Kirk Milhoan's comments come as federal vaccine policy slides to insignificance.
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Do we really need polio shots? Deep thoughts by RFK Jr. advisor get dragged.
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I know people who were afflicted with polio when they were young. I've seen what it does. Following the success of the vaccines, few people in the US now have any idea what a horrible scourge it was.
RFK jr and his minions are monsters.
RFK jr and his minions are monsters.
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As frustrated as we all are let's not call for publicly executing people
Can't wait till we guillotine this ghoul and his ilk when we get the country back.
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Science is only what's observable to him?
Let's run a trial, leave him on an island with some rabid dogs. First, we'll test without vaccinating him, then maybe if he lives, we'll do round 2.
Let's run a trial, leave him on an island with some rabid dogs. First, we'll test without vaccinating him, then maybe if he lives, we'll do round 2.
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Elections have consequences. Sometimes those consequences take the form of iron lungs.
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Where the hell did this quack get his medical degree, The School of Phlogiston and Miasma Studies?
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The sanitation thing about polio is especially dark comedy.
One of the leading theories of the 20th century paralytic polio epidemic was improved sanitation. Prior to indoor plumbing, the vast majority of people were exposed to polio in their first few months of life. During that time, they are still protected by parental antibodies, and thus able to protect themselves while they develop their own immune system. Thus, polio was common but paralysis was relatively uncommon. Improved sanitation, while very important for controlling polio, initially meant that many more people were not exposed until they were 5-15 years old. At which time they no longer had protective antibodies and were much more likely to develop paralysis.
One of the leading theories of the 20th century paralytic polio epidemic was improved sanitation. Prior to indoor plumbing, the vast majority of people were exposed to polio in their first few months of life. During that time, they are still protected by parental antibodies, and thus able to protect themselves while they develop their own immune system. Thus, polio was common but paralysis was relatively uncommon. Improved sanitation, while very important for controlling polio, initially meant that many more people were not exposed until they were 5-15 years old. At which time they no longer had protective antibodies and were much more likely to develop paralysis.
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Don’t worry y’all, they’re just pretending to be absolute fucking morons and ghouls, they’d never actually, I don’t know, GET RID OF THE FUCKING POLIO VACCINE.
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Unfortunately, the consequences often bear no strong connection with only those who set those consequences in motion.
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I'm going to guess some online course gave him that degree; when I hear statements like his -- and he's apparently a PEDIATRIC CARDIOLOGIST -- I wonder how many kids he's killed. He clearly doesn't have the expertise to provide any medical service.
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jonbob_newcastle
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Reminds me of an old chestnut:
What do you call someone who graduates from medical school at the bottom of their class?
Doctor.
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There is something so incredibly wrong with these people, people who are old enough to have known victims of polio, quite possibly in their own families.
The infuriating thing is that polio grabbed hold of the public awareness once we had clean water. What used to be called infantile paralysis was later called polio. Most people got infected with the polio virus when they were extremely young, like under 2, if not as newborns, and primarily showed up as diarrhea. For whatever reason, those young children are able to fight it off better, though not perfectly. The older you are when you get it, up to adulthood, the worse it can be, extending into paralysis, breathing problems, heart problems (a pediatric cardiologist should know about this), and death.
Dr. Milhoan suggests that maybe modern hygiene means we don't have to worry about it. No, Dr. Miloan. It may sound like a paradox, but modern hygiene means that we have to worry about it even more.
The infuriating thing is that polio grabbed hold of the public awareness once we had clean water. What used to be called infantile paralysis was later called polio. Most people got infected with the polio virus when they were extremely young, like under 2, if not as newborns, and primarily showed up as diarrhea. For whatever reason, those young children are able to fight it off better, though not perfectly. The older you are when you get it, up to adulthood, the worse it can be, extending into paralysis, breathing problems, heart problems (a pediatric cardiologist should know about this), and death.
Dr. Milhoan suggests that maybe modern hygiene means we don't have to worry about it. No, Dr. Miloan. It may sound like a paradox, but modern hygiene means that we have to worry about it even more.
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Americans are going to hate this but other countries are going to have to bring vaccine records / cards back just for Americans if this ends up actually happening.
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Jefferson Medical College, with a PhD from UCSD, where he also did his medical residency. Both are good schools. But even good schools can graduate bad people.
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Measles is bad enough... but Polio ain't no goddamned joke. I have older cousins, who grew up before the vaccine was publicly available, some of whom are disfigured for life because of that disease.
This whack-job has no business being anywhere near the field of medicine. If only quackery were a crime.
This whack-job has no business being anywhere near the field of medicine. If only quackery were a crime.
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And they will be American iron lungs, the best iron lungs, the greatest ever made. Built by Americans for Americans.
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poke 532810
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If I face-palmed every time this regime did something boneheadedly stupid, I wouldn’t have a face left.
