It's not very efficient, and the synthetic gearshifts aren't great, but I liked it?
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Cable doesn't reach when you back in ?actually connecting to a Tesla supercharger is a fraught experience in which you play chicken with the car’s automatic emergency braking to get close enough to the charger so the cable can reach the socket. As you can see from the photograph, we’re talking about a space that’s within an inch.
No, it’s just behind the front wheel. You’d never reach if you tried backing in, the cable would be many feet too short.Cable doesn't reach when you back in ?
I went looking for YouTube review & the location is really bad or they did not think through the entire car design when they did the pointy frontNo, it’s just behind the front wheel. You’d never reach if you tried backing in, the cable would be many feet too short.
This one is a head scratcher as Tesla has the largest network in the US and made finding locations really easy and do publish their Supercharger map so it would be no brainer for any car maker to add that information to their Nav system as Rivian and others are doing soThe built-in nav was not very helpful at finding chargers.
.relatively compact EV, at 189 inches (4,800 mm) long
Yes, the Coke can reference comes to mind. Not sure what a standardised size for trunk or seats might be? Real doll?It would be useful to show someone sitting in the seats, rather than just a picture of the seat.
Similarly, it would be useful to place some things in the trunk. Showing a picture of it isn't particularly useful in a car review.
Between this and the ethical concerns that many will have about paying Tesla for services, it’s good to know you can also use CCS1 machines with the included NACS-CCS1 adapter as an alternative.
Hyundai’s fake gears are engaging enough to convert even the most skeptical reviewers. Sadly, they’re not as well-implemented in the Lexus as in the Korean car
Certainly looks like it. Parking cam so the nose isn't blocking the view from a windshield camera.On the front, above the emblem, is that a camera?
In the US, we literally don't have anything smaller than a Golf. That's a tiny car here..
So I'm not in the USA, and I'm sure Dr Gitlin is correct, but that is exceeding my vision of 'compact'.
As someone not hauling kids around, my Golf-sized daily driver hatchback is 20 inches shorter and I think it's too big and will be trying to shop a size down on replacement. It's got a very usable trunk, but fold down the back seats (which have barely seen a passenger) and it swallows enormous amount of cargo.
I get that some people have kids, dogs, camping gear etc but the market (even here in NZ) is trending towards ever larger vehicles leaving a diminishing pool of choices for those who don't need all that space and would rather haul around 20% less weight.
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Lexus badge.This is another one of those cars where I wouldn't necessarily think someone was a complete idiot if they bought one....but in a world where the EV6/Ioniq5, bZ Woodland/Trailseeker, i4, Equinox, and Blazer exist, why?
And if you read that word that came before compact, it's "relatively." That modifies compact. "Relatively compact," together, modifies the noun "EV." This is, in fact, a relatively compact EV, for this market, the one this article was written in and for. It might not strike you as absolutely compact in a universal or global sense, and that's ok, but it's not really relevant..
So I'm not in the USA, and I'm sure Dr Gitlin is correct, but that is exceeding my vision of 'compact'.
As someone not hauling kids around, my Golf-sized daily driver hatchback is 20 inches shorter and I think it's too big and will be trying to shop a size down on replacement. It's got a very usable trunk, but fold down the back seats (which have barely seen a passenger) and it swallows enormous amount of cargo.
I get that some people have kids, dogs, camping gear etc but the market (even here in NZ) is trending towards ever larger vehicles leaving a diminishing pool of choices for those who don't need all that space and would rather haul around 20% less weight.
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It's a pretty good spot for it in their home RHD market.I went looking for YouTube review & the location is really bad or they did not think through the entire car design when they did the pointy front
Also from your other caption above
This one is a head scratcher as Tesla has the largest network in the US and made finding locations really easy and do publish their Supercharger map so it would be no brainer for any car maker to add that information to their Nav system as Rivian and others are doing so
It's seems as if they designed a compliance car because 1/2 the team wanted an EV and the other 1/2 did not care about aesthetics (my opinion)
Pulling a paddle to increase regen seems like it would be similar to using a lower gear in an ICE for engine braking. Upshifts, if it isn't a manual, why? All automatic transmissions try to smooth the shift so it is near imperceptible these days. Gone are the snappy shifts like a GNX.I find the obsession with 'gears' on EV cars weird - I've driven some cars with very nice gear shifts and many with ... not so nice ones. I've recently made the switch from a 20-odd year old daily driver to an EV saloon/sedan and changing gear is the thing I miss least.
