High-tech spectrometry and traditional knowledge shed light on an ancient industry.
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I thought the same thing. On the other hand, while it can't show that they used the same process, "you can make it in half the time compared with using corn" seems like a valuable insight."Fortunately, a member of Nash's local excavation crew had an aunt in a remote village who still brewed old-school moye chicha, and she evidently didn't mind showing a group of archaeologists how it was done."
It seems like a bit of a stretch to go from "old school - this is how they did it when I was a girl" to "old school - this is how they did it over a thousand years ago."
I work for Festivals, and I could not wait to see someone recreating a so old one, with art, culture, booze (chicha!) in this beautiful place: it could be one of the best experience possible!
No, it isn't much of a stretch."Fortunately, a member of Nash's local excavation crew had an aunt in a remote village who still brewed old-school moye chicha, and she evidently didn't mind showing a group of archaeologists how it was done."
It seems like a bit of a stretch to go from "old school - this is how they did it when I was a girl" to "old school - this is how they did it over a thousand years ago."
Actually it was because water wasnt safe to drink back then untreated so a little wine or other alcoholic beverage mixed with water killed enough pathogens to make the water safe to drink. Even little kids drank this to avoid getting diseases. Some of course loved to drink but there were many people who didnt drink to get drunk. In the Ancient Middle East there were different wines for everyday sanitizing of water then cooking wine and finally the expensive good tasting wines for drinking to merriment.The evidence is tilting heavily in favour of us cultivating grains, not for bread or fried rice, but for getting wasted. ...
"Fortunately, a member of Nash's local excavation crew had an aunt in a remote village who still brewed old-school moye chicha, and she evidently didn't mind showing a group of archaeologists how it was done."
It seems like a bit of a stretch to go from "old school - this is how they did it when I was a girl" to "old school - this is how they did it over a thousand years ago."
No, it isn't much of a stretch.
Egyptians, ca. 3000 B.C.E., discovered the basic process for making beer (booze with grains) that we still follow to this day. Take grain > soak it > let it sprout > dry it (collectively known as malting) > soak it in warm water (mashing) > ferment the sugar water. Everything we've done since then basically amounts to process improvements from higher yielding grains with greater diastatic properties (basically, more enzymes for converting starches to sugar), to scaling up the process with steam, electricity, and really big tanks. But the basic process of malt, mash, ferment has been unchanged in at least 5,000 years.
Ehhhhh, the "booze for clean drinking water" connection is ... a little off until you reach the absolutely repulsive urban living conditions of the industrial revolution. Untreated well / river / standing water has been the standard for us for a very, very long time. And it still is for about a quarter of us. There have been, in recorded history, relatively few people whose sole method of hydration has been booze [edit] because making booze is energy and labour-intensive [edit].Actually it was because water wasnt safe to drink back then untreated so a little wine or other alcoholic beverage mixed with water killed enough pathogens to make the water safe to drink. Even little kids drank this to avoid getting diseases. Some of course loved to drink but there were many people who didnt drink to get drunk. In the Ancient Middle East there were different wines for everyday sanitizing of water then cooking wine and finally the expensive good tasting wines for drinking to merriment.The evidence is tilting heavily in favour of us cultivating grains, not for bread or fried rice, but for getting wasted. ...
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You just need an instagram account and a few models and celebrities to take pictures of in the Andes, and the money will just start rolling in!
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Factually incorrect, throughout the European medieval period alcohol was the stranded drink. Small beer was used rather than the stronger ales. The brewing industry was quite literally a cottage industry dominated by women. It's wasn't until the 17th century's urbanisations that much larger breweries run by men as a full time occupation that it changed.Ehhhhh, the "booze for clean drinking water" connection is ... a little off until you reach the absolutely repulsive urban living conditions of the industrial revolution. Untreated well / river / standing water has been the standard for us for a very, very long time. And it still is for about a quarter of us. There have been, in recorded history, relatively few people whose sole method of hydration has been booze [edit] because making booze is energy and labour-intensive [edit].Actually it was because water wasnt safe to drink back then untreated so a little wine or other alcoholic beverage mixed with water killed enough pathogens to make the water safe to drink. Even little kids drank this to avoid getting diseases. Some of course loved to drink but there were many people who didnt drink to get drunk. In the Ancient Middle East there were different wines for everyday sanitizing of water then cooking wine and finally the expensive good tasting wines for drinking to merriment.The evidence is tilting heavily in favour of us cultivating grains, not for bread or fried rice, but for getting wasted. ...
I may have been flippant about my assertion that we were brewing solely to get lit. If you're drinking young, unfiltered booze, you're likely getting a crapton of B vitamins and easier to digest minerals from the yeast and bacteria slurry you're also chugging, but the primary reason to drink booze for the ancients really does appear to have been getting lit. Or, euphemistically, "ceremonial us."
