Huawei cancels MateBook laptop launch because of US export ban

MateBook launch cancelled for this week—and may not happen at all.

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I really am fucking tired of this shitstorm. The only reason they are on this so called list is because their Chinese and the orange cry baby hates Non-Americans.

If they were owned by Russia would you feel the same?

 

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I really am fucking tired of this shitstorm. The only reason they are on this so called list is because their Chinese and the orange cry baby hates Non-Americans.

If they were owned by Russia would you feel the same?

I'm not biased towards any countries citizens.

This isnt about its citizens, these are state owned companies.
So if the company making telecommunications equipment for you was owned by a state known for disinformation campaigns and open hostility towards your way of life, would you still trust it?

 

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Schadenfreude?

It was probably loaded with backdoors and Chinese government malware anyway....

/s

And of course better to have backdoors like Lenovo instead, right?

What-about-isms prove the concern being made, dont they?

 

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I really am fucking tired of this shitstorm. The only reason they are on this so called list is because their Chinese and the orange cry baby hates Non-Americans.

If they were owned by Russia would you feel the same?

I'm not biased towards any countries citizens.

This isnt about its citizens, these are state owned companies.
So if the company making telecommunications equipment for you was owned by a state known for disinformation campaigns and open hostility towards your way of life, would you still trust it?

By that logic, China should ban US technology companies?

I see no reason why Russia and china would trust the US. So I guess once again, whut-abutt-ism proves the concern is genuine.

 

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This isnt about its citizens, these are state owned companies.
So if the company making telecommunications equipment for you was owned by a state known for disinformation campaigns and open hostility towards your way of life, would you still trust it?

Huawei is not state-owned, it is employee-owned.

Now, like all Chinese-based companies, it is subject to coercion by the Chinese state and would not be able to say "no" if the Chinese government ordered them to add backdoors to their products and be quiet about it, but the same is also true of US companies with respect to the US government. Joe Nacchio at Qwest was the only telco executive to refuse to cooperate with George W. Bush's unconstitutional warrantless wiretapping of the Internet, and he was conveniently sent to prison for allegedly unrelated offenses. You can be certain the other US telecoms executives got the message loud and clear.

Glad you showed an example proving the threat of government coercion is very real in this day and age. Clearly the ban has good merits then.

 

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There have been no backdoors found in Huawei gear, either from the factory or added by the Chinese government.

Cisco gear was found to have backdoors that were planted by the NSA after production.

And yet I'm supposed to believe that Huawei is the problem, when there is evidence of the US doing what Huawei is accused of doing.

China needs to shut down Apple manufacturing for a couple of weeks so the people in the US that don't read this forum find out about the Huawei ban.

You know the US was caught because of a whistleblower right?
How do you expect a whistleblower to survive in China's surveillance state?
Odds are they are currently in one of the chinese death camps.

 

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Everyone who is against the ban here seems to also agree that the threat of a government backdoors is very real. Its an odd dichotomy that they admit the US and other governments do this thing, but that we should accept the threat from china, because we do it too? Why the hell would we do that? Do you really think the risk from China's backdoors and the US spying on us has the same weight in the event of conflict?

 

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China has placed restrictions and kept US companies out of its market for years. So why should Chinese companies get unrestricted access to the US when it is not the case the other way around? Especially when so far the US has only taken action against a very small number of Chinese companies that sell their goods in the US.

For people trying desperately to make this a partisan issue, it really isn't.

Just last year the DNC told Democrats not to use ZTE and Huawei devices ever, due to cybersecurity concerns:
https://www.theverge.com/2018/8/3/17649 ... ing-threat

Eariler this year a bi-partisan group of senators wanted to ban Huawei from the energy infrastructure due to cybersecurity concerns:
https://www.rollcall.com/news/congress/ ... astructure

Huawei is in trouble because people involved with that company are accused to lieing to US banks to break US sanctions with Iran, this alone would warrant the US from banning Huawei:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/ ... d5221a3d6d

Odd that the security problems with ZTE were solved by loaning Trump half a billion dollars for a hotel project.

Would you be placed in a death camp if you typed the words "Pooh Bear" right now?
Blink twice if you need rescue.

 

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Actually, if you ban a company from doing business in your country, you had bloody well have a good reason for it. If not, you just created a bill of attainder and violated international trade law, both at the same time.

Right? Its about time we get to the bottom of why these companies are banned. Is there a reason? Why are so many US companies barred from operating inside mainland China?

 

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Actually, if you ban a company from doing business in your country, you had bloody well have a good reason for it. If not, you just created a bill of attainder and violated international trade law, both at the same time.