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Pfft, with modern' medical insurance, we'll be damn lucky if we get Tin Lungs.
(Edit: not sure this joke actually lands...on looking at it, it turns out that most metals are actually more expensive than iron, at least in terms of bulk prices...)
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Some of the most ignorant people I know are MD's. And I know many MD's.
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Keith Tanner
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I think that's a big part of the problem. Polio is long enough in the past that many people don't have that personal connection anymore. Sure, you might hear about great-grandpa's leg not really working right, but that's theoretical. Those of us who are old enough to have actual direct personal contact with polio-damaged people are in the minority
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Violence is never a good answer, although denouncing and taking the moral high road doesn't seem to be stopping these evil bastards...
How about something more suitably antiquated? Something to match all the anti-science, puritanical idiocy. Maybe "swimming a witch", where we could declare them innocent of harming all these people if they drown
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His license to kill children ... I mean, practice ... should be revoked. Why would you put any trust in this dishonest and unprincipled practitioner. He's based in ... wait for it ... Texass.
From the New York Times: He said that he did have “concerns” that some children might die of measles or become paralyzed with polio as a result of a choice not to vaccinate. But, he said, “I also am saddened when people die of alcoholic diseases,” adding, “Freedom of choice and bad health outcomes.”
From the Independent Medical Alliance (whatever that is): "Beyond his medical contributions, Dr. Milhoan has been actively involved in leading home groups and Bible studies for over 20 years" Got polio? Thoughts and prayers.
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These nutters should be made to lie in an iron lung for a month. See if learning by experiencing has an effect.
My guess, though, is that learning itself might be the core challenge. Because their affliction is one not treatable by any vaccine, medicine or magical potion, not by tonnes of red meat and raw milk.
The only treatment here is prevention by way of the administration of a good system of public education. To late for these poor people, sadly.
My guess, though, is that learning itself might be the core challenge. Because their affliction is one not treatable by any vaccine, medicine or magical potion, not by tonnes of red meat and raw milk.
The only treatment here is prevention by way of the administration of a good system of public education. To late for these poor people, sadly.
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How do these clowns get thru medical school or what has happened to send them down the loony road afterwards?
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So this quack is a right wing fundamentalist grifter who is part of a group that was pushing horse dewormer to cure COVID and is a pastor at a fundamentalist church that refused to quarantine practices during COVID.
Here's a bit about the quack's horse dewormer organization.
Here's a bit about the quack's horse dewormer organization.
Below are screenshots of the grifting quack in his malpractice role and Bible banger role.
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Has Milhoan asked Mitch McConnell about what happens without a polio vaccine? If Mitch McConnell can still remember after all these years and falls.
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Show Me your science
Show Me your gold-standard double-blind case studies
Show Me evidence of your alleged links between vaccines and [pick anything]
You talk the talk, but have nothing to back it up.
I'm literally from MO (yeah, it sucks), so SHOW ME or GTFO
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Education doesn’t necessarily make good or smart people. Who were the biggest supporters of the Nazis by demographic?
Doctors, lawyers, and engineers.
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Ah, but then we need to use "raw water" in the baby formula. Problem solved!
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US should get rid of all the speed limits. Personal freedom is more important than so called scientific data on casualities. My personal expierence from speeding so far is that nobody got harmed.
And anyway unlike playing kids I feel way more protected in my truck, so I should have my freedom.
And anyway unlike playing kids I feel way more protected in my truck, so I should have my freedom.
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...how is this misleading? Even with the chance to avoid infection reducing "overall" risk it's still orders of magnitude more dangerous to not get vaccinated.
Covid has killed over a million Americans while the covid vaccine has killed...0. Those aggregate statistics include all the people who never got Covid (few as they are) -- in fact, that statistic does not include the pain of quarantining, the symptoms of Covid, or any of the long term effects including elevated risk of cardiac conditions or brain fog.
When you look at overall harms from an illness across a total population you are automatically including the population who never get infected. And including those the risk from vaccines is still, easily, an order of magnitude less.
Say you live in Maine, far away from any current measles outbreak. It is still far more than 10x more likely that you could somehow be exposed to measles by a traveler and catch it from them and have a severe case than you are to have a serious complication from the vaccine. Saying that the vaccine is "orders of magnitude" safer is still accurate.
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We are so close to completely eradicating Polio. When no one would ever have to get a vaccine for it ever again. This isn't politics or science or a matter of rights. It's medical terrorism.
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That this sad excuse for a medical (ahem) 'professional' even suggests stopping vaccination so that we just rely on natural defense and recovery (or not) is abhorrent.
Regarding the far-right often invoked "herd immunity" which seems their goal:
So, it seems that may be what they are aiming for, lots of sick people, some or many of whom die or are severely injured in order for the rest of the surviving population to become immunized.
Excepting of course that diseases like flu, COVID, etc. change quickly enough that so-called herd immunity cannot be achieved. Even if it was ethically responsible.
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