Factually incorrect, throughout the European medieval period alcohol was the stranded drink. Small beer was used rather than the stronger ales. The brewing industry was quite literally a cottage industry dominated by women. It's wasn't until the 17th century's urbanisations that much larger breweries run by men as a full time occupation that it changed.Ehhhhh, the "booze for clean drinking water" connection is ... a little off until you reach the absolutely repulsive urban living conditions of the industrial revolution. Untreated well / river / standing water has been the standard for us for a very, very long time. And it still is for about a quarter of us. There have been, in recorded history, relatively few people whose sole method of hydration has been booze [edit] because making booze is energy and labour-intensive [edit].Actually it was because water wasnt safe to drink back then untreated so a little wine or other alcoholic beverage mixed with water killed enough pathogens to make the water safe to drink. Even little kids drank this to avoid getting diseases. Some of course loved to drink but there were many people who didnt drink to get drunk. In the Ancient Middle East there were different wines for everyday sanitizing of water then cooking wine and finally the expensive good tasting wines for drinking to merriment.The evidence is tilting heavily in favour of us cultivating grains, not for bread or fried rice, but for getting wasted. ...
I may have been flippant about my assertion that we were brewing solely to get lit. If you're drinking young, unfiltered booze, you're likely getting a crapton of B vitamins and easier to digest minerals from the yeast and bacteria slurry you're also chugging, but the primary reason to drink booze for the ancients really does appear to have been getting lit. Or, euphemistically, "ceremonial us."
Heh, "relatively few people whose sole method of hydration has been booze." Medieval Europeans are a relatively small number of people. I know the history, that's why I had the weasel sentence in my post.Factually incorrect, throughout the European medieval period alcohol was the stranded drink. Small beer was used rather than the stronger ales. The brewing industry was quite literally a cottage industry dominated by women. It's wasn't until the 17th century's urbanisations that much larger breweries run by men as a full time occupation that it changed.Ehhhhh, the "booze for clean drinking water" connection is ... a little off until you reach the absolutely repulsive urban living conditions of the industrial revolution. Untreated well / river / standing water has been the standard for us for a very, very long time. And it still is for about a quarter of us. There have been, in recorded history, relatively few people whose sole method of hydration has been booze [edit] because making booze is energy and labour-intensive [edit].Actually it was because water wasnt safe to drink back then untreated so a little wine or other alcoholic beverage mixed with water killed enough pathogens to make the water safe to drink. Even little kids drank this to avoid getting diseases. Some of course loved to drink but there were many people who didnt drink to get drunk. In the Ancient Middle East there were different wines for everyday sanitizing of water then cooking wine and finally the expensive good tasting wines for drinking to merriment.The evidence is tilting heavily in favour of us cultivating grains, not for bread or fried rice, but for getting wasted. ...
I may have been flippant about my assertion that we were brewing solely to get lit. If you're drinking young, unfiltered booze, you're likely getting a crapton of B vitamins and easier to digest minerals from the yeast and bacteria slurry you're also chugging, but the primary reason to drink booze for the ancients really does appear to have been getting lit. Or, euphemistically, "ceremonial us."
78 million lived in Europe in 1300.Heh, "relatively few people whose sole method of hydration has been booze." Medieval Europeans are a relatively small number of people. I know the history, that's why I had the weasel sentence in my post.Factually incorrect, throughout the European medieval period alcohol was the stranded drink. Small beer was used rather than the stronger ales. The brewing industry was quite literally a cottage industry dominated by women. It's wasn't until the 17th century's urbanisations that much larger breweries run by men as a full time occupation that it changed.Ehhhhh, the "booze for clean drinking water" connection is ... a little off until you reach the absolutely repulsive urban living conditions of the industrial revolution. Untreated well / river / standing water has been the standard for us for a very, very long time. And it still is for about a quarter of us. There have been, in recorded history, relatively few people whose sole method of hydration has been booze [edit] because making booze is energy and labour-intensive [edit].Actually it was because water wasnt safe to drink back then untreated so a little wine or other alcoholic beverage mixed with water killed enough pathogens to make the water safe to drink. Even little kids drank this to avoid getting diseases. Some of course loved to drink but there were many people who didnt drink to get drunk. In the Ancient Middle East there were different wines for everyday sanitizing of water then cooking wine and finally the expensive good tasting wines for drinking to merriment.The evidence is tilting heavily in favour of us cultivating grains, not for bread or fried rice, but for getting wasted. ...
I may have been flippant about my assertion that we were brewing solely to get lit. If you're drinking young, unfiltered booze, you're likely getting a crapton of B vitamins and easier to digest minerals from the yeast and bacteria slurry you're also chugging, but the primary reason to drink booze for the ancients really does appear to have been getting lit. Or, euphemistically, "ceremonial us."
