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What would you do with a territory run by an enemy sworn to obliterate you?

The zionists’ behavior during the British Mandate drove the Arabs into the arms of the NAZIs, which makes it very relevant.

I thought you were being serious here, but obviously not. No one is forced to be a Nazi.


And neither is Israel. Egypt signed a peace treaty with Israel in 1979. Jordan signed a peace treaty with Israel in 1994. The United Arab Emirates signed a peace treaty with Israel in 2020.

And those countries did nothing following October 7th, but have now recalled ambassadors, and otherwise condemned Israel -- so it is very clear on which side they reside.

Meanwhile Hamas -- for whom destruction of Israel is a primary principle -- receives support from across the Muslim world, especially Syria, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and others.

"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it""
-- https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp

Now Lebanon is no friend of Israel, but a large part of that is due to Israel’s brutal occupation. Neither is Syria, mainly because Israel fomented civil war in the country. But that hardly leaves Israel “surrounded” by enemies.

See above.

While you are at it, list Israels "friends" in the region. They have none.


That doesn’t excuse Isral acting like NAZIs. Or what do you think the ghettoization of Gaza and the constant theft of Palestinian land by Israeli settlers and the constant violence against Palestinians is? What do you think the genocide against Palestinians in Gaza is?

It is Israel acting just like the NAZIs.

Again, crack open a history book that covers WW2. What you describe is nothing remotely similar to the Final Solution. Nazis killed about 60% of European Jews in under a decade ( https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/cont...-of-europe-in-1933-population-data-by-country ).

Gaza's population growth has been about 2% annually, which is in the top half of countries world-wide. https://worldpopulationreview.com/cities/palestine/gaza

"The population of the West Bank and Gaza boasts several notable features. The population growth rate is among the highest in the world: 3.4 percent in the West Bank and 4.0 percent in Gaza, according to US Census Bureau estimates."
-- https://www.prb.org/resources/the-west-bank-and-gaza-a-population-profile/

"Based on the data, the estimated growth rate in Gaza Strip for 2023 will decrease from about 2.7%, according to PCBS estimates for 2023, to only about 1% during 2024. "
https://www.pcbs.gov.ps/post.aspx?lang=en&ItemID=5791

Even amidst war, Gaza's population growth rate is higher than China's.

You do not appear to have the slightest clue about the topic.


Israel should either follow the two-state solution proposed by the US and supported by most of the countries in the region, or immediately offer full citizenship, equal civil rights, and compensation for the lands confiscated since 1948 to the Palestinians along with guarantees of religious and economic freedom.

See above with respect to Hamas, and other neighbors, having sworn to obliterate Israel. How do you make peace with someone who has made it their top priority -- as they believe their god instructs them -- to wipe you from the face of the Earth?


Self-made enemies.

What, precisely, other than existing, did Israel do to make Allah command Muslims to wipe it off the Earth ( as they believe )?


Well, the first thing I’d do is stop picking fights with countries that are bigger than me.

And by "picking fights", you mean existing.

The second thing I’d do is stop stealing other people’s land since that just makes them want to do unto me as I did unto them.

They tried that, and then Egypt blockaded Israel. And then Syria and Egypt teamed up. Eventually the Six-Day War resulted, which Israel won, and after which Israel gave back the entire Sinai. To no effect whatsoever. Their neighbors still refuse to tolerate their existence.

And the third thing I’d do is develop strong economic ties with those countries because increasing everyone’s wealth decreases evryone’s desire to make war where destorying other people’s stuff just makes them more eager to destroy me.

So 10M Israelis are responsible for uplifting the entire region -- who have sworn to obliterate them, as per their god's instructions -- on pain of death if they don't?

Did you think about that for even a second?

By the way, some of the world's wealthiest countries support Hamas and fund their attacks on Israel. Why cannot those countries instead "increase everyone's wealth", as you suggest the tiny country of Israel should? The Saudis -- one of the world's least-dense countries -- could give every single Palestinian family the equivalent of 40 acres and a mule (sans the racism), and resolve this entire conflict, from petty cash. Why don't they? Because, as I said, Palestinian "martyrs" are far more valuable in the Muslim world than live Palestinians are.

Also, John, just FYI, your previous post was apparently truncated. The part where you address the fact that the 3rd-"friendliest" country in the world towards Jewish people has an extremely prominent neo-Nazi political party -- in 2025 -- is missing. Perhaps you want to re-write that bit, and post it again. More importantly, consider this fact when suggesting that Israel ought to simply make nice with all of the people who believe their god demands Israel's obliteration. It's doubtful that Israel could even maintain peaceful relations with Sweden, if they were neighbors, given the level of irrational hate towards the Jewish people that pervades even that country.
 
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