have been replying directly to Fabermetrics, as he does not seem to be interested in obtaining evidence of spying. That's what bothers me the most about this (other than wondering if my phone will be directly affected), is there is no evidence being presented to support banning Huawei.

 

[daveishere]

China spies on us. We spy on China. Everybody spies on everybody.
Any questions?

I understand that, but I don't understand why Hauwei was chosen to be put on the Entity List but not other tech companies like Lenovo. Maybe I missed something in the stories but it seems like Hauwei was chosen arbitrarily because they might put backdoors in their products.

Huawei passed Apple and became the #2 maker of cell-phones earlier this year. It is all about the money.

Perhaps it is. So what?

 

[daveishere]

Everyone who is against the ban here seems to also agree that the threat of a government backdoors is very real. Its an odd dichotomy that they admit the US and other governments do this thing, but that we should accept the threat from china, because we do it too? Why the hell would we do that? Do you really think the risk from China's backdoors and the US spying on us has the same weight in the event of conflict?

This^. I fully expect both sides to be spying and feel that they wouldn't be doing their jobs if they didn't. The bullshit that "The U.S. is spying but the Chinese don't!!!!" is childish nonsense. Cut with the bullshit,kids, and come into Big Boy World. Grow the fuck up.

So you're saying the US should ban imports of ALL electronic devices manufactured in China, since there is the possibility that tech for spying might be included in those devices.

That should work out really well. /s

No, I didn't say that. You read poorly. I gave no policy suggestions. I said-if I must repeat myself- that both sides spy and anyone who doesn't acknowledge that is being childish. That's what I said.

My apologies. I should have been replying directly to Fabermetrics, as he does not seem to be interested in obtaining evidence of spying. That's what bothers me the most about this (other than wondering if my phone will be directly affected), is there is no evidence being presented to support banning Huawei.

I don't give a shit about evidence. I assume China will try and spy on us and we spy on them. That's how it works.

 

[john-whorfin]

China spies on us. We spy on China. Everybody spies on everybody.
Any questions?

I understand that, but I don't understand why Hauwei was chosen to be put on the Entity List but not other tech companies like Lenovo. Maybe I missed something in the stories but it seems like Hauwei was chosen arbitrarily because they might put backdoors in their products.

Huawei passed Apple and became the #2 maker of cell-phones earlier this year. It is all about the money.

Perhaps it is. So what?

So do you think it is right to ban Huawei under the pretense of national security in order to prop up sales of Apple?

 

[daveishere]

China spies on us. We spy on China. Everybody spies on everybody.
Any questions?

I understand that, but I don't understand why Hauwei was chosen to be put on the Entity List but not other tech companies like Lenovo. Maybe I missed something in the stories but it seems like Hauwei was chosen arbitrarily because they might put backdoors in their products.

Huawei passed Apple and became the #2 maker of cell-phones earlier this year. It is all about the money.

Perhaps it is. So what?

So do you think it is right to ban Huawei under the pretense of national security in order to prop up sales of Apple?

It's not in my pay grade to establish 'right'. I'm just observing that this is how it works.

Edit- I dont think it's 'right' to run over protesters with tanks, but I wasn't consulted.

 

[john-whorfin]

China spies on us. We spy on China. Everybody spies on everybody.
Any questions?

I understand that, but I don't understand why Hauwei was chosen to be put on the Entity List but not other tech companies like Lenovo. Maybe I missed something in the stories but it seems like Hauwei was chosen arbitrarily because they might put backdoors in their products.

Huawei passed Apple and became the #2 maker of cell-phones earlier this year. It is all about the money.

Perhaps it is. So what?

So do you think it is right to ban Huawei under the pretense of national security in order to prop up sales of Apple?

It's not in my pay grade to establish 'right'. I'm just observing that this is how it works.

Edit- I dont think it's 'right' to run over protesters with tanks, but I wasn't consulted.

I don't think it is right to put children in cages and let them die while separated from their parents. I was not consulted either.

 

[daveishere]

john whorfin- Me too. See how things run off the table? There's no moral high ground to climb.

 

[Matthew J.]

No chips, no laptops. Seems fair.

