ICE protester says her Global Entry was revoked after agent scanned her face

Global Entry and Precheck revoked three days after incident, court filing says.

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[graylshaped]

Solution: Vote accordingly. Meanwhile, law enforcement does what law enforcement is tasked to do. Give them grief, and they'll do what they can legally do to lessen the suffering so that they can do their jobs.

Their "job" isn't what you say they think it is.

 

[Tonkaman]

Joe Biden was having the U.S. send arms to Israel.

What more do you want?

Yes, and that was in violation of existing law. About enthusiastic as you can be. He had existing law he could've used to unilaterally stop the US from resupplying Israel's genocide. Kamala refused to say she'd do anything different.

 

[TylerH]

Losing it for arbitrary and capricious reasons isn’t how the U.S. government is supposed to work.

That’s how U.S. corporations are supposed to work, not the government.

I didn't say anything about whether this act was justified or something appropriate for the US government to do. I was only clarifying for the person I replied to that losing Global Entry status is not a travel ban, just makes you have to go through all the hoops when traveling that everyone else does.

Someone dies not know what this program involves.

global entry/TSA Pachec pre-check is a program where frequent travelers get a background search, so that they can be categorized as safe. It is similar in kind (though not scope) to getting a security clearance. That categorization may end up with a quicker pass through security, but bit necessarily.

There is a new, literal, “buy my way to the front of the line” in major airports called CLEAR. That has 2 lanes, just like regular security. One for those with recheck, and one without. So regardless of the risk you represent you can jump your respective line. CLEAR agents are even allowed to boss around airport and TSA personnel.

Thanks, I know what Global Entry is, having used it for a long time myself. For domestic flights, it guarantees you access to TSA Precheck security lines at participating locations, basically airports, but as someone else has said, TSA agents are given tons of leeway and at smaller jurisdictions you're just as likely to have no TSA Precheck line. Even where there are TSA Precheck lines, sometimes the regular security lines are faster because most people traveling at that time/day/location have TSA Precheck.

Global Entry for international travel (which is the point of the service) lets you basically skip the customs passport/security checkpoint if you have nothing to declare and scan your face and/or fingerprints, and let you through. If you are entering at a border via car or boat you can show your Global Entry card and, again, skip the line.

Not sure what "someone die not knowing what this program involves" means. No one has died from not knowing what Global Entry is, as far as I know.

Revocation of Global Entry/TSA precheck is, therefore, the US government deciding you are no longer a safe traveler.

Not really. It's the US government deciding that you are not a known safe traveler, such that you qualify for expedited security procedures. If the US government decided you were no longer a safe travel, period, they'd put you on a no-fly list and not let you go anywhere.

 

[VividVerism]

The Dems used to be the big tent. Now if you don’t support all their agenda and god forbid you are a Christian, Jew or gun owner you are reviled. That’s how you loose elections in the heartland. Fly the American flag and you must be a facist.

Literally not a single word of that past "big tent" is true. Stop lying.

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Edit to add (to head off some argument):

Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Tim Walz: all Christians.

Tim Walz: proud gun owner.

Doug Emhoff (Harris's husband): Jewish.

And there were US Flags and patriotic pageantry at every campaign event.

 

[graylshaped]

I must be talking to a bunch of bots at the end of this thread. Could you please provide some examples to support your claims, so we have something to discuss?

All I'm getting is that you disagree with... things, I guess.

When you are wrong from first principle, it is challenging to know where to start. Try these.

https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/
https://www.policechiefmagazine.org/who-will-watch-the-watchers/
https://portal.cops.usdoj.gov/resourcecenter/ric/Publications/cops-w0875-pub.pdf

Your turn. Provide one single citation supporting your contention that LEO are beyond reproach.

 

[crmarvin42]

The point I'm making is that your border security privileges can be revoked at their discretion. Calling a security guy a pig during a border security crossing, like at an airport, will likely get your privileges revoked.

And what I'm pointing out, is that to do so is ILLEGAL.

