Projectile vomiting adds thrust. A lesson that my youthful worship of the porcelain goddess taught me, unforgettably.I don't know, I think it would be a bad idea to do a lot of jumping if you're already sloshed.
You jest, but it is considered a possibility that the wreck may have actually been due to the simple failure to install the proper stop on the rail pre-launch, plus the failure to double check the install.maybe someone stole one of those...
That's not very typical, I'd like to make that point.
Is the flame trench inside or outside the environment?That's not very typical, I'd like to make that point.
Well, a rocket exhaust hit the launch pad.That's not very typical, I'd like to make that point.
The front falling off?That's not very typical, I'd like to make that point.
Was it outside the environment?Well, a rocket exhaust hit the launch pad.
It's in Khazakhstan, so as far as Moscow is concerned - outsideIs the flame trench inside or outside the environment?
It was engineered to the highest Russian maritime standards.That's not very typical, I'd like to make that point.
I’ve owned and driven a car with an automatic transmission that did not have a “Park” function, a 1955 DeSoto Firedome. You could also start it in (any) gear, so stationary operation was much like a manual transmission.Having never owned a vehicle with an automatic transmission, I can confidently say that I have not. Now, neutral... Yeah, that almost got bad.
Starship is not yet actually operational. Also, Progress is approximately the robotic equivalent of Soyuz (the spacecraft,) and similarly normally launches on Soyuz (the rocket.) It's not exactly an enormous payload.Can you squeeze a Progress inside the payload bay of an expendable Starship? Explosive bolts to remove the upper hull, and Bob's your uncle.
Considering they're launching every 8 months and will only be launching the vehicle until 2030... that's roughly 6 launches they still need this configuration for. So the most affordable configuration over this timeframe makes the most sense, whether that be 6 scaffolds, 2 scaffolds and a platform, scaling back the number of launches, or something else.Not to be facetious, but I don’t see a reason why a launch couldn’t be made from the pad using scaffold for the access, and accepting that it’s going to be destroyed and require post launch cleanup. There’s nothing valuable down there a scaffold pole could damage now that they’ve destroyed it all.
It’s not a long term solution but it could tide over 1 to 2 launches until a new service frame is fabricated and ready to install. Or a spare recovered and refurbished.
Edit: just to acknowledge its not great timing today to talk about destruction of scaffold, in case anyone is bothered by it.
It was about more than pure science; it was also science politics and scientific focus/funding. Of course, those are already significantly damaged at this point as well, so....JFC, can we just de-orbit the ISS and stop working with the Russians already? The ISS has cost well over $100 billion so far. That's over 10x the cost of the (horrendously expensive!) JWST, to produce a tiny, tiny fraction of the science.
There's another way to desaturate the gyros and that's to turn them off and do a flip.The problem isn't boosting the station, it's attitude control. The ISS uses gyros for most of its attitude control, but they need to be occasionally desaturated. And a mix of Progress and Zarya (or maybe Zvezda) are used for that. If Progress can't fly, they can't do it. So that leaves Zarya, but that needs to be refuelled, by Progress.....
"Do a barrel roll!"There's another way to desaturate the gyros and that's to turn them off and do a flip.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-propellant_maneuverI was just looking up some information on gyroscope desaturation and came across a reference to a Zero-Propellant Maneuver (there is a wikipedia page but I am unable to insert the link). It was tested on the ISS in 2006-2007.
Is that unusual?Well, a rocket exhaust hit the launch pad.
Or forgot to close the front door of a ferry before it set off...Let’s not get too judgy: Who among us not forgotten to put our car into “Park” before leaving it?
If they are unable to launch, that means abandoning the ISS sooner than planned.Oh shucky-darn, what a shame.
If they ask the US for money to get it working again, we should tell them to pound sand.
So next question, is there a port conveniently positioned that would let you thrust into it and provide the appropriate torque to the station?All a momentum dump supplies is a torque on the station to counter the torque generated by spinning down the gyros. If one can provide a vehicle to reboost the station by thrusting in the right direction through the stations CoM, then one likely can provide the requisite torque by firing thrusters NOT through the CoM. With clusters of thrusters positioned not directly in a line with the CoM, it really only should only requires varying the pulse duty cycle of some of them to get the job done.
For a time, SpaceX may also now be called upon to backstop Russia as well.
US node 1 has a nadir berthing port. If you want a centrally located craft, then stick a modified Cygnus there. Only potential downside is that thruster firings from there might impinge on Rassvet and any Soyuz docked there. (But that may be less of a problem if the Russians can’t launch anything).So next question, is there a port conveniently positioned that would let you thrust into it and provide the appropriate torque to the station?
Trying to put energy into the station from a docked vehicle via a docking ring in anything other than a pretty direct axial path sounds like galloping way out of spec for the loads/load vectors they're meant to handle. So if there wouldn't be a docking port in the correct position to provide the correct torque to the station, I don't see using a docked vessel to desaturate working.
Honestly if we're kludging together a one or very few time use 'solution' to get the station through until they either fix their shit, or just to 2030, a modified Dragon/Cygnus with the appropriate connecter to be able to refuel the Russian side is probably the technicaly simplest solution, just the pesky politics of paying for, building and flying such a mission to deal with...
Definitely no cardboard, or cardboard derivatives!It was engineered to the highest Russian maritime standards.
Sure, NASA compiled a whole article on this subject in 2020:Can someone name a few things of critical value the ISS has delivered that we're not advancing living in space. Please in the last 10-15 years of operation. I cannot think of anything ground breaking.
It handled the Nauka oopsie fine. These are small rockets movung a very big spacecraft.So next question, is there a port conveniently positioned that would let you thrust into it and provide the appropriate torque to the station?
Trying to put energy into the station from a docked vehicle via a docking ring in anything other than a pretty direct axial path sounds like galloping way out of spec for the loads/load vectors they're meant to handle. So if there wouldn't be a docking port in the correct position to provide the correct torque to the station, I don't see using a docked vessel to desaturate working.
Honestly if we're kludging together a one or very few time use 'solution' to get the station through until they either fix their shit, or just to 2030, a modified Dragon/Cygnus with the appropriate connecter to be able to refuel the Russian side is probably the technicaly simplest solution, just the pesky politics of paying for, building and flying such a mission to deal with...
Starship can't even get to orbit and explodes most of the time these days
I think you are greatly overestimating how much angular momentum it is that they need to dump. The 4 control moment gyros on the ISS only total up to 19,000 N-m-s. A single draco is 90 lb (400 N). With a 1.5 m moment arm it would produce a torque of 600 N-m, a couple of orders of magnitude under what IDSS can handle. At a 10% duty cycle it would take all of 5 min for one thruster to desaturate them. It would burn a grand total of 4 kg of propellant in the process. As I was trying to indicate, you could build this into a reboost, by introducing an asymmetry to the thruster firings. Instead of thrusting like normal through the CoM, they would intentionally fire offset from it and could induce whatever torque direction they like while reboosting.So next question, is there a port conveniently positioned that would let you thrust into it and provide the appropriate torque to the station?
Trying to put energy into the station from a docked vehicle via a docking ring in anything other than a pretty direct axial path sounds like galloping way out of spec for the loads/load vectors they're meant to handle. So if there wouldn't be a docking port in the correct position to provide the correct torque to the station, I don't see using a docked vessel to desaturate working.
Honestly if we're kludging together a one or very few time use 'solution' to get the station through until they either fix their shit, or just to 2030, a modified Dragon/Cygnus with the appropriate connecter to be able to refuel the Russian side is probably the technicaly simplest solution, just the pesky politics of paying for, building and flying such a mission to deal with...