 

[Nulls]

China has placed restrictions and kept US companies out of its market for years. So why should Chinese companies get unrestricted access to the US when it is not the case the other way around? Especially when so far the US has only taken action against a very small number of Chinese companies that sell their goods in the US.

For people trying desperately to make this a partisan issue, it really isn't.

Just last year the DNC told Democrats not to use ZTE and Huawei devices ever, due to cybersecurity concerns:
https://www.theverge.com/2018/8/3/17649 ... ing-threat

Eariler this year a bi-partisan group of senators wanted to ban Huawei from the energy infrastructure due to cybersecurity concerns:
https://www.rollcall.com/news/congress/ ... astructure

Huawei is in trouble because people involved with that company are accused to lieing to US banks to break US sanctions with Iran, this alone would warrant the US from banning Huawei:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/ ... d5221a3d6d

 

[spacekobra]

Everyone who is against the ban here seems to also agree that the threat of a government backdoors is very real. Its an odd dichotomy that they admit the US and other governments do this thing, but that we should accept the threat from china, because we do it too? Why the hell would we do that? Do you really think the risk from China's backdoors and the US spying on us has the same weight in the event of conflict?

This^. I fully expect both sides to be spying and feel that they wouldn't be doing their jobs if they didn't. The bullshit that "The U.S. is spying but the Chinese don't!!!!" is childish nonsense. Cut with the bullshit,kids, and come into Big Boy World. Grow the fuck up.

So you're saying the US should ban imports of ALL electronic devices manufactured in China, since there is the possibility that tech for spying might be included in those devices.

That should work out really well. /s

Disingenuous comments like this help nobody.

Are those devices key infrastructure?

No?

Then it doesn't matter as much. Its a concern for sure but its not as huge a deal. By the way, the government already does stuff like this, they try to source things from countries they trust. For example A&D components are only allowed to be built in certain countries. With ITAR components being restricted to US, EU and Canada. (exceptions can be made but not preferred)

Similarly, Canada blocked a Chinese purchase of a construction company because that company deals with our nuclear infrastructure.

Governments are protecting their best interests, up next news about how water is wet.

Of course both sides are spying, and I did include the /s for sarcasm.

To date there is just as much evidence that iPhones being manufactured in China are equipped for spying as there is for any Huawei gear. If there was any evidence at all against Huawei to support the ban, I'd start looking for a new phone. No such evidence has been made public, and Huawei has set up a testing center in Britain to allow auditing of their source code.

https://www.scmp.com/tech/enterprises/a ... regulatory

US is supposed to be where you are "innocent until proven guilty". I'm still waiting for proof.

US isn’t assuming guilt. US is assuming risk. They’re seeing a non-zero amount of risk and assuming it’s too much. Just as the Canadian government blocking the purchase. Just as the US government carefully choosing stuff for ITAR.

Again. You can do what you want. Governments will do what they want because they have their best interests not the individual.

It’s also not just about spying. And never has been. All your comments suggest you’re just making absurd assumptions. So I’ll stop here

 

[john-whorfin]

China has placed restrictions and kept US companies out of its market for years. So why should Chinese companies get unrestricted access to the US when it is not the case the other way around? Especially when so far the US has only taken action against a very small number of Chinese companies that sell their goods in the US.

For people trying desperately to make this a partisan issue, it really isn't.

Just last year the DNC told Democrats not to use ZTE and Huawei devices ever, due to cybersecurity concerns:
https://www.theverge.com/2018/8/3/17649 ... ing-threat

Eariler this year a bi-partisan group of senators wanted to ban Huawei from the energy infrastructure due to cybersecurity concerns:
https://www.rollcall.com/news/congress/ ... astructure

Huawei is in trouble because people involved with that company are accused to lieing to US banks to break US sanctions with Iran, this alone would warrant the US from banning Huawei:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/ ... d5221a3d6d

Odd that the security problems with ZTE were solved by loaning Trump half a billion dollars for a hotel project.

 

[Fabermetrics]

China has placed restrictions and kept US companies out of its market for years. So why should Chinese companies get unrestricted access to the US when it is not the case the other way around? Especially when so far the US has only taken action against a very small number of Chinese companies that sell their goods in the US.

