Sen. Markey: Database of peaceful protesters, if it exists, should be shut down.
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“Capture it all”: ICE urged to explain memo about collecting info on protesters
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If they want to easily capture information on domestic terrorists, their best course of action is to save off the ICE HR database.
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Will ICE tatoo the protester's unique ID onto their lower-left arm for easier subsequent identification?
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Let's suppose such a database exists and ICE confirms it. Or more likely given this administration - lies about it.
What consequences are there? Will ICE be shut down? Are people going to be jailed for such gross violations of the constitution? (Ignoring the fact that ICE already is...)
Seems to me the line of questioning - while important - is also, unfortunately, largely toothless.
What consequences are there? Will ICE be shut down? Are people going to be jailed for such gross violations of the constitution? (Ignoring the fact that ICE already is...)
Seems to me the line of questioning - while important - is also, unfortunately, largely toothless.
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Increasing the pool of acceptable targets until everyone complies or dies is typical secret police behavior.
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Isn't there an abuse vector here? If you want to get rid of your annoying neighbor, then borrow their car and park it near an anti-ICE protest. Then they might get a free vacation to El Salvador. It's not like they'll get a trial anyway.
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Everyone on that list deserves some kind of prize for standing up and defending democracy. They have nothing to be ashamed of.
On the serious side, publishing that database would obviously expose the protestors to vitriolic and violent right-wing groups in a wildly illegal way. I hope for their sake it never happens.
On the serious side, publishing that database would obviously expose the protestors to vitriolic and violent right-wing groups in a wildly illegal way. I hope for their sake it never happens.
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The SPD has convened a hearing to discuss the possibility of creating a fact-finding mission to gather data in order to support the position that maybe the Gestapo need body-cams and sensitivity training.
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I still remember when the Soviet NKVD took over my democratic country from what my grandpa told me, and when they simply "disappeared" people like my university teacher's father in 1946. I do remember when the Soviets invaded again from what my grandma and mother told me, them having witnessed it firsthand with people fighting them on the streets. I do remember what it was like when the secret police of our now Warsaw Pact country came for us, going through our home searching for samizdat books, even though their apparatchiks accepted the Hague Human Rights agreement, for all it was worth (about the same your sacred constitution is worth now).
I believe it must have been the same for all the people witnessing the Beer Hall Putsch and its later 1939 repercussions.
Welcome to 1939 Nazi Germany, the United States of America. I really, really hope you can get through it, but I don't really have that much hope for you anymore.
I believe it must have been the same for all the people witnessing the Beer Hall Putsch and its later 1939 repercussions.
Welcome to 1939 Nazi Germany, the United States of America. I really, really hope you can get through it, but I don't really have that much hope for you anymore.
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This is horrible. I'm outraged but not surprised. The FBI and the CIA have played this game before, notably during the Civil Rights and Anti-War movements. And of course we all know about the Red Scare. People in power are often some of the worst people, and the use that power exactly how you would think they would.
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I think these authoritarian tactics are not accidents, I guess they hoped people just wouldn't notice?
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It's never been an accident, but the imperial boomerang is catching "mainstream" Americans now.
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What is the Ars official stance on this and by extension Condé Nast ?
If DHS requests information from Ars, will they turn over all their members information?
If DHS requests information from Ars, will they turn over all their members information?
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As hillspuck said, this has happened multiple times in the USA even after the lessons learned by defeating fascists and Nazis overseas.
We sadly just have to keep learning the lesson domestically as well.
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Well, maybe the Democrats will grow a spine (and some republicans if they still own their souls...doubtful though). DHS is only funded for a couple weeks so far.
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I can't wait until the inevitable data breach happens and I start getting spam tailored to me based on precisely which protests I've participated in.
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Less fun when you realize those people will probably wear such T-shirts in reeducation camps before the end of the year.Does a t-shirt come with it?
ICE says I'm a domestic terrorist!
The Trump gestapo is fond of memes.
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I'm starting to wonder if we should start making a list of people for even thinking incorrectly. Those subversives don't occur spontaneously, we can really nip this in the bud. /s
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This is after all the administration that started the Weaponization Working Group on day one.
The cognitive dissonance in this administration is enough to create a black hole
The cognitive dissonance in this administration is enough to create a black hole
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They’ll just deny it. There is and will be zero accountability and zero people will go to jail for lying.
