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That's one guy -- compared to Hamas making it literally their first order of business, per their god. Try and puzzle out the difference.

When the only other option is to be destroyed by zionists?

Yes, even then. That was never close to the situation, but even if it had been, according to you, those Palestinians should have simply made friends with the "Zionists" ( who are a small minority of Jews, by the way, not to get any facts in your way ).

People go with whomever promises them safety. In this case, the Allies didn’t and the NAZIs did.

Lie with dogs, as the saying goes.


You really need to be better informed.

That announcement was last week. Nice try though. Learn how to parse a date format before complaining about anyone else's level of information.


Again -- last week. Nearly two years after Hamas' attack.
The NAZIs didn’t start at the Final Solution; that’s where they ended. First, they siezed Jewish property and herded the Jews into ghettos and cut the ghettos off from supplies and flattened the ghettos and then relocated the Jews and then did the Final Solution.

Wow, John, I didn't think my opinion of you could drop any lower, but now you are defending the Holocaust. Your antisemitism has been obvious, but I didn't think you would go there.


Now let’s see what Israel has done to the Palestinians, shall we? They have stolen Palestinian land and proprty, herded the Palestinians into “relocation camps”, cut the regions off from supply, and destroyed Gaza. About the only things that the Isrealis haven’t done that the NAZIs did is shoot Palestinians while they were trying to get aid (oh, wait) and started up death camps.

And all the while, the Palestinian population grows and grows. Can you identify the critical difference between these situations?

Until October 7th, Palestine was growing faster than almost any country in the world. There are millions of Jews who would give anything for their people to have been subject to such an inept "genocide".


And the Jewish population in Germany continued to grow right up until 1938 or so. Since the start of Israel’s war on Gaza, the population has decreased.

Not per the numbers that I previously quoted -- from the Palestinian Authority, so you'll have to take your argument up with them. I note with interest that you declined to cite your first claim, for obvious reasons.

In reality -- not in John's personal universe -- the population of Jewish people in Germany was about 505,000 people, according to the 1933 census ( https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/germany-jewish-population-in-1933 ) and had declined to 318,000 by the subsequent census, in 1939 ( https://www.jstor.org/stable/4464869 ).

You'll want to attempt to argue with someone else, if you are going to try and pass off such nonsense in the future, John.


“Gaza’s population dropped by 6% – about 160,000 people – in 2024, according to a new report, as Israel’s war against Hamas took a heavy toll on the Palestinian enclave’s demographics.“ CNN

The Palestinian Authority disagrees, so again, take your dispute up with them. Worth noting that again, you need to check your dates -- that article was published on January 1, 2025. Which means that you naively believe that someone conducted a census -- during a war -- in just hours.

And that said census differed by 7% from their finding only 7 weeks earlier.


“Their movement had hungered for this moment for years, but now, after Oct. 7, they felt it was just a matter of time before Jews would be living in Gaza again. “It is ours,” said David Remer, 18. “[God] said it is ours.” LA Times

Again, one person, and an 18 year-old kid at that -- not a religious tenet, nor a command from god. See if you can puzzle out the difference before replying again.

You are embarrassing yourself with this nonsense. Do better, or cease wasting my time.


“I think the village of Huwara needs to be wiped out. I think the State of Israel should do it” Bezalel Smotrich, Israel Finance Minister

A village of 6,000 people -- not a country. Still not a command from god to wipe out an entire people. And now learn what Israel actually did. They did not wipe out Huwara, even though they could've easily. They built a road around it, to prevent conflicts from occurring. So that people could live in peace.

https://www.jns.org/israel-news/palestinian-terrorism/23/8/31/315059/

You probably want to retract that attempted point now, but unfortunately for you, I've quoted it.


No, I mean occupying other countries, stealing land, engaging in genocide, fomenting civil war - all of the things that Israel admits to having done.

And they did none of these until attacked, by those attempting to wipe them from the planet. And if they are "engaging in genocide", they are worse at it then almost any previous group.


Gosh, you really don’t know history, do you? Israel didn’t start returning lands confiscated from Palestinians until 1979, as part of the peace treaty negotiated by Carter.

By "confiscated", you mean, Egypt and Syria started a war, and lost, and lost those lands. Israel gave them back, in an attempt to make peace -- which has of course not worked, because all of their enemies still believe in a god who has instructed them to obliterate Israel.

And you want Israel to keep trying that strategy...

If a country starts a war, and loses ( in six days, no less ), and surrenders territory, those lands were not "confiscated". That's the price paid when one writes a check they cannot cash, as Egypt did. They were lucky that Israel didn't have much use for the Sinai.


Israel seized the Sinai in 1956 because Egypt refused to allow Israel passage through the Suez canal (which was owned and operated by Egypt). Israel did not return the Sinai until 1979, as part of the “land for peace” agreement.

And Israel gave up land, and did not get peace. Again, as I have already explained to you a couple times.


Try again. Under Resolution 242 (which was the basis for the Egypt-Israel peace treaty and the Jordan-Israel peace treaty and the United Arab Emirate-Israel peace treaty and the Arab League’s negotiations with Israel), all of Israel’s neighbors agree to leave Israel alone if Israel will just return the land it has stolen and stop making war on the Palestinians.

How well does it work? Well, Egypt hasn’t gone to war with Israel since signing the treaty. Jordan hasn’t gone to war with Israel since signing the treaty. The UAE hasn’t gone to war with Israel since signing the treaty.

Those countries learned in the Six Day War that a symmetric war with Israel is a losing cause. On the other hand, accepting the return of lands while supporting Hamas in their war on Israel has almost all of the benefit and none of the risk.

http://www.kinghussein.gov.jo/his_periods3.html
https://arabcenterdc.org/resource/arab-states-have-supported-and-shunned-hamas-in-the-gaza-war/
and many more...

By the way, you'll want to read about the Munich Massacre -- that occurred only a few years after Resolution 242. So that whole "respect Israel" paradigm didn't turn out to have any legs at all. Which isn't to say that the PLO ever stopped attacking Israel, even immediately following that Resolution, but the Munich Massacre was sufficiently famous that even someone with little familiarity with history, such as yourself, might have heard of it. Only weeks after the Resolution, Karameh was the launching point for constant attacks on Israel.

Also,you might be interested to learn about "Operation Wrath of God" which followed Munich. Instead of, say, bombing Palestinian villages or such, Israel went and killed almost all of the leaders of Black September, exactly as they should have done. Did this make any difference to the hatred directed towards them by the Muslim world? Not one single bit.

Hey - maybe if Israel signs treaties with Lebanon and Syria and Palestine, they won’t be at war anymore. Of course, Israel would also have to give back the land they’ve stolen, but that’s the right thing to do in any case.

And you imagine that all Muslims will renounce their religion at this point, correct? Or even just the hundreds of millions who believe their god instructs them to obliterate Israel?

Israel has repeatedly tried making peace -- for obvious reasons, since they have no desire to be constantly at-war with the entire region. Israelis may be many things, but catastrophically-stupid is not one of them, and they cannot reasonably triumph in a war against a billion Muslims. But every time Israel tries to make peace, religious zealots continue to attempt to wipe them from the face of the Earth.

Exactly how many times do you propose they ought to repeat that mistake, before learning their lesson?


And John, I still regret to inform you that your posts are being truncated. Your response to the fact that Sweden -- the 3rd-"friendliest" country in the world towards the Jewish people -- has a neo-Nazi party that is immensely popular, and currently the 2nd-most popular party in the country, has again not been posted here. I'm not sure why you seem to be unable to comment on that specific point -- but I can guess. No one else seems to be desirous of commenting on that situation, either.
 
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