For people trying desperately to make this a partisan issue, it really isn't.

Just last year the DNC told Democrats not to use ZTE and Huawei devices ever, due to cybersecurity concerns:
https://www.theverge.com/2018/8/3/17649 ... ing-threat

Eariler this year a bi-partisan group of senators wanted to ban Huawei from the energy infrastructure due to cybersecurity concerns:
https://www.rollcall.com/news/congress/ ... astructure

Huawei is in trouble because people involved with that company are accused to lieing to US banks to break US sanctions with Iran, this alone would warrant the US from banning Huawei:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/ ... d5221a3d6d

Odd that the security problems with ZTE were solved by loaning Trump half a billion dollars for a hotel project.

Would you be placed in a death camp if you typed the words "Pooh Bear" right now?
Blink twice if you need rescue.

 

[daveishere]

China has placed restrictions and kept US companies out of its market for years. So why should Chinese companies get unrestricted access to the US when it is not the case the other way around? Especially when so far the US has only taken action against a very small number of Chinese companies that sell their goods in the US.

For people trying desperately to make this a partisan issue, it really isn't.

Just last year the DNC told Democrats not to use ZTE and Huawei devices ever, due to cybersecurity concerns:
https://www.theverge.com/2018/8/3/17649 ... ing-threat

Eariler this year a bi-partisan group of senators wanted to ban Huawei from the energy infrastructure due to cybersecurity concerns:
https://www.rollcall.com/news/congress/ ... astructure

Huawei is in trouble because people involved with that company are accused to lieing to US banks to break US sanctions with Iran, this alone would warrant the US from banning Huawei:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/ ... d5221a3d6d

Odd that the security problems with ZTE were solved by loaning Trump half a billion dollars for a hotel project.

How the security problems for the DNC (Democratic National Committee meaning the Democratic *party* headquarters) were solved with Trump's hotel only you know. Perhaps you could provide 'evidence'?

Edit- Your agenda slip is showing.

 

[Ephesos]

Disclaimer: I'm an East European whose country is part of the EU.

Its funny for me to read the pro Trump/pro export ban rhetoric on these boards. The way people see the trade war led by Trump in my country is as follows:

1. USA is unable to compete with China on 5G, and decided to use national security as pretext for the ban.
2. Trump is using the trade war on China and other countries a driver for his next election.

We were really rooting for the USA while we under soviet boot, but it is obvious that you guys are turning inwards, becoming more nationalistic as a consequence of other countries or groups (EU) beginning to challenge your economic might.

I myself welcome China's rise, competition is good, and USA doesn't look that friendly anymore if you're not an american.

 

[Ralf The Dog]

I really am fucking tired of this shitstorm. The only reason they are on this so called list is because their Chinese and the orange cry baby hates Non-Americans.

If they were owned by Russia would you feel the same?

I'm not biased towards any countries citizens.

This isnt about its citizens, these are state owned companies.
So if the company making telecommunications equipment for you was owned by a state known for disinformation campaigns and open hostility towards your way of life, would you still trust it?

Its complete bullshit that American companies don't do the same thing.

In which, other countries can ban companies they feel are a concern.

China has banned American companies too.

I'm very shocked by the tech community when it comes to the topic of the Huawei trade ban. Its almost as if, because they make a product relevant to you (not just you) that all reasonableness goes out the window.

The US bans a company who concerns them. Any other country can do the same. They don't need proof, they don't need to point fingers at other countries to justify their decisions. e.g. The EU not banning Huawei doesn't mean the US is wrong. The EU joining in and banning Huawei doesn't mean its right either. Global policies are not something we can just write down a few sentences about and say we understand it. Nor can we sit here and act like the US is being obviously hypocritical or defensive about US tech (this one is obviously wrong since companies are losing money from this ban)

/rant

I think I'm sick of knee jerk responses to this topic now.

Actually, if you ban a company from doing business in your country, you had bloody well have a good reason for it. If not, you just created a bill of attainder and violated international trade law, both at the same time.

 

[Digital Dud]

Disclaimer: I'm an East European whose country is part of the EU.

