Gamers react with overwhelming disgust to DLSS 5’s generative AI glow-ups
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Digging out of the shadows shows he's a bit cross-eyed. But you can brighten the shadows on the original through conventional image processing and he's just as cross eyed.
The shadows also help hide the strange bug where you can still see his eyes when he blinks. That one is really unsettling. But it's there in the original as well, but the shadow help hide it.
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...Is that how you get a pegasus? People are wonderfully weird, but I think I'll count myself out of that particular fandom.
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No expert here, but in the examples shown in the piece, I liked the dlss-versions better...?
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Legit concern..but it seems weird that they'd let me disable something like anti-aliasing, but not a pretty major performance feature like DLSS5. We can disable other DLSS versions, why wouldn't they let us disable 5?
One "forced" example I can think of is ray-tracing, which some games require because I guess they just don't want the game to exist without it (too much alternate lighting work). However, that's a dev decision not an nvidia decision. Of course, for many games that support ray tracing, you can disable it anyway.
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Read the 1st and 11th page of comments.
As long as I can disable it, I'm fine. Since we can tweak other DLSS settings, I'm not sure why they wouldn't let us do that same with this one.
As far as visuals go, I'm more with Digital Foundry: I think the visuals do look good. However, it's a little unsettling when you realize they only look good because they're basically being artistically reinterpreted in a significant and arbitrary way.
This seems like it'd be a great tool for game devs to use with a high degree of intentionality so that they can aim for higher fidelity and make sure it's still creating their desired visual targets, but it's a little funky as a "use it with old stuff" graphics enhancement filter that essentially mucks with the game's visuals. That's the type of feature that I would expect from a mod or something.
I'm for seeing what the tech can manage though--as long as I can turn it off if I want. I want to see what it does to Commander Keen games.
As long as I can disable it, I'm fine. Since we can tweak other DLSS settings, I'm not sure why they wouldn't let us do that same with this one.
As far as visuals go, I'm more with Digital Foundry: I think the visuals do look good. However, it's a little unsettling when you realize they only look good because they're basically being artistically reinterpreted in a significant and arbitrary way.
This seems like it'd be a great tool for game devs to use with a high degree of intentionality so that they can aim for higher fidelity and make sure it's still creating their desired visual targets, but it's a little funky as a "use it with old stuff" graphics enhancement filter that essentially mucks with the game's visuals. That's the type of feature that I would expect from a mod or something.
I'm for seeing what the tech can manage though--as long as I can turn it off if I want. I want to see what it does to Commander Keen games.
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Smoking used to be common too. Cigarette smoking overall by U.S. adults was 42.4% in 1965. Just because something is commonly used doesn't mean it's good, or healthy.
https://www.lung.org/research/trends-in-lung-disease/tobacco-trends-brief/overall-smoking-trends
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After 412 comments, I'm probably a little late to the party. But, am I the only one who found the following quote contradictory?
"This will all be under our artists’ control, and totally optional for players.”
If players can turn a feature on or off, it's not totally under the artists' control is it?
"This will all be under our artists’ control, and totally optional for players.”
If players can turn a feature on or off, it's not totally under the artists' control is it?
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The output from DLSS 5 is, supposedly, under developer control. It doesn't sound like there's a whole lot of control, but you can apparently mask things out, for example. Or control the "strength" of the effect. Maybe the problem here was someone cranking the strength to emphasize the differences, like everyone was doing for "HDR" photography and video back in the day.
Toggling a setting is nothing new for PC gamers. One doesn't exclude the other.
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Oh that's exciting. I just watched overlord a few nights ago from 2018 and thought it felt a lot like a Wolfenstein movie lol
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I always scratch my head when a dozen people would post in a thread about some comment getting hidden by downvotes, and you look at the totals and it's like -21/+2.
If all the complaining about it just upvoted it, it wouldn't be hidden.
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EA pays millions for players' likenesses for their FIFA games. Using a filter that makes the players look less like their real-life counterpart seems counterproductive, art direction or no.
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Yep, it's interpretation of "lighting" on the face actually is an improvement in this instance. the face itself is rather significantly altered from original artistic intent (pretty sure a medieval boatman shouldn't have hair THAT shiny), but putting that aside for a moment... here's where we're at. We can get accurate lighting with path tracing, or DLSS 5. Which one's more expensive in real time? At the moment, path tracing is a bit beyond even a 5090 at what most players consider an acceptable framerate. Give it a few generations (presuming we can even BUY computer hardware a few generations from now), and it won't be. DLSS 5? With frame generation, it looks doable now, but is this going to eat up more and more horsepower the more there is to throw at it? If their goals are to make it look "better", very likely, where tech like ray tracing and path tracing are more of a fixed target in how they work.
I still can't get over how it's basically erasing the original artistic intent. Why does EVERYONE get a layer of freckles? Never mind that "AI sheen" all over everything, we're about to enter a point where the question "did we look at the same game?" is going to be literal, as two people may in fact not be looking at the same game if a lot of people start turning this thing on. This reminds me of those laughable amateurish "fixed" versions of video game character models that incel types were spitting out for any character they thought was ugly.
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That's a good point! Yes, what about FIFA's art direction? Slapping a filter to "pretty up" what was originally intended to look like actual sports stars seems like something neither the designers nor the playerbase would actually want. I thank you for bringing this example of another area where this tech hurts the product to our attention.
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It's not a non-sequitur, it's an extreme counterexample to your claim, to make a point. Your argument was that people should learn to accept it because it's commonly used, and my example showed that "common" doesn't equal "good."
There are such things as fads. This is like claiming "Furbys are incredibly popular, so there will never be a point where they fall out of favor." Or use Labubus, Beanie Babies, Pogs, or NFTs instead. Hell, as I just pointed out, smoking used to be incredibly popular, and there was a point you really couldn't avoid it in public. But then the harmful effects it had became known, and it dropped in popularity, along with increased regulation and restrictions on where one could smoke.
Just because a stance is in the minority, doesn't mean it's wrong. Maybe you should stop being so desperate to conform to what you think the majority opinion is on everything and, you know, think for yourself and have your own opinions, and not be afraid to voice them.
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Please call us back when these companies post a profit on their services. Until then, I'll just go on assuming those numbers are just paid publicity.
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Sounds as if the developers involved were told to implement it:
In other words, you can expect more executives to push this, despite opposition from people doing the work.
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And my point is that they are clearly not as subtle as you claim.
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I don't think it was a legit comparison, but another meme that someone mistook for a real DLSS 5 example.
This meme is more obvious:
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Since there is a neural filter, isn't there a chance the characters will look different each time you run into them again/reload your file?
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We are having a nuanced discussion. You can discuss without coming to a consensus.
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It was another video, not from the nVidia channel or a presentation, but from somebody that had talked with nVidia's engineers about the technology. Maybe nVidia took it down
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My apologies, I didn't realize that it's everybody except you who has a hard opinion.
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Ah so there's two fakes, but neither one is that far off from what this tech is doing to the art already. To think they thought anyone would prefer an Indy that didn't look like Harrison Ford! (Note to future readers from 2058 AD, this has probably aged poorly ever since your new young actor absolutely INHABITED the role to a degree Ford could only dream of. I know that the stage play is likely amazing with the new actor on tour, in the wake of the desperation of the Great Ravine making the days of watching shows on electronic displays seem like decadence to you.)
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As I said earlier. DLSS 5 is for publishers. Not developers, and not gamers.
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disgust is saying it lightly. this AI slop deserves all of the hate it is getting.
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the only ones controlling this AI slop crap are publishers and corporate management.
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