Out of a world population of ~360 million. And it's unclear how many of those medieval Europeans would have used booze as their sole form of hydration. Yeah, about 1/5 of humanity extant at the time is relatively few.78 million lived in Europe in 1300.
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Inside the mass spectrometer, the sample is heated to about 9,000⁰C, which is hot enough to break down the bonds that hold molecules together. This leaves charged atoms, which get sorted by mass.
That is a very complicated question.Ferment how? Any random yeast or bacteria that falls into it?
...I smell a fad ready to descend upon Brooklyn and other parts of NYC. Authentic artisanal gluten-free chicha, made using traditional methods, only $20 a glass, follow us on Instagram!
Definitely need to try this when I hopefully visit Machu Pichu or just Central / South America in general.
Actually it was because water wasnt safe to drink back then untreated so a little wine or other alcoholic beverage mixed with water killed enough pathogens to make the water safe to drink. Even little kids drank this to avoid getting diseases. Some of course loved to drink but there were many people who didnt drink to get drunk. In the Ancient Middle East there were different wines for everyday sanitizing of water then cooking wine and finally the expensive good tasting wines for drinking to merriment.The evidence is tilting heavily in favour of us cultivating grains, not for bread or fried rice, but for getting wasted. ...
...I smell a fad ready to descend upon Brooklyn and other parts of NYC. Authentic artisanal gluten-free chicha, made using traditional methods, only $20 a glass, follow us on Instagram!
Definitely need to try this when I hopefully visit Machu Pichu or just Central / South America in general.
I work for Festivals, and I could not wait to see someone recreating a so old one, with art, culture, booze (chicha!) in this beautiful place: it could be one of the best experience possible!
That is a very complicated question.Ferment how? Any random yeast or bacteria that falls into it?
Clearly, "let 'er rip" has been a thing since antiquity, and is still practiced by some lambic breweries and anyone with a wide open coolship.
But ... it's not hard to take the slurry of yeast and bacteria from a good batch of beer and use it to kickstart the next batch. Or even just getting the next batch of wort into the "special vessel" where a nice blend of yeast and bacteria has taken hold. We've likely been doing that since we've been making booze. And repitching yeast (from, usually, a pure culture) is the way we still do things commercially.
5k? Much older than that. Pottery that is around 13k years old has been found with beer residue, and since it was occasionally brewed in stumps and the like it's very probably older than that. Hell, there's rules and procedures about beer in the Code of Hammurabi, as well various other places (up to and including prayers).So beer has been brewed for roughly 5k years... I wonder how long after it was invented there was some variation of
"You think that's hard? Hold my beer..."
No, it isn't much of a stretch."Fortunately, a member of Nash's local excavation crew had an aunt in a remote village who still brewed old-school moye chicha, and she evidently didn't mind showing a group of archaeologists how it was done."
It seems like a bit of a stretch to go from "old school - this is how they did it when I was a girl" to "old school - this is how they did it over a thousand years ago."
...But the basic process of malt, mash, ferment has been unchanged in at least 5,000 years.
Passing down knowledge of how to ferment something for 1,000 years? That's nothing for humans. We've passed down knowledge of how to make the same style of tools for tens of thousands of years. We've passed down knowledge of how to make cave art, in the same cave system, for thousands of years..
Frankly, we really fucking love getting lit. Really, really love it. The evidence is tilting heavily in favour of us cultivating grains, not for bread or fried rice, but for getting wasted. It is, literally, one of the easiest things in the world of archaeology to imagine we've more or less faithfully passed down knowledge of how to brew over a relatively short timespan like 1,000 years.r.
That is a very complicated question.Ferment how? Any random yeast or bacteria that falls into it?
Clearly, "let 'er rip" has been a thing since antiquity, and is still practiced by some lambic breweries and anyone with a wide open coolship.
But ... it's not hard to take the slurry of yeast and bacteria from a good batch of beer and use it to kickstart the next batch. Or even just getting the next batch of wort into the "special vessel" where a nice blend of yeast and bacteria has taken hold. We've likely been doing that since we've been making booze. And repitching yeast (from, usually, a pure culture) is the way we still do things commercially.
Ferment how? Any random yeast or bacteria that falls into it?
Actually it was because water wasnt safe to drink back then untreated so a little wine or other alcoholic beverage mixed with water killed enough pathogens to make the water safe to drink. Even little kids drank this to avoid getting diseases. Some of course loved to drink but there were many people who didnt drink to get drunk. In the Ancient Middle East there were different wines for everyday sanitizing of water then cooking wine and finally the expensive good tasting wines for drinking to merriment.The evidence is tilting heavily in favour of us cultivating grains, not for bread or fried rice, but for getting wasted. ...
Surely boiling would be quicker, easier and more effective, or did they not know about it?
Oh look it's Google expert. Guess fucking what not everything on the internet is true. Try reading medieval literature and you will discover the alewife, but don't bother with centuries of contemporary writing let's go to blog on food.