It'd be like a quartz watch having a fake wind-up crown.
Given decent steering feel and reasonably aggressive regen, I've driven EVs that are nice to interact with in their own right without pretending to be an ICE vehicle.
Hell, decent steering feel, the right level of regen and hi-fi grade switches and I'd pay way over the odds for the vehicle?
Yeah, the front end slopes down more than the rear half seems like it's flowing toward. Or something.Lexus badge.
I do kinda like the looks of it. Well, the back half at least. Something about it makes it look like the front half and back half were designed by different people who had been told to make two separate cars.
I agree. But brand loyalty can be a hell of a drug.Yeah, the front end slopes down more than the rear half seems like it's flowing toward. Or something.
But for $58k, holy shit, get an EV9 or Ioniq9, Jesus. They go further and are just as swanky.
I'd actually be more amused by a buggy whip, some neighing sounds and a clatter of hooves when I step on the accelerator, but the fake noises must get old fast. Maybe it's for guys entering their second childhood, vroom vroom and all that.I find the obsession with 'gears' on EV cars weird - I've driven some cars with very nice gear shifts and many with ... not so nice ones. I've recently made the switch from a 20-odd year old daily driver to an EV saloon/sedan and changing gear is the thing I miss least.
It'd be like a quartz watch having a fake wind-up crown.
Given decent steering feel and reasonably aggressive regen, I've driven EVs that are nice to interact with in their own right without pretending to be an ICE vehicle.
Hell, decent steering feel, the right level of regen and hi-fi grade switches and I'd pay way over the odds for the vehicle?
Yes, the Coke can reference comes to mind. Not sure what a standardised size for trunk or seats might be? Real doll?
I drove our EV with the fake engine sounds for awhile when we first got it. They're actually not really engine sounds, it's just some sound. It felt really weird being totally silent but driving around at first. It took a little getting used to it being off.I'd actually be more amused by a buggy whip, some neighing sounds and a clatter of hooves when I step on the accelerator, but the fake noises must get old fast. Maybe it's for guys entering their second childhood, vroom vroom and all that.
Legacy auto thinking and that will be their demiseI find the obsession with 'gears' on EV cars weird - I've driven some cars with very nice gear shifts and many with ... not so nice ones. I've recently made the switch from a 20-odd year old daily driver to an EV saloon/sedan and changing gear is the thing I miss least.
It'd be like a quartz watch having a fake wind-up crown.
Given decent steering feel and reasonably aggressive regen, I've driven EVs that are nice to interact with in their own right without pretending to be an ICE vehicle.
Hell, decent steering feel, the right level of regen and hi-fi grade switches and I'd pay way over the odds for the vehicle?
That's a Tesla problem. They engineered the solution first -- port behind the left rear wheel, Supercharger cables just long enough to reach that location -- and expected drivers to alter their behavior by backing into a perpendicular parking space. The rest of the CCS-based automotive world designed around the driver's typical behavior of pulling forward in to those parking spaces, and designed port locations and charger cable lengths around that. Tesla opening up their Supercharger network to other manufacturers is magnifying this difference in design philosophy.I went looking for YouTube review & the location is really bad or they did not think through the entire car design when they did the pointy front
That's fine. I happen to like it, in some circumstances.I find the obsession with 'gears' on EV cars weird - I've driven some cars with very nice gear shifts and many with ... not so nice ones. I've recently made the switch from a 20-odd year old daily driver to an EV saloon/sedan and changing gear is the thing I miss least.