These programs are not about whether or not anyone at DHS likes you, but about whether or not you constitute a threat to air travelers. Exercising your rights does not make you threat. therefore the revocation is not based on a risk assessment, but on a popularity test, which is - again - illegal.

That the government is making decisions, not based on the law, but on feelings is a HUGE FUCKING PROBLEM. regardless of whose feelings are being used as the basis for these decisions.

Stop defending abuses of authority, just because you might be inclined to do the same thing in their positions. Empathizing with their illegal acts, does not make those acts legal. It just means your emotions cannot be trusted.

 

[Amarillo3]

Arresting journalists.
Killing Americans for using their First Amendment rights.
Arresting political enemies.
A masked militia demanding identity papers.
Compiling a dossier of "domestic terrorists."
Complete abandonment of the 4th Amendment.

And now restricting travel for dissenters.
They’ll be using the IRS against us this year, you can bet on that.

Will America wake up in time or is it already too late?

I suspect many Americans are counting on the midterm elections to solve the problem. If it doesn't, then the last of the democratic bulwarks is gone, and those Americans will rise up and take whatever action is necessary.

 

[VividVerism]

You quoted the wrong person. Anyhow, please justify your claims. Point out an example.

Read the rest of the thread and you'll find plenty. We don't owe you endless rehashing of arguments already made.

 

[graylshaped]

Yes, and that was in violation of existing law. About enthusiastic as you can be. He had existing law he could've used to unilaterally stop the US from resupplying Israel's genocide. Kamala refused to say she'd do anything different.

When the opponent was talking with glee--or enthusiasm, if that word is the one we're currently using--about his plans to profit from building resorts on the rubble, this coulda-shoulda-woulda corpse-beating is something worse than non-productive.

 

[crmarvin42]

[irrelevant information included to pad out your response]

Not sure what "someone die not knowing what this program involves" means. No one has died from not knowing what Global Entry is, as far as I know.

"die" above, was OBVIOUSLY a typo and was intended to be "does". That you decided to knit-pick that is just petty. You know what I meant and decided to play dumb.

Not really. It's the US government deciding that you are not a known safe traveler, such that you qualify for expedited security procedures. If the US government decided you were no longer a safe travel, period, they'd put you on a no-fly list and not let you go anywhere.

Another pointless quibble. Your status as a known safe traveller should not be based on exercising 1st amendment protected behavior to simply be present in a place where ICE officers are. That is, after all, what she was doing. She was present and witnessing their behavior. If this is allowed to stand, then it effectively criminalizes occupying space in public.

If she had threatened the officers, or physically obstructed them, then maybe this is about them being "known" to be safe. But that is not what is reported to have occurred, and your defense of their behavior (punishing someone without due process) is fascist apologetics.

 

[carldjennings]

I travel a lot in Trump territory, despite living in a Blue state. A lot do, but a lot more do not understand.

Most in the mid-west see nothing intrinsically wrong with anything happening right now. "if they would just comply" is thrown around, a lot. They tend to be mad at the victims for putting themselves in harms way. They are viewing this like the LA riots. "Those people are doing stupid dangerous shit for no good reason" seems to be the sentiment. The constitutional threat is never acknowledged.

Back at home, there are those who see the issues, but seem to think they can put their head in the sand and just ignore what is happening, because it is not (yet) happening here. Even though it is starting to (we've had small scale kidnappings by ICE several times over the last few weeks).

My ballpark estimate is that

• roughly 10% of folks really truly grasp the nature and scale of the problem, and as such are appropriately alarmed.
• Roughly another 30% are aware that this is "not normal" and that we may be sliding down a bad hill, but seem to still think elections are the beginning and ending to their role in addressing it. They are concerned, but not alarmed.
• The other 70% are essentially oblivious.
  • roughly half of those are willfully oblivious. They are OK with what is happening, as long as it happens to someone else, somewhere else, and they don't have to face it (and they actively protect themselves from having to face it by only consuming pro-trump news, when they consume news at all).
  • The other half of those are just to busy staying above water to have any time/interest in other peoples problems, regardless of how they might be inclined to feel about the things happening.