Right? Its about time we get to the bottom of why these companies are banned. Is there a reason? Why are so many US companies barred from operating inside mainland China?

Yeah. Only fair I say.

Its not only fair, its responsible. You would have to be a complete moron to let China continue to do what it has been doing to American IP and free trade. Its been a bipartisan issue for a long while. The propaganda arm of the Peoples Republic of China is in full force today on Ars.

 

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Actually, if you ban a company from doing business in your country, you had bloody well have a good reason for it. If not, you just created a bill of attainder and violated international trade law, both at the same time.

Right? Its about time we get to the bottom of why these companies are banned. Is there a reason? Why are so many US companies barred from operating inside mainland China?

Yeah. Only fair I say.

Its not only fair, its responsible. You would have to be a complete moron to let China continue to do what it has been doing to American IP and free trade. Its been a bipartisan issue for a long while. The propaganda arm of the Peoples Republic of China is in full force today on Ars.

Actually, it is not so much PRC propaganda as the civilized world being sick to death of the post Trump United States. Any good will earned by the Obama administration has been quite thoroughly and permanently flushed. The United States can go to the bad place and burn forever.

Please stop making this about Trump. Its not.

Its a bipartisan issue:
Just last year the DNC told Democrats not to use ZTE and Huawei devices ever, due to cybersecurity concerns:
https://www.theverge.com/2018/8/3/17649 ... ing-threat

Eariler this year a bi-partisan group of senators wanted to ban Huawei from the energy infrastructure due to cybersecurity concerns:
https://www.rollcall.com/news/congress/ ... astructure

Huawei is in trouble because people involved with that company are accused to lieing to US banks to break US sanctions with Iran, this alone would warrant the US from banning Huawei:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/ ... d5221a3d6d

 

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Actually, if you ban a company from doing business in your country, you had bloody well have a good reason for it. If not, you just created a bill of attainder and violated international trade law, both at the same time.

Right? Its about time we get to the bottom of why these companies are banned. Is there a reason? Why are so many US companies barred from operating inside mainland China?

Yeah. Only fair I say.

Its not only fair, its responsible. You would have to be a complete moron to let China continue to do what it has been doing to American IP and free trade. Its been a bipartisan issue for a long while. The propaganda arm of the Peoples Republic of China is in full force today on Ars.

Combining American IP and Free Trade as concepts is weird, because other countries view IP differently.

USA is trying very hard to protect its edge on technology, you even have things like software patents, while software is not patentable under European law, not sure what China's view is on this.

My feel is that globalization and free trade was a neat concept for the USA, but only as long as it could lead, control and profit from the global economy. Once globalization gave rise to real competition against American companies, you no longer like it, and decided to turn inwards. Which is totally fine, I get it. But using pretexts like national security is dirty, and every other actor saw through it. Why not be open about it?

The trade war is certainly about Chinas breaking of free trade rules, correct.

But banning this corrupt company is clearly because of security concerns.


Just last year the DNC told Democrats not to use ZTE and Huawei devices ever, due to cybersecurity concerns:
https://www.theverge.com/2018/8/3/17649 ... ing-threat

Eariler this year a bi-partisan group of senators wanted to ban Huawei from the energy infrastructure due to cybersecurity concerns:
https://www.rollcall.com/news/congress/ ... astructure

Huawei is in trouble because people involved with that company are accused to lieing to US banks to break US sanctions with Iran, this alone would warrant the US from banning Huawei:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/ ... d5221a3d6d

 

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Actually, if you ban a company from doing business in your country, you had bloody well have a good reason for it. If not, you just created a bill of attainder and violated international trade law, both at the same time.

Right? Its about time we get to the bottom of why these companies are banned. Is there a reason? Why are so many US companies barred from operating inside mainland China?

Yeah. Only fair I say.

Its not only fair, its responsible. You would have to be a complete moron to let China continue to do what it has been doing to American IP and free trade. Its been a bipartisan issue for a long while. The propaganda arm of the Peoples Republic of China is in full force today on Ars.

Actually, it is not so much PRC propaganda as the civilized world being sick to death of the post Trump United States. Any good will earned by the Obama administration has been quite thoroughly and permanently flushed. The United States can go to the bad place and burn forever.

Also lets not ignore the hypocrisy of you hating Trump but somehow find China, with its literal death camps for Muslims, organ harvesting factories for political prisoners, 24/7 surveillance, and strong arming of EU and Canadian citizens, as acceptable.

Youre clearly biased and hold the USA to a higher standard. We are flattered, but again if you want china to run the world I pray for you.