FAA shuts down El Paso airspace for 10 days and won’t say why

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I have been to El Paso a few times, but always fly in and out of the Ciudad Juarez airport (makes it a domestic and cheaper flight for me). The distance between the two airports is about 20 km, a bit more than 10 miles, but they must share airspace. I wonder if this closure affected the Juarez airport as well.
 
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LeftCoastRusty

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The lack of communication from federal officials regarding such a disruptive closure, and then its abrupt end, raise serious questions about the coordination among federal agencies,
It also raises questions about basic competence in our defense/national security systems.
 
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ktmglen

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I have been to El Paso a few times, but always fly in and out of the Ciudad Juarez airport (makes it a domestic and cheaper flight for me). The distance between the two airports is about 20 km, a bit more than 10 miles, but they must share airspace. I wonder if this closure affected the Juarez airport as well.
It did not. It specifically excluded Mexican airspace.
 
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Medicicidem

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that's going to mess up mail deliveries that come in via air from all carriers. What would happen if they did around election time with mail-in ballots?
Shit. It does sound like paranoia but, all joking aside, that's exactly what could happen. For national security purposes you close specific airports near cities that tend to vote a certain way. Then you get the courts to declare all those votes invalid because they were "late".

I can just imagine several administration officials wringing their hands saying, "Eeeeexcellent, this is so crazy it just might work."
 
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AusPeter

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We're trying to starve Cuba, steal from Venezuela, encouraging the deaths of thousands of Iranian civilians to destabilize, trying to steal Greenland, threatening both of our closest neighbors and trading partners, trying to get a better deal out of Russia in exchange for Ukraine, threatening to leave Taiwan hanging, murdering US citizens, building concentration camps, and sending people to be tortured on our behalf

But why would you assume anything other than positive intent with this?
Give that man a Nobel Peace Prize!!!!! /s
 
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Edit: oh well, ignore that. I actually went to each page of the comments to search for "drone" to see if it'd been reported. But for some reason, the Ars comment section started messing with find in page searches and sometimes doesn't actually go to the matches at all, unless I force-reload the page after I first click on the comments. 🤷‍♂️

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Secretary Sean Duffy
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The FAA and DOW acted swiftly to address a cartel drone incursion.

The threat has been neutralized, and there is no danger to commercial travel in the region.

The restrictions have been lifted and normal flights are resuming.

(no comment on the truth, just what they claim)
 
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ktmglen

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From a Bloomberg reporter on Bluesky:
https://bsky.app/profile/mgerrydoyle.bsky.social/post/3melotrfrus2i

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Latest claim from anonymous dmin sources is that the airspace was closed so the military could defend against an incursion of drones operated by Mexican cartels. (ninja'd just above as I was writing this)

I'm not interested in buying a Canadian bridge, either.

This smells like a half-assed cover story. "Let's make up a reason for the incident that makes us sound competent while also reinforcing our existing talking points about the threat represented by an outside enemy!" It makes absolutely no sense at all that Mexican cartels would want to attack an American airport for no reason.

I'm going to guess the actual event was (1) DOD starts planning some operation that requires notification to FAA, (2) nobody is left who knows the proper procedure because everyone who isn't a loyalist has been removed, (3) random DOD flunky calls FAA with bellowing dick-waving demand, "we're doing something, keep everyone out," (4) FAA shrugs and says "sure OK LOL." And now they're scrambling to make it make sense.
 
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atomic.banjo

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Further, from NYT: "The brief shutdown was related to a test of new counter-drone technology by the military at nearby Fort Bliss Army base, according to a person briefed on the matter"
Nah, not buying it. Ft Bliss is BIG and if that's the issue then they can test somewhere else.
 
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The military has multiple facilities all over the Continental US dedicated to weapon testing, why would they test near a major municipal area and/or civilian airport? And no disrespect to the US Army or Ft Bliss, but why would they be conducting "anti-drone" testing at an army base? I would think such work would be led by USAF or USN assets.
 
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Edit: oh well, ignore that. I actually went to each page of the comments to search for "drone" to see if it'd been reported. But for some reason, the Ars comment section started messing with find in page searches and sometimes doesn't actually go to the matches at all, unless I force-reload the page after I first click on the comments. 🤷‍♂️

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(no comment on the truth, just what they claim)
Sounds lust like Venezuelan drug boats to me…. They need an excuse to invade Mexico so we claim Mexico is invading us first. I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist but trumps guys don’t have much in the way of imagination and they use the same playbook over and over.
 
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real mikeb_60

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And a big FU to the people of El Paso and those travelling to/from there. Our government, once again showing how much it cares for the people it supposedly serves.
There's always the 3x a week Amtrak between New Orleans and LA. If it's less than an hour late at most intermediate points it's doing pretty well.
 
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ktmglen

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The NOLA NOTAM is from surface to 2,000 feet. My guess this is so law enforcement can fly surveillance drone during Mardi Gras.
The NOLA NOTAM is a ban on most civilian drone use during Mardi Gras. In the context of the NOTAM, UAS = drone. These bans are fairly standard for large events and gatherings, e.g., similar bans of 3 NM around college and pro sports events. Also, note that unlike the El Paso TFR, advance warning was given and the NOLA TFR is still going to take effect.
 
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So reading between the lines of the various reports, it sounds like the DoD (or someone) was flying drones out of Ft. Bliss without notification to the FAA, who in turn issued a unprecedented TFR to protect commercial aircraft around El Paso, which the administration is now attempting to cover by blaming cartel drone incursions. Sound about right?
 
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Medicicidem

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Shit. It does sound like paranoia but, all joking aside, that's exactly what could happen. For national security purposes you close specific airports near cities that tend to vote a certain way. Then you get the courts to declare all those votes invalid because they were "late".

I can just imagine several administration officials wringing their hands saying, "Eeeeexcellent, this is so crazy it just might work."
Fuck me! I just gave them an idea didn't I? 😞
 
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AusPeter

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The military has multiple facilities all over the Continental US dedicated to weapon testing, why would they test near a major municipal area and/or civilian airport? And no disrespect to the US Army or Ft Bliss, but why would they be conducting "anti-drone" testing at an army base? I would think such work would be led by USAF or USN assets.
Never bring logic and common sense to a stupidity fight.
 
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Edit: oh well, ignore that. I actually went to each page of the comments to search for "drone" to see if it'd been reported. But for some reason, the Ars comment section started messing with find in page searches and sometimes doesn't actually go to the matches at all, unless I force-reload the page after I first click on the comments. 🤷‍♂️

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Well we know they're lying and/or incompetent (likely both), because it doesn't take 10 days to shoot down a drone.
 
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ktmglen

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Juarez (right across the border from El Paso) is a hot bed for cartels, so the cartel excuse isn't THAT far off. It reeks of poor communication between the FAA, DoD, and especially the local gov't. It's not like poor FAA/DoD communication has caused any issues. Oh, wait...

So reading between the lines of the various reports, it sounds like the DoD (or someone) was flying drones out of Ft. Bliss without notification to the FAA, who in turn issued a unprecedented TFR to protect commercial aircraft around El Paso, which the administration is now attempting to cover by blaming cartel drone incursions. Sound about right?

These seem like the most obvious explanations to me.

From Bluesky:


View: https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3melogfl6ht2y
 
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