I’m counting my days. I live in an area that is heavily populated immigrant community and leans heavy Democrat. I have a MAGA sheriff. The other day I took my old car (23 years old) to the grocery store. I go to the one the immigrant community favors. Guess who got pulled over for not coming to a complete stop out of the store. The look the cop gave me when he finds an old white guy instead of a brown guy. I got a written warning with multiple typos, including my DOB listed as 1071. So basically, got profiled but didn’t look closely enough to see the giant white human in drivers seat.
I had seen cop cars around the store and in the parking lot and didn’t think much. When I went back I noticed they sit about a block away from the exit. I wonder how many they picked off.
I’m counting my days. I live in an area that is heavily populated immigrant community and leans heavy Democrat. I have a MAGA sheriff. The other day I took my old car (23 years old) to the grocery store. I go to the one the immigrant community favors. Guess who got pulled over for not coming to a complete stop out of the store. The look the cop gave me when he finds an old white guy instead of a brown guy. I got a written warning with multiple typos, including my DOB listed as 1071. So basically, got profiled but didn’t look closely enough to see the giant white human in drivers seat.
I had seen cop cars around the store and in the parking lot and didn’t think much. When I went back I noticed they sit about a block away from the exit. I wonder how many they picked off.
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Gladly! I've been actively contacting every news organization I can so I can share the story of what immigrants have to go through to become a legal resident in this country. I'm not scared to share my frustration with any and every part of the US immigration system, especially ICE.
Put me on TV! Lets go!
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We genuinely have to stop framing it this way.
There is no cognitive dissonance. There is no hypocrisy. There is no ignorance. There are no accidents.
The administration is laying bare the actual firmament of the conservative movement: they deserve rights because they are people, you deserve no rights because you're not people. That's the whole fucking game.
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I guess that the database will be used to imprison protestors in contested states prior to the coming elections.
That might also be the reason for the fast timeline for new detention centres.
That might also be the reason for the fast timeline for new detention centres.
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Ship these ICE goons to a real shooting war zone with only their existing training and gear. They want to play soldiers, so let them do it.
Start with Bovino.
Start with Bovino.
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Congress (both D & R): "Best we can do is body cams. Can we have more money now?"
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Oh, they don't need a breach for that. Private groups have been in the news since at least 2019 selling that info to advertisers and political campaigns. What'd be new is if facial recognition started factoring into that mix. REALID requires your photo, after all...
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Make them wear a yellow star so the general public can be warned about the domestic terrorists amongst them
Seriously, wtf
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I understand that getting them on record and drawing attention to the issue is a necessary step. But let's not fool ourselves: at this point there's enough evidence to safely assume (1) such a database exists and is being used and expanded, and (2) the government will lie about its existence to congress while still using it to threaten protesters (and innocent bystanders, journalists, etc).
After all, part of the point is to make us afraid.
And of course it's wildly illegal and entirely unethical (just as it was when it was done before). That means it's vital that those in power not just call it out, but keep calling it out, along with... everything else. (One of the really unfortunately lessons in all this is how well the "muzzle velocity" approach actually works to dilute objections to any single thing.)
At the same time, let's not pretend that something being illegal, unethical, or cruel is at all a deterrent to the Trump administration (and the congressional republicans keeping it in power). And while many lower courts are fighting hard to uphold the law, it's increasingly doubtful that the Supreme Court's majority is motivated by anything other than personal gain and political kowtowing.
On the off-chance John Roberts is reading this: if you'd like history to show you with any kind of redemption arc, man, you need to start on that yesterday.
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"Trump border czar Tom Homan recently told Laura Ingraham on Fox News, 'One thing I’m pushing for right now, Laura, we’re going to create a database where those people that are arrested for interference, impeding, and assault, we’re going to make them famous. We’re going to put their face on TV. We’re going to let their employers, and their neighborhoods, and their schools know who these people are.'”
Oh, OK; so Homan wants a doxxing war.
Oh, OK; so Homan wants a doxxing war.
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It's in large font in bold in the middle of the article:
ICE memo: “Capture it all”
Don't be a bootlicking asshole.
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Following up on my own post above and my rational for doing so
A while back I had asked why Ars had a presence on X and got a reply at length, explaining corp policy and I totally understand that directive and having to keep a job and food on the table etc (I am a parent as well)
Now, with the slew of postings on here and other articles, there is a real concern for people being data-mined for simply exercising their 1st Amendment rights
The writers on here do have some journalistic protections under law that many of the posters on here simply do not have (if in the US) and therefore it is more important than ever that Ars make a clear policy statement to that effect, given that folks on here are opining on articles and putting themselves in possible jeopardy for simply voicing their thoughts
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They'd surrender to the enemy before the ink on their orders was dry.
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