I know folks in all 3/4 of the groups outlined above.

Honestly, the smartest thing Trump et al did with this was to start focused on a single city/major metropolitan area. By doing so, the let everyone in the other 49 states largely ignore what is going on, if they so choose. And, in my experience, a lot of folks are taking that option for as long as they can.

There are those of us who are aware and alarmed, but just don't know what to do about it. Calling our representatives won't accomplish anything. So other than taking up arms, what do you suggest we do?

 

[JohnDeL]

As TylerH pointed out, the Global Entry "privilege" is just that.

Not quite.

There are guidelines for granting a Global Entry card. As a result, and particularly since this is a government program, it cannot be rescinded for arbitrary reasons. There is supposed to be a process and you are supposed to be able to challenge the process. The reason it works this way is the Fourth Amendment.

(In practice DHS usually backs down as soon as laywers get involved lest their entire methodology be ruled unconstitutional.)

 

[drankin]

There are those of us who are aware and alarmed, but just don't know what to do about it. Calling our representatives won't accomplish anything. So other than taking up arms, what do you suggest we do?

Start with defining and litigating actual crimes. Taking up arms for what? Other than exercising your 2A rights, what are you going to do with them? Totally irrational.

 

[graylshaped]

There are those of us who are aware and alarmed, but just don't know what to do about it. Calling our representatives won't accomplish anything. So other than taking up arms, what do you suggest we do?

Campaign for your representative's opponent? In the primary, if needed.

 

[numerobis]

Nor even the American constitution. Which seems rather ironic for someone who's avatar is based on the American flag.

To be precise: their avatar is a distorted American flag.

 

[crmarvin42]

There are those of us who are aware and alarmed, but just don't know what to do about it. Calling our representatives won't accomplish anything. So other than taking up arms, what do you suggest we do?

Calling your representatives ABSOLUTELY can do something.

My representative is a sniveling little boot licker of a Republican. He's a nepo-baby who's dad was a politician, and looks like he is going to cream his khaki's every time he gets to take a photo with police officers (it's gross). AND YET, he crossed the isle recently to vote with the Dems on something, in response to pressure from his more liberal constituents.

Context is, he won his seat by less than 3 percentage points, and likely only defeated his Democratic opponent because that guy got caught in a financial disclosure scandal. He wants to be re-elected, and the legendary swing in the generic D vs R prospects going on right now (something like +15 to the Dems) is making him quite responsive at times. He's still trying to do more to help the administration than to hinder it, but that he's crossed the isle AT ALL is telling.

More important than that is to get involved in organizing, and to donating to relevant causes. I've donated several hundred dollars at this point to different groups. Not the Dems (fuck those fake friends), but to some immigration groups that are trying to help folks get naturalized quickly and to keep folks with no record from being deported, and to some civil liberties groups that are helping to spring Americans who were wrongfully arrested, and to help get the BS charges dropped free of charge.

The rest is just to not let folks around you normalize this BS. I have had uncomfortable conversations with guys from work about the shootings in MN, for example, as a means to point out the flaws in the "just comply" rhetoric of the Right.

 

[crmarvin42]

To be precise: their avatar is a distorted American flag.

which is why they are now on my block list. They are a troll, trolling. I forgot that it is never a good idea to feed the trolls.

 

[graylshaped]

Okay, so I suppose the revocation was challenged, and the result was that it was continued. Appeal it I guess? Or go to the slow line. Again, a lot about not much. No crime here.

Kristi Noem approves your message.

Good thing, because otherwise she;'ll shoot you.

 

[numerobis]

There are those of us who are aware and alarmed, but just don't know what to do about it. Calling our representatives won't accomplish anything. So other than taking up arms, what do you suggest we do?

Joining in groups that are resisting is what matters most. Demonstrations and strikes for example are super easy to do. Get active with local politicians (candidates or incumbents) -- volunteering for them gets you access.

Many Democrats are blades of grass in the wind. They respond to what they think their voters want, and have no ideas of their own. So, show them what their voters want.

 

[graylshaped]

There is a difference between warning people to not break the law and warning law breakers so they are not apprehended.