More like a phone camera making a shutter sound. It's useful feedback, even if it doesn't reflect actual mechanical function.It'd be like a quartz watch having a fake wind-up crown.
Sorry, no, there's a lot of interaction that's just missing there. I don't miss it in my daily driver, which is an Ioniq5, but it just feels right to bang through gears in a performance vehicle. Yes, they're fake and yes, they don't add any function, but it gives a little bit of otherwise missing engagement and feedback, just like force feedback in a driving game or a rumbler in a gaming chair. You can skip it if you want. It sounds pretty pointless in this particular car.Given decent steering feel and reasonably aggressive regen, I've driven EVs that are nice to interact with in their own right without pretending to be an ICE vehicle.
Hell, decent steering feel, the right level of regen and hi-fi grade switches and I'd pay way over the odds for the vehicle?
I absolutely love my Ioniq 6 and am bummed that they are not selling them in the US anymore (at least from what I can tell). My only complaints are no wireless carplay and no heated steering wheel/driver seat profiles unless you get the most expensive trim.I agree. But brand loyalty can be a hell of a drug.
I really need to go find an Ioniq 6 to test drive. I'm afraid I'd be tempted to buy it though.
Wow. Nobody's demanding you justify your preferences or insulting them, so stop being an asshole and do me the same courtesy.I'd actually be more amused by a buggy whip, some neighing sounds and a clatter of hooves when I step on the accelerator, but the fake noises must get old fast. Maybe it's for guys entering their second childhood, vroom vroom and all that.
Oh shit, they're not selling them in the US anymore? Bummer. I guess that makes it easy for me to not accidentally buy one I guess.I absolutely love my Ioniq 6 and am bummed that they are not selling them in the US anymore (at least from what I can tell). My only complaints are no wireless carplay and no heated steering wheel/driver seat profiles unless you get the most expensive trim.
Paddles for regen are a good interaction where you’re using an existing control for an EV analogue. Not the same as a gear shift, but similar idea.Pulling a paddle to increase regen seems like it would be similar to using a lower gear in an ICE for engine braking. Upshifts, if it isn't a manual, why? All automatic transmissions try to smooth the shift so it is near imperceptible these days. Gone are the snappy shifts like a GNX.
It sounds like they might only be selling the "N" variant.Oh shit, they're not selling them in the US anymore? Bummer. I guess that makes it easy for me to not accidentally buy one I guess.
I did look at them on the used market for a friend just recently. Holy hell you can get some deals on some "used" models that were never actually driven. Just a few miles on them from moving around the lot and maybe a few test drives.
Thats now a Toyota problem, because if you want to access a large network you take that into consideration like Rivian did or else make your buyers suffer and lose salesThat's a Tesla problem. They engineered the solution first -- port behind the left rear wheel, Supercharger cables just long enough to reach that location -- and expected drivers to alter their behavior by backing into a perpendicular parking space. The rest of the CCS-based automotive world designed around the driver's typical behavior of pulling forward in to those parking spaces, and designed port locations and charger cable lengths around that. Tesla opening up their Supercharger network to other manufacturers is magnifying this difference in design philosophy.
no, this is how Tesla creates scarcity. by equipping superchargers with short cable cables that don’t work with some other EV’sCable doesn't reach when you back in ?
In the US, we literally don't have anything smaller than a Golf. That's a tiny car here.
That’s be more fun than fart-noises-for-indicators. I’d also like some proper vroom-vroom straight six howl for when I’m feeling juvenile/nostalgic/inconsistent with my other comments.I'd actually be more amused by a buggy whip, some neighing sounds and a clatter of hooves when I step on the accelerator, but the fake noises must get old fast. Maybe it's for guys entering their second childhood, vroom vroom and all that.
For me it’s more for passengers. There is no warning in an EV that you’re about to welly it at some traffic lights to get into the correct lane, and then you hear heads hitting headrests…I drove our EV with the fake engine sounds for awhile when we first got it. They're actually not really engine sounds, it's just some sound. It felt really weird being totally silent but driving around at first. It took a little getting used to it being off.