Its funny for me to read the pro Trump/pro export ban rhetoric on these boards. The way people see the trade war led by Trump in my country is as follows:

1. USA is unable to compete with China on 5G, so he's using national security as pretext for the ban.
2. Trump is using the trade war on China and other countries a driver for his next election.

We were really rooting for the USA while we under soviet boot, but it is obvious that you guys are turning inwards, becoming more nationalistic as other countries or groups start challenging your economic might.

I myself welcome China's rise, competition is good, and USA doesn't look that friendly anymore if you're not an american.

This is just a problem with how the media reports things with no context given, it's always "Trump did this" and "Trump did that". The turn of policy on China in US is coming from a faction within the US government. It's rooted in a realization that we have been in an economic war with China for years and we're losing it. Many of these actions would happen with or without Trump and it's not likely to become an election issue either.

 

[daveishere]

Disclaimer: I'm an East European whose country is part of the EU.

Its funny for me to read the pro Trump/pro export ban rhetoric on these boards. The way people see the trade war led by Trump in my country is as follows:

1. USA is unable to compete with China on 5G, and decided to use national security as pretext for the ban.
2. Trump is using the trade war on China and other countries a driver for his next election.

We were really rooting for the USA while we under soviet boot, but it is obvious that you guys are turning inwards, becoming more nationalistic as a consequence of other countries or groups (EU) beginning to challenge your economic might.

I myself welcome China's rise, competition is good, and USA doesn't look that friendly anymore if you're not an american.

I am not 'pro-Trump'. I think he's a swine. However, I will assume China will spy on us just like we spy on them.

 

[Fabermetrics]

Actually, if you ban a company from doing business in your country, you had bloody well have a good reason for it. If not, you just created a bill of attainder and violated international trade law, both at the same time.

Right? Its about time we get to the bottom of why these companies are banned. Is there a reason? Why are so many US companies barred from operating inside mainland China?

 

[daveishere]

Actually, if you ban a company from doing business in your country, you had bloody well have a good reason for it. If not, you just created a bill of attainder and violated international trade law, both at the same time.

Right? Its about time we get to the bottom of why these companies are banned. Is there a reason? Why are so many US companies barred from operating inside mainland China?

Yeah. Only fair I say.

 

[Fabermetrics]

Actually, if you ban a company from doing business in your country, you had bloody well have a good reason for it. If not, you just created a bill of attainder and violated international trade law, both at the same time.

Right? Its about time we get to the bottom of why these companies are banned. Is there a reason? Why are so many US companies barred from operating inside mainland China?

Yeah. Only fair I say.

Its not only fair, its responsible. You would have to be a complete moron to let China continue to do what it has been doing to American IP and free trade. Its been a bipartisan issue for a long while. The propaganda arm of the Peoples Republic of China is in full force today on Ars.

 

[Ephesos]

I am not 'pro-Trump'. I think he's a swine. However, I will assume China will spy on us just like we spy on them.

Well, europeans know that USA, China and Russia are spying on us.

Ironically, I think most of the spying is coming from US companies as part of marketing campaigns and is fully transparent .

 

[Digital Dud]

Actually, if you ban a company from doing business in your country, you had bloody well have a good reason for it. If not, you just created a bill of attainder and violated international trade law, both at the same time.

Right? Its about time we get to the bottom of why these companies are banned. Is there a reason? Why are so many US companies barred from operating inside mainland China?

Yeah. Only fair I say.

Its not only fair, its responsible. You would have to be a complete moron to let China continue to do what it has been doing to American IP and free trade. Its been a bipartisan issue for a long while. The propaganda arm of the Peoples Republic of China is in full force today on Ars.

I think it's game theory that says "tit for tat" is the optimal strategy.

 

[daveishere]

I am not 'pro-Trump'. I think he's a swine. However, I will assume China will spy on us just like we spy on them.

Well, europeans know that USA, China and Russia are spying on us.

Ironically, I think most of the spying is coming from US companies as part of marketing campaigns and is fully transparent .

Cool. I got no problem with that. Everyone spies on everyone. I've made myself clear on this thread.