What law is being broken? What clear and present danger does a fruit vendor represent that you think faceless, process-free Brute Squads should roam unhindered?

You represent what I heard Andrew Zimmern describe as the tribalization of pain and compassion. You are unable to feel compassion for the pain of anyone not part of your tribe. There was a time, wresting Civilization out of Nature, when that trait was beneficial to survival.

Now our survival depends on evolving past animalistic knee jerk rejection of people Not Like Us and I will drop this soapbox in front of anyone anywhere on the political spectrum acting against that principle.

 

[JohnDeL]

There is a difference between warning people to not break the law and warning law breakers so they are not apprehended.

Not according to the law.

Go.

Read the decision.

Learn something about First Amentment rights in the USA.

 

[VividVerism]

Go to one of those blue hair protests and open carry, wear a cross or Star of David, fly the flag and see how welcomed you are.

Oh nice, using "blue hair" as a slur. I haven't seen that one in a while. Points to you for fully committing to the bit, I guess.

The last protest I attended in response to the murder of George Floyd, there was a Black guy openly carrying an assault-style rifle on a strap over his shoulder. He did fine.

As I noted and you quoted but ignored for some reason, most prominent leaders in the Democratic party and in causes they align with are, in fact, Christian. Often outspokenly so. The last protest I attended in response to ICE crackdowns under the current administration, at least two of the people speaking in the park before we marched were clergy in Christian churches. They led the entire crowd in a prayer. They did fine.

I haven't personally encountered anyone openly proclaiming their Jewish faith at "blue hair" () protests, but there are multiple large Jewish activist groups founded in support of progressive causes who are active on the national stage. For instance, about 10 seconds of web search turned up: https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-college-protests-c94bb0cd246bcc692de86b76b9b2a8cf

Your belief about who would or would not be welcome in progressive causes is based on delusion and stereotype.

 

[graylshaped]

Lol the lengths you guys will go to to defend literal child killers is pretty fucking flabbergasting. Oh, did I hurt your feelings by not describing Biden’s eyes-wide-open support for the murder of hundreds of thousands of children as “reluctant”?

Fuck your feelings - you are defending deliberate perpetrators of the mass murder of children.

Go. Fuck. Yourself. And. Every. Other. Person. Who. Has. Defended. These. Morally. Bankrupt. Politicians.

EDIT: of course you will ignore the news that came out this morning showing the Biden Administration silencing his own State Department as they warned about famine in Gaza, because it “wasn’t a balanced picture”.

And I bet you are super upset about the Epstein files, (good!), but can’t find time to be bothered about a genocide of mostly children - that was a PRAGMATIC genocide, right?

Strong words.

Where, by the way, the fuck is your preferred candidate? And I'm still waiting for you to describe the semantic difference between a MAGA supporter's use of "leftist" and your chosen pejorative use of "centrist."

 

[Komarov]

US Citizen here - I have nothing to worry about...because I am legally here.

First they came for the...

And a certain person who was also legally there just happened to end up in a gulag in El Salvador.

If you think your "legally hereness" will protect you from a fascist government, go right ahead and FA. You'll FO soon enough.

 

[VividVerism]

US Citizen here - I have nothing to worry about...because I am legally here.

You're wrong. Very, very wrong.

ICE is enforcing our immigration laws by removing those who are not legally permitted to be here. Unfortunately, there are apparently many who cannot grasp this very simple concept.

This person got their privileges revoked by interfering with this process, the exact one that we voted on during the last election. None of this is a surprise. A better way to go about objecting to the enforcement of our laws is to win an election and a majority of mindshare, not get in the way of ICE agents doing their jobs and removing those who are not legally here.

Please see the previous SEVEN PAGES of discussion for posts addressing all of this.

 

[graylshaped]

You honestly think if I run into a crack house minutes before the DEA blowing a barn it’s protected free speech? OK

I would say if that's what you want to do, knock yourself out.

 

[AusPeter]

US Citizen here - I have nothing to worry about...because I am legally here.

