Reports: Tesla’s prototype Optimus robots were controlled by humans
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For how long?
Also, what is their definition of "walking"? Experience with some IT types has taught me some people use such insane, narrow, non-standard definitions that they tend to be close to barebones lies.
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So the thing that Asimo and Boston Dynamics have been doing better and more fluidly for years if not decades, that's what was being driven by the thing Tesla has staked its financial future on and scheduled this entire event to impress people with. Everything else had all the sophistication of the Pirates of the Caribbean ride at Disneyland, or was being controlled remotely.
And for that, $220 a share. Jesus wept.
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How different is this from the whole Nikola rolling their Semi downhill debacle?
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Funny enough, Marques Brownlee made the same comment (though he was commenting about the taxi).
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Stomping along on perfectly flat ground, with no variation in gait or cadence, with all observers kept far enough away that nobody could fuck around and push one.
Meanwhile, Unitree has videos of their walking humanoids getting kicked in the chest and recovering.
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He's still so fucking desperate to avoid saying anything genuinely critical of Tesla that it trashes the objectivity of anything else he might review.
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So what you're saying is that Elon Musk trained a neural network* to operate Optimus? That's amazing, time to hodl TSLA!
* using off-the-shelf hardware not manufactured by NVIDIA or TSMC!
* using off-the-shelf hardware not manufactured by NVIDIA or TSMC!
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Oh, and this made me fucking roll:
It was so abysmally obvious just from watching the video that these things were being remotely operated that I genuinely question whether this Munster dipshit has enough on the ball to manage his own bank account, let alone Deepwater Asset Management. I wouldn't let this guy manage my tickets from a game of ski-ball at Chuck E Cheese, lest he invest them all in the Mega AI Use Case known as Munch's Make Believe Band.
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Another dog and pony show full of smoke and mirrors from the huckster fascist carnival barker, begging his rubes to "pay no attention to the men behind the curtain" as he desperately tries to pump some air back into his crashing airship of a hype machine
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Are we now at the point where Proportional-Integral-Derivative control systems are called "AI," even though they've been around for over a century?
Wikipedia page on PIDs
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So, hardware is looking reasonably polished. Has low level autonomy (self balancing, walking, etc) but the software to "do stuff" isn't demo-ready, especially in a chaotic scene like a party (vs. factory floor ... behind a fence).
That's all fine.
Using teleoperation in the meantime makes for a cool demo, while the software gains features and matures. But JFC, be honest about what you're showing!
There should be no shame about a demo not being final features, about stuff not being ready. But you've got to be honest about what's "real", and what's a stand-in to help people imagine possibilities.
That's all fine.
Using teleoperation in the meantime makes for a cool demo, while the software gains features and matures. But JFC, be honest about what you're showing!
There should be no shame about a demo not being final features, about stuff not being ready. But you've got to be honest about what's "real", and what's a stand-in to help people imagine possibilities.
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Just the people paid hundreds of thousands to manage other people's hundreds of millions, I guess. Because apparently Gene Munster and Cathie Wood bring that good galaxy-brain shit the rest of us don't, or something.
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And none of it puts them even close to the competition, let alone ahead of them like they desperately want rubes to believe
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I suspect the presentation was tailored to imply as heavily as possible without outright lying. Thus the whole being coy thing about what part was AI. And the forward looking statements (ie, we will be able to do X at some point, which can't really be proven wrong, vs we can do X now - when they can't).
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I was fairly surprised how much he called them out... Just to end with "But if any company can do it, it's Tesla" ...
Even though you just spent 20 minutes explaining why they probably can't...
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Hardware is the easy part and even at that, this is decades behind the curve. And as with every complex project, the Pareto Principle reigns; they're not even testing the boundaries of the 80% that takes 20% of the effort yet. They might be breezing through the initial 30%.
A demo not reflecting final features or not being fully ready for release is one thing. This is quite another; it wasn't a demo, it was straight up science fiction. There was nothing being demonstrated. It was like taping cardboard to a Sopwith Camel to "demo" a god damn F-15 Strike Eagle. It's an outright fraud to represent Optimus as even notionally or theoretically capable of what Tesla portrayed, especially without being crystal clear that they were all teleoperated.
If Tesla's value added is the AI that could barely manage to stomp along in a straight line, what value are they adding to this situation? If they're actually doing AI, why not buy some hardware from Boston Dynamics and focus on what Elon insists they're good at?
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They're so far from feature parity with Boston Dynamics they're not even playing the same game, homie. Boston Dynamics was at this point 15 years ago, if not 20; they're doing parkour and shit now. Best believe that we got as much as Optimus can actually manage; if a dozen Optimi could sprint out and put on a flashmob Bollywood dance number while Elon stepped out of a Cybercab that'd driven itself through city streets to deliver him, that's what we'd have seen. And we sure as fuck did not.
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If I were a Tesla shareholder, I'd be pretty pissed off right now. It's clear Musk is spending loads of Tesla's cash on something that is where the competition was a decade ago. In the meantime, Tesla's actual product (cars for those still wondering) are getting a minor lipstick refresh instead of substantial model upgrades. And FSD still isn't any of those.
All that for the low, low price of $44.9 billion.
All that for the low, low price of $44.9 billion.
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How long do you think it would take for Musk to get in trouble for having his 'autonomous' bots actually being farmed out to human operators?
Edit: For clarity, after these are pushed to production and being billed as completely 'autonomous' much like how the present FSD is being labeled as 'Full Self Driving' when it is anything but.
Edit: For clarity, after these are pushed to production and being billed as completely 'autonomous' much like how the present FSD is being labeled as 'Full Self Driving' when it is anything but.
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Tesla the only compnay??? Puhleeeze. At this point I think my sainted Grandmother is giving a go at creating and advanced AI.
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