but to say "vaccination will save lives", while maybe true for the flu I don't even think that's provable for Covid-19 yet as we see vaccinated individuals contracting it and dying (for one instance see the Massachusetts outbreak where 75% of those infected were vaccinated".) And I'm not suggesting at all that vaccines for Covid shouldn't be taken I'm stating that it's not enough.
It is 100% absolutely provable that the covid vaccines are saving lives. Every vaccine has breakthrough infections, and some of those will result in deaths, but definitely, absolutely, far fewer deaths than there would be in a 100% unvaccinated population. Anyone claiming otherwise is making several math or stats errors, because this isn't even close to a serious or supportable contention.
The flu vaccines also have a lot of breakthroughs and deaths. Other vaccines have far fewer, but still some. The difference is mainly the number of variants and the number of infections. Measles, for example, is very rare, so it causes very few deaths. Flu is very common and has more variants, so it sneaks around vaccines and causes far more deaths.