ICE is enforcing our immigration laws by removing those who are not legally permitted to be here. Unfortunately, there are apparently many who cannot grasp this very simple concept.

This person got their privileges revoked by interfering with this process, the exact one that we voted on during the last election. None of this is a surprise. A better way to go about objecting to the enforcement of our laws is to win an election and a majority of mindshare, not get in the way of ICE agents doing their jobs and removing those who are not legally here.

Yes, they are removing people who are not here legally.

Except that they are doing that with:

• zero oversight
• breaking the law
• violence
• murder
• literal kidnapping.

What you seem incapable of grasping is that the people objecting to ICE are objecting to those points. They don't want the current administration behave as if the cruelty IS the point. There were no major protests when Biden and Obama were deporting people, because they were doing it within the bounds of the law.

You also seem happy that the current administration is capricious and vindictive in its day to day activities. That implies that you are happy with the government hurting people, as long as they're hurting the right sort of people (nudge, nudge, wink, wink). That sort of government behavior is not sustainable, and leads to things like Niemöller's poem.

 

[JohnDeL]

US Citizen here - I have nothing to worry about...because I am legally here.

Tell that to Renee Good and Alex Pretti and Geraldo Campos and ...

ICE is enforcing our immigration laws by removing those who are not legally permitted to be here.

Except that they are focusing on those who are going through asylum proceedings, which means that they are legally allowed to be here.

Unfortunately, there are apparently many who cannot grasp this very simple concept.

Looking in the mirror, are you?

 

[JohnDeL]

You honestly think if I run into a crack house minutes before the DEA blowing a horn it’s protected free speech? OK

If you stand outside the purported crack house and shout "DEA is here! DEA is here!", it is most definitely protected speech.

 

[carldjennings]

Calling your representatives ABSOLUTELY can do something.

My representative is a sniveling little boot licker of a Republican. He's a nepo-baby who's dad was a politician, and looks like he is going to cream his khaki's every time he gets to take a photo with police officers (it's gross). AND YET, he crossed the isle recently to vote with the Dems on something, in response to pressure from his more liberal constituents.

Context is, he won his seat by less than 3 percentage points, and likely only defeated his Democratic opponent because that guy got caught in a financial disclosure scandal. He wants to be re-elected, and the legendary swing in the generic D vs R prospects going on right now (something like +15 to the Dems) is making him quite responsive at times. He's still trying to do more to help the administration than to hinder it, but that he's crossed the isle AT ALL is telling.

More important than that is to get involved in organizing, and to donating to relevant causes. I've donated several hundred dollars at this point to different groups. Not the Dems (fuck those fake friends), but to some immigration groups that are trying to help folks get naturalized quickly and to keep folks with no record from being deported, and to some civil liberties groups that are helping to spring Americans who were wrongfully arrested, and to help get the BS charges dropped free of charge.

The rest is just to not let folks around you normalize this BS. I have had uncomfortable conversations with guys from work about the shootings in MN, for example, as a means to point out the flaws in the "just comply" rhetoric of the Right.

You're assuming that we'll have midterm elections, and that they won't be rigged.

 

[graylshaped]

US Citizen here - I have nothing to worry about...because I am legally here.

ICE is enforcing our immigration laws by removing those who are not legally permitted to be here. Unfortunately, there are apparently many who cannot grasp this very simple concept.

This person got their privileges revoked by interfering with this process, the exact one that we voted on during the last election. None of this is a surprise. A better way to go about objecting to the enforcement of our laws is to win an election and a majority of mindshare, not get in the way of ICE agents doing their jobs and removing those who are not legally here.

ICE has detained my mother-in-law, naturalized around forty years ago, twice for more than an hour, leaving an eighty year old woman sitting on a curb expecting to be zip-tied and shoved into a van, before releasing her with no explanation and no apology. Her daughter, born here and a lifelong resident, now carries her passport with her in case she is arrested for Living While Brown.

ICE is not doing what you falsely claim they are doing. ICE is using that as a pretext for normalizing the seditious belief that petitioning the government for redress deserves punitive retaliation.